From easternwindow at freenet.de Tue Dec 2 08:53:09 2008 From: easternwindow at freenet.de (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Thomas_K=F6hler?=) Date: Tue, 02 Dec 2008 14:53:09 +0100 Subject: [LEN-E] "Bergfilm" documentary on arte TV and some other things In-Reply-To: <63167F2F-EDA6-4F17-852E-F4D065A39A69@skynet.be> References: <990345.9598.qm@web65612.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> <63167F2F-EDA6-4F17-852E-F4D065A39A69@skynet.be> Message-ID: <49353DC5.80904@freenet.de> Hi all, I just want to tell you that arte TV are showing a new documentary on the history of the German mountain film on Thursday, December 4, at 11 p.m. (23 o'clock). Should be available via satellite in most Central European countries. The description in my TV journal sounds interesting: they will show very rare documentary material from 1901, and of course Fanck, Trenker and Leni will feature prominently. It seems the reason for this documentary is a new mountain film called "Nordwand" about the first climbing of the Eiger. Another thing that comes to my mind in this respect is a 1921 film by the great Erich von Stroheim called "Blind Husbands", which I watched recently. Though this is not strictly speaking a mountain climbing film in the Fanck sense, it is at least set in the Alps and prominently features a both sarcastic and melodramatic plot in which two men struggle for the same woman with a lot of plot points that actually reminded me VERY MUCH of "The Holy Mountain". I wonder whether Arnold Fanck had seen this and got some inspiration out of it. In any case, it's visually striking and should be well worth seeing. There's a brilliant edition of the longer Austrian cut with German intertitles (optional English subs are available) from the fabulous Edition Filmmuseum. Look here: http://www.edition-filmmuseum.com/product_info.php/info/p11_Blind-Husbands--Die-Rache-der-Berge-.html Also, coming back to Leni: I spotted some footage from "Triumph" in a not all too important British war effort film from 1939 called "The Lion has wings", directed however by (among others) Michael Powell, one of my all-time favourite directors. The film is interesting in any case for those interested in the art of the propaganda film, especially because that British wartime propaganda worked in a quite different way apparently than the German. The Leni footage appears at the beginning as an example about how a once peaceful people were transformed into a joyless and dangerous enemy (contrasted with the optimistic British here). "The Lion has Wings" was recently released on DVD as a bonus film on the Criterion Collection's edition of Powell's "The Thief of Bagdad" (1940), and even if you don't care for the Lion, don't miss the Thief. It's one of the most charming and endlessly entertaining early Technicolor extravaganzas, starring amongst others Conrad Veidt as the evil Jaffar and the young Sabu as the thief, and has still some completely exciting special fx. I guess watching again will bring back fond childhood memories to many of you. More here: http://www.criterion.com/films/544 Finally, about that "Wege" release Luc mentioned: is that a dvd or a VHS, and is it an official release or some low-quality bootled? I don't recall having heard anything about it before. Best Thomas From luc.deneulin at skynet.be Tue Dec 2 14:03:50 2008 From: luc.deneulin at skynet.be (Luc Deneulin) Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2008 20:03:50 +0100 Subject: [LEN-E] "Bergfilm" documentary on arte TV and some other things In-Reply-To: <49353DC5.80904@freenet.de> References: <990345.9598.qm@web65612.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> <63167F2F-EDA6-4F17-852E-F4D065A39A69@skynet.be> <49353DC5.80904@freenet.de> Message-ID: <36794FC2-8026-4E0A-A457-F6B8B0553835@skynet.be> Thanks for the info Thomas. as for Der Heilige Berg, Fanck took his plot from a novel by G. Renker, as he announced pubicly in 1925 and later. Riefenstahl's Das blaue Licht is also based on a story by Renker biut she mostly said that it was a dream, a dance of hers, etc at least an original Riefenstahl idea. Fanck asked her to read Renker) On 02 Dec 2008, at 14:53, Thomas K?hler wrote: > Hi all, > From luc.deneulin at skynet.be Tue Dec 2 18:19:05 2008 From: luc.deneulin at skynet.be (Luc Deneulin) Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2008 00:19:05 +0100 Subject: [LEN-E] "Bergfilm" documentary on arte TV and some other things In-Reply-To: <49353DC5.80904@freenet.de> References: <990345.9598.qm@web65612.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> <63167F2F-EDA6-4F17-852E-F4D065A39A69@skynet.be> <49353DC5.80904@freenet.de> Message-ID: > Hi Thomas, A&M sells a DVD of Wege that is fair. (see ebay). They > were the ones who releaded the "complete'" version of Der Sieg des > Glaubens > > Finally, about that "Wege" release Luc mentioned: is that a dvd or a > VHS, and is it an official release or some low-quality bootled? I > don't recall having heard anything about it before. > > Best > Thomas > > > _______________________________________________ > NOTE 1: PLEASE TRIM THE QUOTED PORTION(S) OF YOUR REPLIES! > NOTE 2: IF YOU CHANGE TOPIC, CHANGE THE SUBJECT HEADING! > List Info: http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/len-e/ > Your List Options: http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/options/len-e/ > List Archives: http://four.pairlist.net/pipermail/len-e/ > To Unsubscribe: mailto:len-e-request at riefenstahl.org?subject=unsubscribe From ron at psymon.com Tue Dec 2 21:14:10 2008 From: ron at psymon.com (Ron Koster) Date: Tue, 02 Dec 2008 21:14:10 -0500 Subject: [LEN-E] "Bergfilm" documentary on arte TV and some other things In-Reply-To: <49353DC5.80904@freenet.de> References: <990345.9598.qm@web65612.