From "ltcmd-ltpcalums:com-ltpc-disc-owner"@ltpcalums.com Fri May 23 11:47:17 2003 Return-Path: <"ltcmd-ltpcalums:com-ltpc-disc-owner"@ltpcalums.com> Delivered-To: ltpc-disc@four.pairlist.net Received: from niwun.pair.com (niwun.pair.com [209.68.2.70]) by four.pairlist.net (Postfix) with SMTP id A4E2BDCBA for ; Fri, 23 May 2003 11:47:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 44129 invoked by uid 3128); 23 May 2003 15:47:17 -0000 Delivered-To: ltcmd-ltpcalums:com-ltpc-disc@ltpcalums.com Received: (qmail 44102 invoked from network); 23 May 2003 15:47:15 -0000 Received: from flamingo.mail.pas.earthlink.net (207.217.120.232) by niwun.pair.com with SMTP; 23 May 2003 15:47:15 -0000 Received: from user-2inig1q.dialup.mindspring.com ([165.121.64.58] helo=NewDell) by flamingo.mail.pas.earthlink.net with smtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 19JElF-0000Dx-00 for ltpc-disc@ltpcalums.com; Fri, 23 May 2003 08:47:14 -0700 Message-ID: <072801c32142$a1882c40$0100a8c0@NewDell> Reply-To: From: To: Date: Fri, 23 May 2003 11:47:34 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0725_01C32121.198CEF90" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: [LTPC-disc] test post 2 Sender: ltpc-disc-admin@ltpcalums.com Errors-To: ltpc-disc-admin@ltpcalums.com X-BeenThere: ltpc-disc@ltpcalums.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.6 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Discussions about the shutdown of LTPC List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , List-Archive: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0725_01C32121.198CEF90 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable test post 2 - test message ------=_NextPart_000_0725_01C32121.198CEF90 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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------=_NextPart_000_0725_01C32121.198CEF90-- From "ltcmd-ltpcalums:com-ltpc-disc-owner"@ltpcalums.com Fri May 23 12:17:27 2003 Return-Path: <"ltcmd-ltpcalums:com-ltpc-disc-owner"@ltpcalums.com> Delivered-To: ltpc-disc@four.pairlist.net Received: from niwun.pair.com (niwun.pair.com [209.68.2.70]) by four.pairlist.net (Postfix) with SMTP id ED254DB91 for ; Fri, 23 May 2003 12:17:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 54474 invoked by uid 3128); 23 May 2003 16:17:27 -0000 Delivered-To: ltcmd-ltpcalums:com-ltpc-disc@ltpcalums.com Received: (qmail 54471 invoked from network); 23 May 2003 16:17:27 -0000 Received: from smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net (207.172.4.60) by niwun.pair.com with SMTP; 23 May 2003 16:17:27 -0000 Received: from 208-59-158-71.s71.tnt2.frdb.va.dialup.rcn.com ([208.59.158.71] helo=doris) by smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.35 #4) id 19JFEV-0006rK-00 for ltpc-disc@ltpcalums.com; Fri, 23 May 2003 12:17:27 -0400 Message-ID: <007201c32146$cbbf3900$479e3bd0@s> From: "Ray Voelkle" To: Date: Fri, 23 May 2003 12:17:20 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_006F_01C32125.424B3F00" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Subject: [LTPC-disc] Fight for the Right! Sender: ltpc-disc-admin@ltpcalums.com Errors-To: ltpc-disc-admin@ltpcalums.com X-BeenThere: ltpc-disc@ltpcalums.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.6 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Discussions about the shutdown of LTPC List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , List-Archive: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_006F_01C32125.424B3F00 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I am extremely pleased to see this website up and running and my hats = off to Doug Burg for making it available to all current and soon to be = past LTPC employees. We needed a place to sound off and fight for our = rights. What LTPC is attempting to do is take away our ability to earn = an income both now and after the close of business on June 20th. I am = with all of you that feel this is totally unacceptable. Elizabeth = O'Beirne brings up a good point regarding vesting. LTPC should step up = to the plate and do what's right, vest all employees that are still with = LTPC. I will be attempting to contact anyone within Cendants hierarchy, = and any that respond, I will post their comments on this site. Ray Voelkle LTPC Specialist www.virginialtc.net ------=_NextPart_000_006F_01C32125.424B3F00 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I am extremely pleased to see this = website up and=20 running and my hats off to Doug Burg for making it available to all = current and=20 soon to be past LTPC employees.  We needed a place to sound off and = fight=20 for our rights.  What LTPC is attempting to do is take away our = ability to=20 earn an income both now and after the close of business on June = 20th. =20 I am with all of you that feel this is totally = unacceptable. =20 Elizabeth O'Beirne brings up a good point regarding vesting.  LTPC = should=20 step up to the plate and do what's right, vest all employees that are = still with=20 LTPC.  I will be attempting to contact anyone within Cendants = hierarchy,=20 and any that respond, I will post their comments on this = site.
Ray Voelkle
LTPC Specialist
www.virginialtc.net
 