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> <63167F2F-EDA6-4F17-852E-F4D065A39A69@skynet.be> <49353DC5.80904@freenet.de> Message-ID: <20081203021210.EAB552BCE0@mailwash40.pair.com> Hi folks! Nice to see a little activity here on the list again -- it's been some time! ;) At 02:53 PM 02/12/2008 +0100, Thomas K?hler wrote: >"The Lion has Wings" was recently released on >DVD as a bonus film on the Criterion >Collection's edition of Powell's "The Thief of >Bagdad" (1940), and even if you don't care for >the Lion, don't miss the Thief. It's one of the >most charming and endlessly entertaining early >Technicolor extravaganzas, starring amongst >others Conrad Veidt as the evil Jaffar and the >young Sabu as the thief, and has still some >completely exciting special fx. I guess watching >again will bring back fond childhood memories to >many of you. More here: http://www.criterion.com/films/544 Actually, talk about coincidence! For anyone here in North America (in the US or Canada, at least), if you get the Turner Classic Movie (TCM) channel, then it's airing tomorrow (Wednesday) afternoon, at 2:15pm! Not the other film you mentioned ("The Lion Has Wings"), though -- but still, I do look forward to seeing "The Thief of Bagdad" again (first time since childhood, as you said!). :) >Finally, about that "Wege" release Luc >mentioned: is that a dvd or a VHS, and is it an >official release or some low-quality bootled? I >don't recall having heard anything about it before. In a way, it's all of the above -- and none of the above! It is a DVD, but the quality of the film-to-video transfer is, unfortunately, worse than VHS. :/ And it's not an "official" release, but neither is it a bootleg, really -- I guess it depends on one's perspective. In the US, copyright laws aren't very strict (compared to Europe and elsewhere), and so *technically* it's now in the public domain there. As such, the people that produced this DVD basically somehow/somewhere managed to screen (and capture) a copy of the film -- perhaps from the Library of Congress (I don't know)??? -- and then came out with the DVD. This is, of course, rather a problem in the US -- there are many people who have managed to get very poor quality versions of older films (including several of Leni's early mountain films, not to mention Triumph and Olympia) which are "technically" in the public domain in the US, and so they just pump out copy after copy and make a fortune on eBay -- all the while thoroughly disappointing customers who deserve better (and, in many cases, who could easily find much higher quality versions through the legitimate "official" releases). Ron :/ From easternwindow at freenet.de Wed Dec 3 07:45:43 2008 From: easternwindow at freenet.de (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Thomas_K=F6hler?=) Date: Wed, 03 Dec 2008 13:45:43 +0100 Subject: [LEN-E] "Bergfilm" documentary on arte TV and some other things In-Reply-To: <20081203021210.EAB552BCE0@mailwash40.pair.com> References: <990345.9598.qm@web65612.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> <63167F2F-EDA6-4F17-852E-F4D065A39A69@skynet.be> <49353DC5.80904@freenet.de> <20081203021210.EAB552BCE0@mailwash40.pair.com> Message-ID: <49367F77.1030209@freenet.de> Hi all, thanks to you, Luc and Ron, for the info on the "Wege" disc. I suspected something like that. And Ron is completely right about the public domain situation in the US, of course. There are two sides to this, as always. On the one hand it's perfectly legitimate and a good thing to release an unknown old film on disc even if the source materials are not in best condition and often in such cases come from 16mm or even 8mm amateur prints (or worse: third generation video copies of such prints). There are a lot of silent film labels in the US who do this and thus at least make some of those rare gems available. The question is only what they charge for it, and here's where my difficulties start, especially if you consider ebay. In fact, these sellers often make a fortune from material that nobody would find even close to acceptable with 'normal' films. I have seen such public domain discs which looked like they were ripped from youtube or something. So in other words: many of these silent public domain films are indeed available for free and completely legal download somewhere on the net, and I'd advise to look at archive.org or indeed youtube first before paying these sellers large sums. Haven't checked for "Wege" yet, though. Best Thomas > From JOHN007 at prodigy.net Wed Dec 3 08:41:40 2008 From: JOHN007 at prodigy.net (John) Date: Wed, 03 Dec 2008 08:41:40 -0500 Subject: [LEN-E] "Bergfilm" documentary on arte TV and some other things In-Reply-To: <49353DC5.80904@freenet.de> References: <990345.9598.qm@web65612.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> <63167F2F-EDA6-4F17-852E-F4D065A39A69@skynet.be> <49353DC5.80904@freenet.de> Message-ID: <49368C94.70402@prodigy.net> > arte TV are showing a new documentary on the history of the >German mountain film on Thursday, December 4, at 11 p.m. (23 o'clock). >Should be available via satellite in most Central European countries. >The description in my TV journal sounds interesting Thomas, please forgive my boldness in asking this, but is there any chance that you could record this to DVD and share it with others in this group? I'm a member of several other discussion groups (on other subjects) and often when a rare TV special comes on about the topic, one member will capture it and send it to another member who will take addresses and make up a "round-robin" list. Then, the disc is sent around to any interested members who then make themselves a copy and then send it to the next person on the list. It works suprisingingly well. Even though I don't speak much German, I'd be most interested in seeing the visuals on this TV special, and I can play PAL discs. Again, please forgive my forwardness in asking. I'm in the USA and very often European documentary TV specials (especially ones on such niche subjects as the bergfilm!) never make it to the US and into English translations.... so I just thought I'd ask. :-) Thanks, John From easternwindow at freenet.de Wed Dec 3 10:39:27 2008 From: easternwindow at freenet.de (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Thomas_K=F6hler?=) Date: Wed, 03 Dec 2008 16:39:27 +0100 Subject: [LEN-E] "Bergfilm" documentary on arte TV and some other things In-Reply-To: <49368C94.70402@prodigy.net> References: <990345.9598.qm@web65612.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> <63167F2F-EDA6-4F17-852E-F4D065A39A69@skynet.be> <49353DC5.80904@freenet.de> <49368C94.70402@prodigy.net> Message-ID: <4936A82F.7060703@freenet.de> John, no problem, this sounds like a good idea for now and for the future. Perhaps any member interested in seeing the docu should send a quick mail to the list, but make sure indeed you can play PAL discs, otherwise it's no use (unless someone else can transfer it to NTSC), so that we know how many there are and especially where they live (it wouldn't be clever if we send the thing to and fro over half the globe all the time). Oh, and here's the official arte announcement for the film: http://www.arte.tv/de/Willkommen/woche/244,broadcastingNum=911932,day=6,week=49,year=2008.html It's directed by Panitz and Matthias Fanck!! Best Thomas > From roelvanderlist at home.nl Wed Dec 3 11:19:40 2008 From: roelvanderlist at home.nl (Roel van der List) Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2008 17:19:40 +0100 Subject: [LEN-E] "Bergfilm" documentary on arte TV and some other things In-Reply-To: <4936A82F.7060703@freenet.de> References: <990345.9598.qm@web65612.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> <63167F2F-EDA6-4F17-852E-F4D065A39A69@skynet.be> <49353DC5.80904@freenet.de> <49368C94.70402@prodigy.net> <4936A82F.7060703@freenet.de> Message-ID: <8B236105-DA2D-4E2F-ACF5-171B09C9C18D@home.nl> Hi, if needed, I can provide PAL/NTSC conversion. Greetings, Roel van der List Op 3-dec-2008, om 16:39 heeft Thomas K?hler het volgende geschreven: > John, > > no problem, this sounds like a good idea for now and for the > future. Perhaps any member interested in seeing the docu should > send a quick mail to the list, but make sure indeed you can play > PAL discs, otherwise it's no use (unless someone else can transfer > it to NTSC), so that we know how many there are and especially > where they live (it wouldn't be clever if we send the thing to and > fro over half the globe all the time). > > Oh, and here's the official arte announcement for the film: > http://www.arte.tv/de/Willkommen/woche/ > 244,broadcastingNum=911932,day=6,week=49,year=2008.html > > It's directed by Panitz and Matthias Fanck!! > > Best > Thomas > > >> > _______________________________________________ > NOTE 1: PLEASE TRIM THE QUOTED PORTION(S) OF YOUR REPLIES! > NOTE 2: IF YOU CHANGE TOPIC, CHANGE THE SUBJECT HEADING! > List Info: http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/len-e/ > Your List Options: http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/options/len-e/ > List Archives: http://four.pairlist.net/pipermail/len-e/ > To Unsubscribe: mailto:len-e-request at riefenstahl.org? > subject=unsubscribe From luc.deneulin at skynet.be Thu Dec 4 05:30:14 2008 From: luc.deneulin at skynet.be (Luc Deneulin) Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2008 11:30:14 +0100 Subject: [LEN-E] "Bergfilm" documentary on arte TV and some other things In-Reply-To: <20081203021210.EAB552BCE0@mailwash40.pair.com> References: <990345.9598.qm@web65612.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> <63167F2F-EDA6-4F17-852E-F4D065A39A69@skynet.be> <49353DC5.80904@freenet.de> <20081203021210.EAB552BCE0@mailwash40.pair.com> Message-ID: <06AA73E3-0620-41B0-A142-B4AE10A2FA23@skynet.be> > Dear Ron, I think you got your copy from D. Calvert Smith. A&M sells > a better quality copy! > >> Finally, about that "Wege" release Luc mentioned: is that a dvd or >> a VHS, and is it an official release or some low-quality bootled? I >> don't recall having heard anything about it before. > From luc.deneulin at skynet.be Fri Dec 5 15:01:47 2008 From: luc.deneulin at skynet.be (Luc Deneulin) Date: Fri, 5 Dec 2008 21:01:47 +0100 Subject: [LEN-E] "Bergfilm" documentary on arte TV and some other things In-Reply-To: <4936A82F.7060703@freenet.de> References: <990345.9598.qm@web65612.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> <63167F2F-EDA6-4F17-852E-F4D065A39A69@skynet.be> <49353DC5.80904@freenet.de> <49368C94.70402@prodigy.net> <4936A82F.7060703@freenet.de> Message-ID: Hi I wonder if anyone has a copy of the Arte documentary from Thursday, I couldn't record it. Please contact me - I will pay for all the costs of course Thanks Luc Deneulin From JOHN007 at prodigy.net Fri Dec 5 15:23:30 2008 From: JOHN007 at prodigy.net (John) Date: Fri, 05 Dec 2008 15:23:30 -0500 Subject: [LEN-E] "Bergfilm" documentary on arte TV and some other things In-Reply-To: <4936A82F.7060703@freenet.de> References: <990345.9598.qm@web65612.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> <63167F2F-EDA6-4F17-852E-F4D065A39A69@skynet.be> <49353DC5.80904@freenet.de> <49368C94.70402@prodigy.net> <4936A82F.7060703@freenet.de> Message-ID: <49398DC2.3000004@prodigy.net> > John, > no problem, this sounds like a good idea for now and for the future. >Perhaps any member interested in seeing the docu should send a quick mail to the list Thanks so much, Thomas! I will be very excited to see this documentary! I would be glad to coordinate a sharing list if there is enough interest to need a list ... or help in any other way. Let me know when you're ready and I'll send you my address (I'm in the USA). I'll be glad to cover postage and disc costs, of course. :-) Thanks again, John From ron at psymon.com Fri Dec 5 16:25:35 2008 From: ron at psymon.com (Ron Koster) Date: Fri, 05 Dec 2008 16:25:35 -0500 Subject: [LEN-E] Violating copyright In-Reply-To: <4936A82F.7060703@freenet.de> References: <990345.9598.qm@web65612.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> <63167F2F-EDA6-4F17-852E-F4D065A39A69@skynet.be> <49353DC5.80904@freenet.de> <49368C94.70402@prodigy.net> <4936A82F.7060703@freenet.de> Message-ID: <20081205212554.35E832BCA4@mailwash40.pair.com> IMPORTANT NOTICE... At 04:39 PM 03/12/2008 +0100, Thomas K?hler wrote: >no problem, this sounds like a good idea for now and for the future. I should have responded to this sooner, but actually no, it doesn't sound like a good idea -- not for this list, anyway. I do understand that "other" people do it on "other" lists -- indeed, I've been on lists where people not only advocated and actively shared not only videos, but also bootleg software (including stuff like Adobe Photoshop and Adobe Premiere, worth in the hundreds, if not thousands of dollars), and mysteriously nobody has ever come knocking at their door to take them away, impose extremely heavy fines and/or jail terms... let alone simply shut down their lists -- but I'm afraid that I can't allow this here on this list (and I'm list owner, so I get to say so). ;) Sorry everyone, I can certainly understand people wanting to be able to see things that otherwise aren't available, but this list has already been shut down without notice once before (back when it was hosted with YahooGroups) for the reason that it "violated the rights of others" -- with that obscure explanation being the only explanation ever given to me -- and I/we don't need to see that happen again, let alone do I, as list owner (and legally responsible for what happens on this list) need to end up in court because others want to "share" copyrighted material, which would probably also include having my whole web site shut down for good (and who knows what else). The subject matter of this list (Leni Riefenstahl) already invites itself to be a target, simply because there are many people (ignoramuses) who "hate Leni" for purely presumptuous, biased, often ridiculous and even hypocritical reasons -- let's not give them a genuine, legal reason to hate all of us, too, simply for our desire to pursue an intellectual, scholarly approach to studying her life/films. Okey-dokey? On that note, I do still strongly encourage everyone to notify us all if/when there's a relevant show coming up on TV or