------=_NextPart_000_006F_01C32125.424B3F00-- From "ltcmd-ltpcalums:com-ltpc-disc-owner"@ltpcalums.com Fri May 23 14:45:19 2003 Return-Path: <"ltcmd-ltpcalums:com-ltpc-disc-owner"@ltpcalums.com> Delivered-To: ltpc-disc@four.pairlist.net Received: from niwun.pair.com (niwun.pair.com [209.68.2.70]) by four.pairlist.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 15B99DB9B for ; Fri, 23 May 2003 14:45:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 12290 invoked by uid 3128); 23 May 2003 18:44:59 -0000 Delivered-To: ltcmd-ltpcalums:com-ltpc-disc@ltpcalums.com Received: (qmail 12287 invoked from network); 23 May 2003 18:44:59 -0000 Received: from smtp-out.comcast.net (24.153.64.113) by niwun.pair.com with SMTP; 23 May 2003 18:44:59 -0000 Received: from sharisbox (pcp221283pcs.elkrdg01.md.comcast.net [68.55.213.15]) by mtaout03.icomcast.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.14 (built Mar 18 2003)) with SMTP id <0HFC00B7ES16IN@mtaout03.icomcast.net> for ltpc-disc@ltpcalums.com; Fri, 23 May 2003 14:43:55 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 23 May 2003 14:49:01 -0400 From: Doug Burg Subject: Re: [LTPC-disc] Fight for the Right! To: Ray Voelkle , ltpc-disc@ltpcalums.com Reply-To: Doug Burg Message-id: <004e01c3215b$fa00c1c0$0fd53744@elkrdg01.md.comcast.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_hm4xZ7NFeoV2CbSC1jZRZA)" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <007201c32146$cbbf3900$479e3bd0@s> Sender: ltpc-disc-admin@ltpcalums.com Errors-To: ltpc-disc-admin@ltpcalums.com X-BeenThere: ltpc-disc@ltpcalums.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.6 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Discussions about the shutdown of LTPC List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , List-Archive: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --Boundary_(ID_hm4xZ7NFeoV2CbSC1jZRZA) Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Ray, I agree - We need to fight for the 7% vesting. There is strength in numbers. doug ----- Original Message ----- From: Ray Voelkle To: ltpc-disc@ltpcalums.com Sent: Friday, May 23, 2003 12:17 PM Subject: [LTPC-disc] Fight for the Right! I am extremely pleased to see this website up and running and my hats off to Doug Burg for making it available to all current and soon to be past LTPC employees. We needed a place to sound off and fight for our rights. What LTPC is attempting to do is take away our ability to earn an income both now and after the close of business on June 20th. I am with all of you that feel this is totally unacceptable. Elizabeth O'Beirne brings up a good point regarding vesting. LTPC should step up to the plate and do what's right, vest all employees that are still with LTPC. I will be attempting to contact anyone within Cendants hierarchy, and any that respond, I will post their comments on this site. Ray Voelkle LTPC Specialist www.virginialtc.net --Boundary_(ID_hm4xZ7NFeoV2CbSC1jZRZA) Content-type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT
Ray,
 
I agree - We need to fight for the 7% vesting.  There is strength in numbers.
 
doug
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Friday, May 23, 2003 12:17 PM
Subject: [LTPC-disc] Fight for the Right!