something -- there's no harm (and only good) in that, of course -- but if you want to arrange to have a "bootleg" copy made for yourself, please take it *off* list. And then you'll be legally responsible if they catch you, of course. ;) But seriously, on this list DO NOT advocate or request the copying/sharing of copyrighted material, or advertise the availability of such via your own site. If anyone does so in the future, they will be *immediately* put on moderated status (i.e. any/all future messages will have to be approved by me first), OR simply immediately thrown off the list for good (depending on the severity of the offense), at my discretion. Sorry to be a meanie, but hey, put yourself in my shoes -- never mind the fact that I'm sure everyone here would like to see this list continue without problems (legal or otherwise). Ron :) Woof?... http://www.Psymon.com Ach, du Leni!... http://www.Riefenstahl.org Hmm... http://www.Imaginary-Friend.ca From easternwindow at freenet.de Fri Dec 5 16:42:02 2008 From: easternwindow at freenet.de (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Thomas_K=F6hler?=) Date: Fri, 05 Dec 2008 22:42:02 +0100 Subject: [LEN-E] "Bergfilm" documentary on arte TV and some other things In-Reply-To: <49398DC2.3000004@prodigy.net> References: <990345.9598.qm@web65612.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> <63167F2F-EDA6-4F17-852E-F4D065A39A69@skynet.be> <49353DC5.80904@freenet.de> <49368C94.70402@prodigy.net> <4936A82F.7060703@freenet.de> <49398DC2.3000004@prodigy.net> Message-ID: <4939A02A.3080008@freenet.de> Don't worry folks, I have a copy, though I haven't watched it yet. If anyone wants to share the trade with Luc, John and me, say so. For those who can't wait, can't play PAL discs or have any other reason to abstain: you can also watch it online for the next seven days at the arte site: http://plus7.arte.tv/de/detailPage/1697660,CmC=2329174,scheduleId=2300200.html Best Thomas > From easternwindow at freenet.de Fri Dec 5 16:44:24 2008 From: easternwindow at freenet.de (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Thomas_K=F6hler?=) Date: Fri, 05 Dec 2008 22:44:24 +0100 Subject: [LEN-E] "Bergfilm" documentary on arte TV and some other things In-Reply-To: <4939A02A.3080008@freenet.de> References: <990345.9598.qm@web65612.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> <63167F2F-EDA6-4F17-852E-F4D065A39A69@skynet.be> <49353DC5.80904@freenet.de> <49368C94.70402@prodigy.net> <4936A82F.7060703@freenet.de> <49398DC2.3000004@prodigy.net> <4939A02A.3080008@freenet.de> Message-ID: <4939A0B8.6040601@freenet.de> Sorry Ron, our mails crossed. You may have a point with that copyright notice, hmmm...... I suggest to everyone to watch it online, then, for the moment! Best Thomas > From ron at psymon.com Fri Dec 5 16:56:28 2008 From: ron at psymon.com (Ron Koster) Date: Fri, 05 Dec 2008 16:56:28 -0500 Subject: [LEN-E] "Bergfilm" documentary on arte TV and some other things In-Reply-To: <4939A0B8.6040601@freenet.de> References: <990345.9598.qm@web65612.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> <63167F2F-EDA6-4F17-852E-F4D065A39A69@skynet.be> <49353DC5.80904@freenet.de> <49368C94.70402@prodigy.net> <4936A82F.7060703@freenet.de> <49398DC2.3000004@prodigy.net> <4939A02A.3080008@freenet.de> <4939A0B8.6040601@freenet.de> Message-ID: <20081205215655.8F4A72BCCC@mailwash40.pair.com> At 10:44 PM 05/12/2008 +0100, Thomas K?hler wrote: >Sorry Ron, >our mails crossed. No problem, I understand. >You may have a point with that copyright notice, hmmm...... Oh, as someone who has had to go after numerous people who "stole" my artwork off my sites (and, in some cases, even went and sold it for their own profit on eBay!), I can totally understand and sympathize with anyone whose intellectual property rights have been infringed upon. In that regard, any time any individual list member *publicly* makes available copyrighted ("bootleg") material, they're opening themselves up to a knock on the door from law enforcement and/or a civil lawsuit from the copyright owner themselves. And with this being "my" list (so to speak), I'm also legally responsible for what I allow to go on here, too. Again, I do hate to be a meanie about it, but if any of you see that happening on other lists (let alone publicly taking part in it), you might want to keep that in mind: each time you publicly offer up "bootleg" material, you're leaving a *PERMANENT* trail of your criminal activity, which could very well come back to haunt you any time, any day, even years or decades from now. Caveat Particeps -- sharer beware! Ron ;) From JOHN007 at prodigy.net Fri Dec 5 21:15:50 2008 From: JOHN007 at prodigy.net (JOHN007 at prodigy.net) Date: Sat, 06 Dec 2008 02:15:50 +0000 Subject: [LEN-E] "Bergfilm" documentary on arte TV and some other things In-Reply-To: <4939A0B8.6040601@freenet.de> References: <990345.9598.qm@web65612.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> <63167F2F-EDA6-4F17-852E-F4D065A39A69@skynet.be> <49353DC5.80904@freenet.de> <49368C94.70402@prodigy.net> <4936A82F.7060703@freenet.de> <49398DC2.3000004@prodigy.net><4939A02A.3080008@freenet.de> <4939A0B8.6040601@freenet.de> Message-ID: <120620080215.13499.4939E056000DF078000034BB22218865869B0A02D29709070B019D9FBFC9CFCFB2B8B1B6@att.net> Yes, Ron, you make an excellent point, so... point taken. :-) The other groups to which I referred are hobbyist groups for Old Time Radio programs from many decades ago which are generally believed to be in public domain. (I've never heard of sharing computer programs, as you mentioned! That's pretty brazen!). But you're right. There is a difference when it is a current program (under copyrght). So we'll just content ourselves with checking out the online offering. John From ron at psymon.com Mon Dec 22 16:46:03 2008 From: ron at psymon.com (Ron Koster) Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2008 16:46:03 -0500 Subject: [LEN-E] Olympia... another one! Message-ID: <20081222214353.E5EF62BCDB@mailwash40.pair.com> Hi everyone! I got a notice from amazon.com today saying that there's a new edition of Olympia out on DVD (a "2 Disc Special Edition")... http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B001NFTPX4/ No doubt it's yet another bootleg version, of course (and perhaps even the same version/quality as the Pathfinder version???), but I thought I'd mention it anyway. Happy, happy holidays to everyone here, no matter what tradition(s) you follow (or not!). Ron :) Woof?... http://www.Psymon.com Ach, du Leni!... http://www.Riefenstahl.org Hmm... http://www.Imaginary-Friend.ca From len-e at nhaysom.com Mon Dec 22 17:27:28 2008 From: len-e at nhaysom.com (Nick