I am extremely pleased to see this website up and running and my hats off to Doug Burg for making it available to all current and soon to be past LTPC employees.  We needed a place to sound off and fight for our rights.  What LTPC is attempting to do is take away our ability to earn an income both now and after the close of business on June 20th.  I am with all of you that feel this is totally unacceptable.  Elizabeth O'Beirne brings up a good point regarding vesting.  LTPC should step up to the plate and do what's right, vest all employees that are still with LTPC.  I will be attempting to contact anyone within Cendants hierarchy, and any that respond, I will post their comments on this site.
Ray Voelkle
LTPC Specialist
 
--Boundary_(ID_hm4xZ7NFeoV2CbSC1jZRZA)-- From "ltcmd-ltpcalums:com-ltpc-disc-owner"@ltpcalums.com Fri May 23 15:46:12 2003 Return-Path: <"ltcmd-ltpcalums:com-ltpc-disc-owner"@ltpcalums.com> Delivered-To: ltpc-disc@four.pairlist.net Received: from niwun.pair.com (niwun.pair.com [209.68.2.70]) by four.pairlist.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 5E187DD07 for ; Fri, 23 May 2003 15:46:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 28388 invoked by uid 3128); 23 May 2003 19:46:12 -0000 Delivered-To: ltcmd-ltpcalums:com-ltpc-disc@ltpcalums.com Received: (qmail 28385 invoked from network); 23 May 2003 19:46:12 -0000 Received: from smtp-out.comcast.net (24.153.64.116) by niwun.pair.com with SMTP; 23 May 2003 19:46:12 -0000 Received: from Default (pcp742908pcs.reston01.va.comcast.net [68.49.147.66]) by mtaout04.icomcast.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.14 (built Mar 18 2003)) with ESMTP id <0HFC00DJMUVPWP@mtaout04.icomcast.net> for ltpc-disc@ltpcalums.com; Fri, 23 May 2003 15:45:25 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 23 May 2003 15:44:17 -0400 From: Elizabeth O'Beirne To: ltpc-disc@ltpcalums.com Reply-To: eobeirne@earthlink.net Message-id: <000501c32163$b2c2dde0$b800a8c0@reston01.va.comcast.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_1srzyCG+cPVK92ew8PNE5w)" Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal Subject: [LTPC-disc] Subscribe me Sender: ltpc-disc-admin@ltpcalums.com Errors-To: ltpc-disc-admin@ltpcalums.com X-BeenThere: ltpc-disc@ltpcalums.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.6 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Discussions about the shutdown of LTPC List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , List-Archive: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --Boundary_(ID_1srzyCG+cPVK92ew8PNE5w) Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Elizabeth Brower O'Beirne www.LTCiPlanning.com Long Term Care Specialist Long Term Preferred Care, Inc. 703-709-7760 --Boundary_(ID_1srzyCG+cPVK92ew8PNE5w) Content-type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Message
 
 
Elizabeth Brower O'Beirne
www.LTCiPlanning.com
Long Term Care Specialist
Long Term Preferred Care, Inc.
703-709-7760
 