Haysom) Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2008 22:27:28 -0000 Subject: [LEN-E] Olympia... another one! In-Reply-To: <20081222214353.E5EF62BCDB@mailwash40.pair.com> References: <20081222214353.E5EF62BCDB@mailwash40.pair.com> Message-ID: <3CC0673D47D94EB287485A2E2A68E798@IQON> Thanks for the tip but I can't see from the listing what's so special about it, in fact quite the opposite going by this: This product is manufactured on demand using DVD-R recordable media. Amazon.com's standard return policy will apply. What's that about then? Nick ----- Original Message ----- From: Ron Koster To: LEN-E Discussion List Sent: Monday, December 22, 2008 9:46 PM Subject: [LEN-E] Olympia... another one! Hi everyone! I got a notice from amazon.com today saying that there's a new edition of Olympia out on DVD (a "2 Disc Special Edition")... http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B001NFTPX4/ No doubt it's yet another bootleg version, of course (and perhaps even the same version/quality as the Pathfinder version???), but I thought I'd mention it anyway. Happy, happy holidays to everyone here, no matter what tradition(s) you follow (or not!). Ron :) Woof?... http://www.Psymon.com Ach, du Leni!... http://www.Riefenstahl.org Hmm... http://www.Imaginary-Friend.ca _______________________________________________ NOTE 1: PLEASE TRIM THE QUOTED PORTION(S) OF YOUR REPLIES! NOTE 2: IF YOU CHANGE TOPIC, CHANGE THE SUBJECT HEADING! List Info: http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/len-e/ Your List Options: http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/options/len-e/ List Archives: http://four.pairlist.net/pipermail/len-e/ To Unsubscribe: mailto:len-e-request at riefenstahl.org?subject=unsubscribe From ron at psymon.com Mon Dec 22 17:42:20 2008 From: ron at psymon.com (Ron Koster) Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2008 17:42:20 -0500 Subject: [LEN-E] Olympia... another one! In-Reply-To: <3CC0673D47D94EB287485A2E2A68E798@IQON> References: <20081222214353.E5EF62BCDB@mailwash40.pair.com> <3CC0673D47D94EB287485A2E2A68E798@IQON> Message-ID: <20081222224021.1EF282BD4D@mailwash40.pair.com> At 10:27 PM 12/22/2008 +0000, Nick Haysom wrote: >This product is manufactured on demand using DVD-R recordable media. >Amazon.com's standard return policy will apply. > >What's that about then? Oh, I meant to mention that, actually. I could be wrong, but as far as I know, "manufactured on demand using DVD-R recordable media" means that it's not a *pressed* disc (like DVDs, etc. should be), but rather it's a disc that this seller/manufacturer *burns*, one at a time (as far as demand necessitates), basically the same as one would on a home computer. That's my impression, anyway -- so if anyone does decide to buy one of these, don't be surprised if that's what you get: a disc that says "Sony" or "Maxell" (or whatever) on it, not a genuinely pressed disc with nice artwork, etc. Like I said before, no doubt this is just another bootleg version, and probably not worth the expense, but in any case I thought I'd mention it's existence, at least, just "for the record". Ron ;) From luc.deneulin at skynet.be Mon Dec 22 18:40:09 2008 From: luc.deneulin at skynet.be (Luc Deneulin) Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2008 00:40:09 +0100 Subject: [LEN-E] Olympia... another one! In-Reply-To: <20081222224021.1EF282BD4D@mailwash40.pair.com> References: <20081222214353.E5EF62BCDB@mailwash40.pair.com> <3CC0673D47D94EB287485A2E2A68E798@IQON> <20081222224021.1EF282BD4D@mailwash40.pair.com> Message-ID: A really historical version, that is amongst others with the right order of sequenses and 4 hours long, will be released end of next year. It contains also much more of Hitler than in eg the Arte version. On 22 Dec 2008, at 23:42, Ron Koster wrote: > From len-e at nhaysom.com Tue Dec 23 15:41:44 2008 From: len-e at nhaysom.com (Nick Haysom) Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2008 20:41:44 -0000 Subject: [LEN-E] Olympia... another one! In-Reply-To: <20081222224021.1EF282BD4D@mailwash40.pair.com> References: <20081222214353.E5EF62BCDB@mailwash40.pair.com><3CC0673D47D94EB287485A2E2A68E798@IQON> <20081222224021.1EF282BD4D@mailwash40.pair.com> Message-ID: <2D2F6B4C896F43019903F1EF0015F25A@IQON> What's odd tho' is that it is being sold by Amazon themselves (apparently) - it's not a Marketplace item. That seems downright peculiar. In fact the copy listed on the Marketplace is confusingly described as "SHRINK WRAPPED NEW! Amazon Return Policy Applies. READ PRODUCT DESCRIPTION." and is only $15 so presumably not the same release?! Talk about curiouser and curiouser: "Olympia by Leni Riefenstahl (2 Disc Special Edition) Remastered 1938" Wow, Leni was ahead of her time! Anyway, don't think I'll be ordering it all the same... Nick ----- Original Message ----- From: Ron Koster To: Discussion forum about the life and work of Leni Riefenstahl Sent: Monday, December 22, 2008 10:42 PM Subject: Re: [LEN-E] Olympia... another one! At 10:27 PM 12/22/2008 +0000, Nick Haysom wrote: >This product is manufactured on demand using DVD-R recordable media. >Amazon.com's standard return policy will apply. > >What's that about then? Oh, I meant to mention that, actually. I could be wrong, but as far as I know, "manufactured on demand using DVD-R recordable media" means that it's not a *pressed* disc (like DVDs, etc. should be), but rather it's a disc that this seller/manufacturer *burns*, one at a time (as far as demand necessitates), basically the same as one would on a home computer. That's my impression, anyway -- so if anyone does decide to buy one of these, don't be surprised if that's what you get: a disc that says "Sony" or "Maxell" (or whatever) on it, not a genuinely pressed disc with nice artwork, etc. Like I said before, no doubt this is just another bootleg version, and probably not worth the expense, but in any case I thought I'd mention it's existence, at least, just "for the record". Ron ;) _______________________________________________ NOTE 1: PLEASE TRIM THE QUOTED PORTION(S) OF YOUR REPLIES! NOTE 2: IF YOU CHANGE TOPIC, CHANGE THE SUBJECT HEADING! List Info: http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/len-e/ Your List Options: http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/options/len-e/ List Archives: http://four.pairlist.net/pipermail/len-e/ To Unsubscribe: mailto:len-e-request at riefenstahl.org?subject=unsubscribe From len-e at nhaysom.com Tue Dec 23 15:43:16 2008 From: len-e at nhaysom.com (Nick Haysom) Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2008 20:43:16 -0000 Subject: [LEN-E] Olympia... another one! In-Reply-To: References: <20081222214353.E5EF62BCDB@mailwash40.pair.com><3CC0673D47D94EB287485A2E2A68E798@IQON><20081222224021.1EF282BD4D@mailwash40.pair.com> Message-ID: <90D4A39D5D5746BFA94103083E281A96@IQON> Really? Tell us more... Nick ----- Original Message ----- From: Luc Deneulin To: Discussion forum about the life and work of Leni Riefenstahl Sent: Monday, December 22, 2008 11:40 PM Subject: Re: [LEN-E] Olympia... another one! A really historical version, that is amongst others with the right order of sequenses and 4 hours long, will be released end of next year. It contains also much more of Hitler than in eg the Arte version. On 22 Dec 2008, at 23:42, Ron Koster wrote: > _______________________________________________ NOTE 1: PLEASE TRIM THE QUOTED PORTION(S) OF YOUR REPLIES! NOTE 2: IF YOU CHANGE TOPIC, CHANGE THE SUBJECT HEADING! List Info: http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/len-e/ Your List Options: http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/options/len-e/ List Archives: http://four.pairlist.net/pipermail/len-e/ To Unsubscribe: mailto:len-e-request at riefenstahl.org?subject=unsubscribe From euthymios2003 at yahoo.com Tue Dec 23 15:58:15 2008 From: euthymios2003 at yahoo.com (Euthymios Marston) Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2008 12:58:15 -0800 (PST) Subject: [LEN-E] Olympia... another one! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <658802.47619.qm@web33105.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I have seen the film, "Olympia."? I was able to borrow it from either the BPL or the Minuteman Library systems.? You can also get copies of "Triumph of the Will" and of "Das Blaue [sp.?} Licht" from the same source(s).? I did. ????????? The new edition you refer to, has footage omitted from the one referred to above?! --- On Mon, 12/22/08, Luc Deneulin wrote: From: Luc Deneulin Subject: Re: [LEN-E] Olympia... another one! To: "Discussion forum about the life and work of Leni Riefenstahl" Date: Monday, December 22, 2008, 6:40 PM A really historical version, that is amongst others with the right order of sequenses and 4 hours long, will be released end of next year. It contains also much more of Hitler than in eg the Arte version. On 22 Dec 2008, at 23:42, Ron Koster wrote: > _______________________________________________ NOTE 1: PLEASE TRIM THE QUOTED PORTION(S) OF YOUR REPLIES! NOTE 2: IF YOU CHANGE TOPIC, CHANGE THE SUBJECT HEADING! List Info: http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/len-e/ Your List Options: http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/options/len-e/ List Archives: http://four.pairlist.net/pipermail/len-e/ To Unsubscribe: mailto:len-e-request at riefenstahl.org?subject=unsubscribe From ron at psymon.com Tue Dec 23 16:15:52 2008 From: ron at psymon.com (Ron Koster) Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2008 16:15:52 -0500 Subject: [LEN-E] Reminder... Message-ID: <20081223211304.843022BCBE@mailwash40.pair.com> Just a friendly reminder, folks, to please trim the quoted portions of your posts (i.e. the parts that you're quoting from whomever's previous post you're responding to)! Not doing so really does make a mess of the digest versions, especially (if not individual messages as well). Note the note in the footer (below) of all list messages, of course! Thanks (on behalf of everyone)! Ron ;) Woof?... http://www.Psymon.com Ach, du Leni!... http://www.Riefenstahl.org Hmm... http://www.Imaginary-Friend.ca From luc.deneulin at skynet.be Tue Dec 23 22:00:35 2008 From: luc.deneulin at skynet.be (Luc Deneulin) Date: Wed, 24 Dec 2008 04:00:35 +0100 Subject: [LEN-E] Olympia... another one! In-Reply-To: <90D4A39D5D5746BFA94103083E281A96@IQON> References: <20081222214353.E5EF62BCDB@mailwash40.pair.com><3CC0673D47D94EB287485A2E2A68E798@IQON><20081222224021.1EF282BD4D@mailwash40.pair.com> <90D4A39D5D5746BFA94103083E281A96@IQON> Message-ID: <98183BAF-73CC-4F38-815F-0D6A81904941@skynet.be> I think Criterion will come up with something in 2009 or 2010 On 23 Dec 2008, at 21:43, Nick Haysom wrote: > Really? Tell us more... > > Nick > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Luc Deneulin > To: Discussion forum about the life and work of Leni Riefenstahl > Sent: Monday, December 22, 2008 11:40 PM > Subject: Re: [LEN-E] Olympia... another one! > > From luc.deneulin at skynet.be Tue Dec 23 22:02:50 2008 From: luc.deneulin at skynet.be (Luc Deneulin) Date: Wed, 24 Dec 2008 04:02:50 +0100 Subject: [LEN-E] Olympia... another one! In-Reply-To: <658802.47619.qm@web33105.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <658802.47619.qm@web33105.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Triumph was 120 minutes, Olympia was over 240 minutes, Tag der Freiheit about 30 minutes... Of course on DVD or VHS you get 25 fgrames or more per second... in stead of 24 But Triumph and Olympia complete, is very hard to reconstruct.. as is Das blaue Blicht 1931 & 1951... On 23 Dec 2008, at 21:58, Euthymios Marston wrote: > I have seen the film, "Olympia." I was able to borrow it from > either the BPL or the Minuteman Library systems. You can also get > copies of "Triumph of the Will" and of "Das > Blaue [sp.?} Licht" from the same source(s). I did. > The new edition you refer to, has footage omitted from the > one referred to above?! > > --- On Mon, 12/22/08, Luc Deneulin wrote: From luc.deneulin at skynet.be Fri Dec 26 10:18:20 2008 From: luc.deneulin at skynet.be (Luc Deneulin) Date: Fri, 26 Dec 2008 16:18:20 +0100 Subject: [LEN-E] Triumph Message-ID: <31BC30F9-10D8-46FD-869A-F401FF7C62A5@skynet.be> While we probably have never seen a complete version of Triumph (just like i is the case for Olympia), I would like to draw your attention on a book by Susan Tegel who is an excellent scholar. Her "Nazi Cinema" contains a whole chapter about Triumph and contains when confronted with my of course not complete knowedge very very few mistakes. Another chapter about the organisation of film as from 1933 is very interesting also Luc From ron at psymon.com Sat Dec 27 15:06:43 2008 From: ron at psymon.com (Ron Koster) Date: Sat, 27 Dec 2008 15:06:43 -0500 Subject: [LEN-E] Olympia... another one! In-Reply-To: <3CC0673D47D94EB287485A2E2A68E798@IQON> References: <20081222214353.E5EF62BCDB@mailwash40.pair.com> <3CC0673D47D94EB287485A2E2A68E798@IQON> Message-ID: <20081227200652.1F00D2BD07@mailwash40.pair.com> Re that recent Olympia release on DVD that we were talking about, amazon sent me another notice advertising a new edition of "Shadow of a Doubt (Enhanced Edition)", i.e. Alfred Hitchcock's film... http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B001NIKAI0 This is from the same company, Triad Productions Corporation, that's making the Olympia DVD. The only review of the Hitchcock film (at the above URL) says: "There's nothing 'enhanced' about this. It looks like Triad simply downloaded a bootleg version of the film from the Internet Archive web site and slapped it onto a blank DVD. Stick to the much cheaper official DVD release from the copyright holder (Universal Pictures) and avoid this expensive rip-off bootleg. Shame on Amazon for promoting illegal transfers!" Indeed! I'm extremely surprised, actually, that amazon allows these people to sell these obvious bootlegs. It's bad enough that they've done Olympia (which, under USA copyright law, is a bit vague with regard to that film now being in the public domain), but Hitchcock's film would clearly still be owned by the original studio, for sure. I'm amazed (or "amazoned") that these people aren't in jail already! Ron 8! Woof?... http://www.Psymon.com Ach, du Leni!... http://www.Riefenstahl.org Hmm... http://www.Imaginary-Friend.ca From ron at psymon.com Sat Dec 27 15:10:56 2008 From: ron at psymon.com (Ron Koster) Date: Sat, 27 Dec 2008 15:10:56 -0500 Subject: [LEN-E] Cinema's Exiles: From Hitler to Hollywood Message-ID: <20081227201105.350C82BD01@mailwash40.pair.com> This isn't quite related to Leni, except perhaps only indirectly (and I'm sure many people here will be interested in this)... For those of us in North America who get the PBS channel, next Thursday (January 1st) they'll be airing the premiere of the following documentary all about Fritz Lang, et al., who escaped Nazi Germany and came to America in early 1930s... http://www.pbs.org/wnet/cinemasexiles/ I'm not sure about the time, but check your TV guide! Probably 8:00pm or 9:00pm, no doubt. It does look like it should be quite interesting -- there's previews and lots of other info at the above URL. Ron :) Woof?... http://www.Psymon.com Ach, du Leni!... http://www.Riefenstahl.org Hmm... http://www.Imaginary-Friend.ca From ron at psymon.com Sat Dec 27 15:20:58 2008 From: ron at psymon.com (Ron Koster) Date: Sat, 27 Dec 2008 15:20:58 -0500 Subject: [LEN-E] Triumph In-Reply-To: <31BC30F9-10D8-46FD-869A-F401FF7C62A5@skynet.be> References: <31BC30F9-10D8-46FD-869A-F401FF7C62A5@skynet.be> Message-ID: <20081227202107.732682BCCC@mailwash40.pair.com> At 04:18 PM 12/26/2008 +0100, Luc Deneulin wrote: >While we probably have never seen a complete version of Triumph (just >like i is the case for Olympia) Well, *that* is interesting! I had always just assumed that what's been available for all these years on VHS/DVD was the "complete" film. Do you have any idea what sorts of things we're missing??? Ron :? From luc.deneulin at skynet.be Sat Dec 27 15:35:40 2008 From: luc.deneulin at skynet.be (Luc Deneulin) Date: Sat, 27 Dec 2008 21:35:40 +0100 Subject: [LEN-E] Cinema's Exiles: From Hitler to Hollywood In-Reply-To: <20081227201105.350C82BD01@mailwash40.pair.com> References: <20081227201105.350C82BD01@mailwash40.pair.com> Message-ID: <0CFE5D96-FF45-475C-BF61-B2AB3499D00C@skynet.be> It is a very interesting topic, in fact it rarely occurs to non critical Riefenstahl fans that many very many people working in the cinema field saw their career ended as soon as 1933 because they could not work in Germany since one had to prove that one had 4 Aryan grand parents (as soon as end of 1933). The ones that were already known ans succesfil could go to America where they could make films, but here also, many of the most succesful already lefgt before the nazis came to power because of better working conditions (Sternberg-Dietrich). That directors like Leontine Sagan, Lotte Reiniger (to name two women) had to stop working and even didn't get any press coverage -- they started to do another job - should be taken in account when there is discussion about "There are so mny critical books about Riefenstahl" or "She wasn't allowed to work after the war " (the latter is not even true) -- is a very sad fact and had it happened to Riefenstahl, noone would have spoken about her I guess, which is not the case for the work of Sagan and Reiniger (I only name two women) Luc On 27 Dec 2008, at 21:10, Ron Koster wrote: This isn't quite related to Leni, except perhaps only indirectly (and I'm sure many people here will be interested in this)... For those of us in North America who get the PBS channel, next Thursday (January 1st) they'll be airing the premiere of the following documentary all about Fritz Lang, et al., who escaped Nazi Germany and came to America in early 1930s... http://www.pbs.org/wnet/cinemasexiles/ From luc.deneulin at skynet.be Sat Dec 27 16:01:10 2008 From: luc.deneulin at skynet.be (Luc Deneulin) Date: Sat, 27 Dec 2008 22:01:10 +0100 Subject: [LEN-E] Triumph In-Reply-To: <20081227202107.732682BCCC@mailwash40.pair.com> References: <31BC30F9-10D8-46FD-869A-F401FF7C62A5@skynet.be> <20081227202107.732682BCCC@mailwash40.pair.com> Message-ID: There are already on VHS/DVD and in Filmmuseums slighly different versions, sometimes one meter more or less, with one political person removed, others with less esthetic frame, some where the cameramen are seen, the film was anyway over two hours in 1935, Martin Loiperdinger has done lots of research on this topic, and came to the conclusion that it is a puzzle of years to find a few minutes of the (ten or so) minutes that are lost. At 04:18 PM 12/26/2008 +0100, Luc Deneulin wrote: > While we probably have never seen a complete version of Triumph (just > like i is the case for Olympia) Well, *that* is interesting! I had always just assumed that what's been available for all these years on VHS/DVD was the "complete" film. Do you have any idea what sorts of things we're missing??? From easternwindow at freenet.de Sun Dec 28 07:38:22 2008 From: easternwindow at freenet.de (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Thomas_K=F6hler?