--Boundary_(ID_1srzyCG+cPVK92ew8PNE5w)-- From "ltcmd-ltpcalums:com-ltpc-disc-owner"@ltpcalums.com Fri May 23 21:49:46 2003 Return-Path: <"ltcmd-ltpcalums:com-ltpc-disc-owner"@ltpcalums.com> Delivered-To: ltpc-disc@four.pairlist.net Received: from niwun.pair.com (niwun.pair.com [209.68.2.70]) by four.pairlist.net (Postfix) with SMTP id ABB8EDC90 for ; Fri, 23 May 2003 21:49:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 29089 invoked by uid 3128); 24 May 2003 01:49:46 -0000 Delivered-To: ltcmd-ltpcalums:com-ltpc-disc@ltpcalums.com Received: (qmail 29086 invoked from network); 24 May 2003 01:49:46 -0000 Received: from imo-r07.mx.aol.com (152.163.225.103) by niwun.pair.com with SMTP; 24 May 2003 01:49:46 -0000 Received: from SAV4LATER@aol.com by imo-r07.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v36.3.) id 5.24.3ece9848 (3972) for ; Fri, 23 May 2003 21:49:43 -0400 (EDT) From: SAV4LATER@aol.com Message-ID: <24.3ece9848.2c0029b7@aol.com> Date: Fri, 23 May 2003 21:49:43 EDT To: ltpc-disc@ltpcalums.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; 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Sat, 24 May 2003 09:12:30 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sat, 24 May 2003 09:17:25 -0400 From: Doug Burg To: ltpc-disc@ltpcalums.com Reply-To: Doug Burg Message-id: <006801c321f6$d1b55820$0fd53744@elkrdg01.md.comcast.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_smIqLPZ+I1qOmBRx+H+yMQ)" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal Subject: [LTPC-disc] Fw: Day 2 Sender: ltpc-disc-admin@ltpcalums.com Errors-To: ltpc-disc-admin@ltpcalums.com X-BeenThere: ltpc-disc@ltpcalums.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.6 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Discussions about the shutdown of LTPC List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , List-Archive: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --Boundary_(ID_smIqLPZ+I1qOmBRx+H+yMQ) Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Hello LTPC Alumni, More e-mails came today than I could get to. I'll get them all added to this list as quickly as I can but my wife still expects me to be making a living. ( I wish Cendant/Progeny would let me make a living.) Some of the e-mail addresses came by way of a friend or manager, so if you get this message and don't want to be on the list, just respond back to this message with something that will let me know your feelings. Doug Burg would like everyone to visit his LTPC Alumni website - give it a try at www.ltpcalums.com Thanks goes out to Jay Black for getting some answers from HR about the "no commissions for 90 days" dilemma that had so many of us up in arms - Thanks Jay! One of the largest issues still seems to be HR's attitude that we shouldn't have any interaction with out clients after 6/20 (or 5/24 for some of you) - so once again I would like you all to look at our contracts...... Under Section V of our contract, Part B (Non-Competition), it reads: __________________________________________________________________________________________ B. Non-Competition: During the period of eighteen (18) months following the termination of employment for any reason, SA agrees that SA will not for SA's benefit, or in association with, or on behalf of any other person or entity: 1. Directly or indirectly solicit or attempt to solicit the sale of any product or service similar to products or services marketed by LTPC to any of the following: a). Any of LTPC's clients with whom SA had direct contact while SA worked for LTPC; or b). Any prospect or lead given to SA by LTPC or generated by SA while SA worked for LTPC. ______________________________________________________________________________________________ Unless a whole bunch of us are complete morons, there isn't ANYTHING in there that keeps us from contact with our existing clients - we just can't sell them any LTC insurance BUT, and this is a big BUT, there isn't a thing in there about not being able to SERVICE THE SALE that we already made. There is a difference. HR's decision to stop the flow-through of paperwork to the agents from the carriers is a BIG mistake. They are not acting in good faith and we really have to do something about it. If you have any more information about this issue, please reply back to me so that I can get it to the group. Hopefully by getting this e-mail list together we can get this kind of information out to everyone who needs to know. Now, one last tidbit for today....... This e-mail list would be a great place for us ALL to let each other know about job opportunities. I know that everyone has been looking into something, so send me an e-mail with the best opportunity that you've looked into & I'll send it along to the whole group. Also, if you didn't get "Day 1", let me know and I'll send it to you. I hope everyone has a nice Memorial Day Weekend, Sincerely, Jon Christopher jondc@xmission.com (801)544-5988 --Boundary_(ID_smIqLPZ+I1qOmBRx+H+yMQ) Content-type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT
Hello LTPC Alumni,
 
More e-mails came today than I could get to.  I'll get them all added to this list as quickly as I can but my wife still expects me to be making a living.  ( I wish Cendant/Progeny would let me make a living.)
 