=) Date: Sun, 28 Dec 2008 13:38:22 +0100 Subject: [LEN-E] Cinema's Exiles: From Hitler to Hollywood In-Reply-To: <0CFE5D96-FF45-475C-BF61-B2AB3499D00C@skynet.be> References: <20081227201105.350C82BD01@mailwash40.pair.com> <0CFE5D96-FF45-475C-BF61-B2AB3499D00C@skynet.be> Message-ID: <4957733E.30002@freenet.de> Hi all, yes, this seems like a very interesting documentary indeed! As Luc points out, there were many many directors who had to leave Germany in 1933 or Austria after 1938. Reading the announcement however, it seems that perhaps the film might lump together a lot of people who not always left for Hollywood or not always because of the Nazis. Hedy Lamarr, for instance, was Austrian, but as far as I know, embarked for Hollywood for personal reasons (she wanted to leave her husband, and her film "Ekstase" had caused such a scandal in 1933 that she'd probably have encountered difficulties to find work regardless of politics). Same for Marlene Dietrich, who followed Sternberg's invitation after the success of "Der blaue Engel" and became a major star in Hollywood already in 1930. A lot of the great German directors of the 10s and 20s also went to Hollywood of their own accord, simply because they were offered better working conditions or because they considered Hollywood the place where they could better realise what they actually wanted to do (which seems surprising). Sternberg has already been mentioned, but also think of Murnau (who left in 1926), Lubitsch (who left in 1923) or even Stroheim ,who already was in Hollywood in the 1910 as an assistant to D.W.Griffith, but then encountered ever-increasing difficulties with the Hollywood system which almost systematically cut his films and destroyed his artistic ambitions and visions. Murnau had similar problems, which is why he left Fox after just three films and set up his own production company. Then of course there are those who indeed left because of the Nazi regime, and whose absence brought to an end what was probably the greatest period in German cinema history (Weimar cinema). Not all of them went to Hollywood, though. Fritz Lang first went to France, directing one film ("Liliom"), before finally embarking for Hollywood, where he totally changed his style; G.W. Pabst also made films in France (but then returned to Germany in 1939, for unfathomable reasons), Max Ophuls worked in all sorts of countries, including Italy and Japan, before finally going to Hollywood (and later returning to work in France, where he made his greatest films in the 50s). I completely agree about Sagan and Reininger, of course. Sagan's "M?dchen in Uniform" is a totally surprising and 'new' film, with an almost Ingmar-Bergman-style photography and great emotional intensity. It's very good to see that this film is finally re-appraised now in Germany (after it had already been remade in the 50s with Romy Schneider in a pretty forgettable version). Best Thomas > From len-e at nhaysom.com Sun Dec 28 15:02:27 2008 From: len-e at nhaysom.com (Nick Haysom) Date: Sun, 28 Dec 2008 20:02:27 -0000 Subject: [LEN-E] Olympia... another one! In-Reply-To: <20081227200652.1F00D2BD07@mailwash40.pair.com> References: <20081222214353.E5EF62BCDB@mailwash40.pair.com><3CC0673D47D94EB287485A2E2A68E798@IQON> <20081227200652.1F00D2BD07@mailwash40.pair.com> Message-ID: <8E1F9CBE77394FDA997A17D46E532487@IQON> Thanks for that link... but I'm not seeing the review you quote on that page. I did spot "Tags Customers Associate with This Product", though, and had to laugh! There is also a release of TOTW on Triad: http://tinyurl.com/8lv73q but this apparently isn't a burn-to-order version and it's in stock. Even stranger, all the very positive reviews post-date its release... (BTW you have to love Amazon Reviewers, how's this for incisive political critique: "Just watch it and you will see, if nothing else, how messed up these guys where.") All the Triad releases seem to be available from "RPS Distribution" as well on the Marketplace - but at lower cost. Could it be that Amazon has been infiltrated by a branch of the Chinese mafia...? :) Nick From luc.deneulin at skynet.be Sun Dec 28 18:17:04 2008 From: luc.deneulin at skynet.be (Luc Deneulin) Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2008 00:17:04 +0100 Subject: [LEN-E] Olympia... another one! In-Reply-To: <8E1F9CBE77394FDA997A17D46E532487@IQON> References: <20081222214353.E5EF62BCDB@mailwash40.pair.com><3CC0673D47D94EB287485A2E2A68E798@IQON> <20081227200652.1F00D2BD07@mailwash40.pair.com> <8E1F9CBE77394FDA997A17D46E532487@IQON> Message-ID: This one is 95 minutes. I do not know how many frames per second since DVD is always shorter than real film, but we are far from 120 minutes anyway. On 28 Dec 2008, at 21:02, Nick Haysom wrote: Thanks for that link... but I'm not seeing the review you quote on that page. I did spot "Tags Customers Associate with This Product", though, and had to laugh! There is also a release of TOTW on Triad: http://tinyurl.com/8lv73q but this apparently isn't a burn-to-order version and it's in stock. Even stranger, all the very positive reviews post-date its release... (BTW you have to love Amazon Reviewers, how's this for incisive political critique: "Just watch it and you will see, if nothing else, how messed up these guys where.") From ron at psymon.com Mon Dec 29 16:53:38 2008 From: ron at psymon.com (Ron Koster) Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2008 16:53:38 -0500 Subject: [LEN-E] Olympia... another one! In-Reply-To: <8E1F9CBE77394FDA997A17D46E532487@IQON> References: <20081222214353.E5EF62BCDB@mailwash40.pair.com> <3CC0673D47D94EB287485A2E2A68E798@IQON> <20081227200652.1F00D2BD07@mailwash40.pair.com> <8E1F9CBE77394FDA997A17D46E532487@IQON> Message-ID: <20081229215350.9B3E92BD0A@mailwash40.pair.com> At 08:02 PM 12/28/2008 +0000, Nick Haysom wrote: >Thanks for that link... but I'm not seeing the review you quote on that page. That's odd. As you say, that review does seem to be gone now -- but it was definitely there (just the day before?) when I quoted it! Perhaps amazon removed it because it was not just critical of that particular DVD, but of amazon itself, too??? >There is also a release of TOTW on Triad: >but this apparently isn't a burn-to-order version and it's in stock. >Even stranger, all the very positive reviews post-date its release... I've noticed in the past that the reviews for any particular movie aren't necessarily connected to the specific DVD release that the review is found on -- in other words, those reviews might not be directly related to this "Triad Productions Corporation" edition, but rather to the Synapse edition, or whatever other edition. I wish amazon's reviews would be more specific in that regard, actually, as it's not hard to accidentally buy a terrible version, when one thinks one is getting a good (if not great) version. Ron :/ From ron at psymon.com Wed Dec 31 07:19:35 2008 From: ron at psymon.com (Ron Koster) Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2008 07:19:35 -0500 Subject: [LEN-E] Cinema's Exiles: From Hitler to Hollywood In-Reply-To: <0CFE5D96-FF45-475C-BF61-B2AB3499D00C@skynet.be> References: <20081227201105.350C82BD01@mailwash40.pair.com> <0CFE5D96-FF45-475C-BF61-B2AB3499D00C@skynet.be> Message-ID: <20081231121941.EA8832BD0C@mailwash40.pair.com> Just a reminder to everyone (in North America, at least), in case you're going away for New Year's Day, about that "Cinema's Exiles" documentary on PBS tomorrow night (check your TV listings for the time/length) -- if you're going to be away, you might want to set your VCRs/DVRs! Assuming it's of interest, too, of course! Ron ;)