Some of the e-mail addresses came by way of a friend or manager, so if you get this message and don't want to be on the list, just respond back to this message with something that will let me know your feelings.
 
Doug Burg would like everyone to visit his LTPC Alumni website - give it a try at www.ltpcalums.com
 
Thanks goes out to Jay Black for getting some answers from HR about the "no commissions for 90 days" dilemma that had so many of us up in arms - Thanks Jay!
 
One of the largest issues still seems to be HR's attitude that we shouldn't have any interaction with out clients after 6/20 (or 5/24 for some of you) - so once again I would like you all to look at our contracts......
 
Under Section V of our contract, Part B (Non-Competition), it reads:
__________________________________________________________________________________________
B. Non-Competition: During the period of eighteen (18) months following the termination of employment for any reason, SA agrees that SA will not for SA's benefit, or in association with, or on behalf of any other person or entity:
 
    1. Directly or indirectly solicit or attempt to solicit the sale of any product or service similar to products or services marketed by LTPC to any of the following:
 
    a).    Any of LTPC's clients with whom SA had direct contact while SA worked for LTPC; or
 
    b).    Any prospect or lead given to SA by LTPC or generated by SA while SA worked for LTPC.
______________________________________________________________________________________________
 
Unless a whole bunch of us are complete morons, there isn't ANYTHING in there that keeps us from contact with our existing clients - we just can't sell them any LTC insurance  BUT, and this is a big BUT, there isn't a thing in there about not being able to SERVICE THE SALE that we already made.  There is a difference.
 
HR's decision to stop the flow-through of paperwork to the agents from the carriers is a BIG mistake.  They are not acting in good faith and we really have to do something about it.  If you have any more information about this issue, please reply back to me so that I can get it to the group.  Hopefully by getting this e-mail list together we can get this kind of information out to everyone who needs to know.
 
Now, one last tidbit for today....... This e-mail list would be a great place for us ALL to let each other know about job opportunities.  I know that everyone has been looking into something, so send me an e-mail with the best opportunity that you've looked into & I'll send it along to the whole group.
 
Also, if you didn't get "Day 1", let me know and I'll send it to you.
 
I hope everyone has a nice Memorial Day Weekend,
 
Sincerely,
 
Jon Christopher
jondc@xmission.com
(801)544-5988
 
 
--Boundary_(ID_smIqLPZ+I1qOmBRx+H+yMQ)-- From "ltcmd-ltpcalums:com-ltpc-disc-owner"@ltpcalums.com Sat May 24 09:12:39 2003 Return-Path: <"ltcmd-ltpcalums:com-ltpc-disc-owner"@ltpcalums.com> Delivered-To: ltpc-disc@four.pairlist.net Received: from niwun.pair.com (niwun.pair.com [209.68.2.70]) by four.pairlist.net (Postfix) with SMTP id D9E73DCF5 for ; Sat, 24 May 2003 09:12:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 36167 invoked by uid 3128); 24 May 2003 13:12:39 -0000 Delivered-To: ltcmd-ltpcalums:com-ltpc-disc@ltpcalums.com Received: (qmail 36164 invoked from network); 24 May 2003 13:12:39 -0000 Received: from smtp-out.comcast.net (24.153.64.115) by niwun.pair.com with SMTP; 24 May 2003 13:12:39 -0000 Received: from sharisbox (pcp221283pcs.elkrdg01.md.comcast.net [68.55.213.15]) by mtaout02.icomcast.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.12 (built Feb 13 2003)) with SMTP id <0HFE001VY7BQF7@mtaout02.icomcast.net> for ltpc-disc@ltpcalums.com; Sat, 24 May 2003 09:11:51 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sat, 24 May 2003 09:16:47 -0400 From: Doug Burg To: ltpc-disc@ltpcalums.com Reply-To: Doug Burg Message-id: <005f01c321f6$baebe8c0$0fd53744@elkrdg01.md.comcast.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_M2+2YDOJURp3EQL+FpvKQw)" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal Subject: [LTPC-disc] Fw: ltcalums.com Sender: ltpc-disc-admin@ltpcalums.com Errors-To: ltpc-disc-admin@ltpcalums.com X-BeenThere: ltpc-disc@ltpcalums.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.6 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Discussions about the shutdown of LTPC List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , List-Archive: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --Boundary_(ID_M2+2YDOJURp3EQL+FpvKQw) Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT ----- Original Message ----- From: bradle To: doug@dougburg.com Sent: Friday, May 23, 2003 10:40 PM Subject: ltcalums.com Doug, I wish I was savy enough to set up something like this or even to understand how to use what you have created. Thank you. I would like to be able to communicate with fellow LTPC agents regardless of the legal ramifications. In the mean time I would like to report that I have been in touch with the DOI in California and they have informed me that it is possible to file a complaint on-line through their web site under "consumer request for assistance". I am holding off until Wednesday to see what announcements come out, but if Cendant thinks they can forbid me from helping my clients then they have a fight on their hands. Thanks again, Bob Bradle --Boundary_(ID_M2+2YDOJURp3EQL+FpvKQw) Content-type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT
 
----- Original Message -----
From: bradle
Sent: Friday, May 23, 2003 10:40 PM
Subject: ltcalums.com

Doug,  I wish I was savy enough to set up something like this or even to understand how to use what you have created.  Thank you.  I would like to be able to communicate with fellow LTPC agents regardless of the legal ramifications.  In the mean time I would like to report that I have been in touch with the DOI in California and they have informed me that it is possible to file a complaint on-line through their web site under "consumer request for assistance".  I am holding off until Wednesday to see what announcements come out, but if Cendant thinks they can forbid me from helping my clients then  they have a fight on their hands.  Thanks again,  Bob Bradle
--Boundary_(ID_M2+2YDOJURp3EQL+FpvKQw)-- From "ltcmd-ltpcalums:com-ltpc-disc-owner"@ltpcalums.com Sat May 24 09:14:05 2003 Return-Path: <"ltcmd-ltpcalums:com-ltpc-disc-owner"@ltpcalums.com> Delivered-To: ltpc-disc@four.pairlist.net Received: from niwun.pair.com (niwun.pair.com [209.68.2.70]) by four.pairlist.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 8308FDCE0 for ; Sat, 24 May 2003 09:14:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 36456 invoked by uid 3128); 24 May 2003 13:14:05 -0000 Delivered-To: ltcmd-ltpcalums:com-ltpc-disc@ltpcalums.com Received: (qmail 36453 invoked from network); 24 May 2003 13:14:05 -0000 Received: from smtp-out.comcast.net (24.153.64.116) by niwun.pair.com with SMTP; 24 May 2003 13:14:05 -0000 Received: from sharisbox (pcp221283pcs.elkrdg01.md.comcast.net [68.55.213.15]) by mtaout04.icomcast.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.14 (built Mar 18 2003)) with SMTP id <0HFE002QO7EW5T@mtaout04.icomcast.net> for ltpc-disc@ltpcalums.com; Sat, 24 May 2003 09:13:44 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sat, 24 May 2003 09:18:40 -0400 From: Doug Burg To: ltpc-disc@ltpcalums.com Reply-To: Doug Burg Message-id: <007101c321f6$fe5412e0$0fd53744@elkrdg01.md.comcast.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_pD/AHswgUsVo9zuiAV1Jig)" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal Subject: [LTPC-disc] Fw: Health Insurance Sender: ltpc-disc-admin@ltpcalums.com Errors-To: ltpc-disc-admin@ltpcalums.com X-BeenThere: ltpc-disc@ltpcalums.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.6 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Discussions about the shutdown of LTPC List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , List-Archive: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --Boundary_(ID_pD/AHswgUsVo9zuiAV1Jig) Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT ----- Original Message ----- From: MrOnopa@aol.com To: doug@dougburg.com Sent: Friday, May 23, 2003 5:22 PM Subject: (no subject) Doug, It appears that most all of us will be paying more for health insurance, especially those over 55. Some may not even be able to obtain it. Cendant should allow us to stay on the existing plan at the same rate for up to three years. And if you are 60 or older, until you qualify for medicare. If you count the number of us over 55, a case could be made for some type of discrimination. Ron Onopa --Boundary_(ID_pD/AHswgUsVo9zuiAV1Jig) Content-type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT
 
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Friday, May 23, 2003 5:22 PM
Subject: (no subject)

Doug,
It appears that most all of us will be paying more for health insurance, especially those over 55. Some may not even be able to obtain it.
Cendant should allow us to stay on the existing plan at the same rate for up to three years. And if you are 60 or older, until you qualify for medicare.
If you count the number of us over 55, a case could be made for some type of discrimination.
Ron Onopa --Boundary_(ID_pD/AHswgUsVo9zuiAV1Jig)-- From "ltcmd-ltpcalums:com-ltpc-disc-owner"@ltpcalums.com Sat May 24 09:18:50 2003 Return-Path: <"ltcmd-ltpcalums:com-ltpc-disc-owner"@ltpcalums.com> Delivered-To: ltpc-disc@four.pairlist.net Received: from niwun.pair.com (niwun.pair.com [209.68.2.70]) by four.pairlist.net (Postfix) with SMTP id D73F1DCAE for ; Sat, 24 May 2003 09:18:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 37152 invoked by uid 3128); 24 May 2003 13:18:50 -0000 Delivered-To: ltcmd-ltpcalums:com-ltpc-disc@ltpcalums.com Received: (qmail 37149 invoked from network); 24 May 2003 13:18:50 -0000 Received: from smtp-out.comcast.net (24.153.64.116) by niwun.pair.com with SMTP; 24 May 2003 13:18:50 -0000 Received: from sharisbox (pcp221283pcs.elkrdg01.md.comcast.net [68.55.213.15]) by mtaout04.icomcast.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.14 (built Mar 18 2003)) with SMTP id <0HFE002F17M65T@mtaout04.icomcast.net> for ltpc-disc@ltpcalums.com; Sat, 24 May 2003 09:18:08 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sat, 24 May 2003 09:23:02 -0400 From: Doug Burg To: ltpc-disc@ltpcalums.com Reply-To: Doug Burg Message-id: <008601c321f7$9aa74cc0$0fd53744@elkrdg01.md.comcast.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 Content-type: multipart/mixed; boundary="Boundary_(ID_kYTsaSV625EQmN0j17F9BA)" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal Subject: [LTPC-disc] Fw: Index of the Number of People Uninsured for Long-Term Care Sender: ltpc-disc-admin@ltpcalums.com Errors-To: ltpc-disc-admin@ltpcalums.com X-BeenThere: ltpc-disc@ltpcalums.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.6 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Discussions about the shutdown of LTPC List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , List-Archive: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --Boundary_(ID_kYTsaSV625EQmN0j17F9BA) Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT ----- Original Message ----- From: "cthau " To: Sent: Friday, May 23, 2003 11:58 PM Subject: Index of the Number of People Uninsured for Long-Term Care I thought you might find this information to be interesting. I am a member of the group that put out this press release. You could call me if you have questions after having read the attachments. A new index released last week indicates that more than eight out of every ten Americans over the age of 45 (85 percent) are unprotected against the costs of long-term care by virtue of having neither public nor private insurance coverage at this time. The Index of Long-Term Care Uninsured, produced by the Long-Term Care Financing Strategy Group of Washington D.C., also revealed the following: * The total number of uninsured for long-term care is 82 million. * 89 percent of those between 45 and 64 are uninsured for long-term care. * For those 65 and over, 77 percent are uninsured for long-term care. I think it is interesting that 23% of those age 65 and over who do not qualify for Medicaid have purchased LTCI. Sincerely, Claude Thau We're in it for the Long-Term... 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ltpc-disc@four.pairlist.net Received: from niwun.pair.com (niwun.pair.com [209.68.2.70]) by four.pairlist.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 71C3ADCE0 for ; Sat, 24 May 2003 09:54:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 42304 invoked by uid 3128); 24 May 2003 13:54:24 -0000 Delivered-To: ltcmd-ltpcalums:com-ltpc-disc@ltpcalums.com Received: (qmail 42301 invoked from network); 24 May 2003 13:54:24 -0000 Received: from smtp-out.comcast.net (24.153.64.113) by niwun.pair.com with SMTP; 24 May 2003 13:54:24 -0000 Received: from sharisbox (pcp221283pcs.elkrdg01.md.comcast.net [68.55.213.15]) by mtaout03.icomcast.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.14 (built Mar 18 2003)) with SMTP id <0HFE000F19AMS4@mtaout03.icomcast.net> for ltpc-disc@ltpcalums.com; Sat, 24 May 2003 09:54:23 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sat, 24 May 2003 09:59:19 -0400 From: Doug Burg Subject: Fw: [LTPC-disc] Fw: Health Insurance To: ltpc-disc@ltpcalums.com Reply-To: Doug Burg Message-id: <00a601c321fc$abbd7020$0fd53744@elkrdg01.md.comcast.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_22QAXbb4pLesbiffzgIJMw)" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal Sender: ltpc-disc-admin@ltpcalums.com Errors-To: ltpc-disc-admin@ltpcalums.com X-BeenThere: ltpc-disc@ltpcalums.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.6 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Discussions about the shutdown of LTPC List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , List-Archive: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --Boundary_(ID_22QAXbb4pLesbiffzgIJMw) Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable ----- Original Message -----=20 From: THOMAS DURKIN=20 To: Doug Burg=20 Sent: Saturday, May 24, 2003 9:43 AM Subject: Re: [LTPC-disc] Fw: Health Insurance I wanted to reply to two messages I've seen. Health Insurance: The law is 18 months of COBRA, they are not going to = offer 3 years. There is no evidence of discrimination-the company = virtually is closing its doors and eliminating the entire sales force, = etc. Existing policyholders: The contract is intended to stop agents who = leave the company from working leads they take with them and trying to = get existing policy holders to switch ltc policies. You can service = policyholders, even offer them other products, like prepaid funerals. = Since LTPC does not offer any products to existing policy holders = anything other than ltci would not be a competitive product. =20 Leads you have not sold are an interesting issue. Who owns the names of = the people that you are currently contacting but may not make a decision = until after June 20? LTPC does not have a sales force to sell insurance = to these people and the affinity partners contract will end on June 20. = I would think that the affinity group would want you to follow-up to = make them happy. There was some talk that LTPC might sell you the leads = after June 20. (This won't happen. The affinity partnrs won't allow the = names to be sold, especially if they think another group will eventually = come to them and have a deal like the one they had with LTPC). If that = idea became reality it would prove you could work existing leads, or old = leads as long as you wanted. LTCA could not sell you these leads, they = did not own them. This week they were instructed to send all leads in a = market to the agents. The reason- LTPC would like sales on those leads = by June 20, if there are no sales they know they will never see any = revenue from them. Mark Durkin ----- Original Message ----- From: Doug Burg Sent: Saturday, May 24, 2003 9:18 AM To: ltpc-disc@ltpcalums.com Subject: [LTPC-disc] Fw: Health Insurance ----- Original Message -----=20 From: MrOnopa@aol.com=20 To: doug@dougburg.com=20 Sent: Friday, May 23, 2003 5:22 PM Subject: (no subject) Doug,=20 It appears that most all of us will be paying more for health = insurance, especially those over 55. Some may not even be able to obtain = it.=20 Cendant should allow us to stay on the existing plan at the same rate = for up to three years. And if you are 60 or older, until you qualify for = medicare.=20 If you count the number of us over 55, a case could be made for some = type of discrimination.=20 Ron Onopa = --Boundary_(ID_22QAXbb4pLesbiffzgIJMw) Content-type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT
 
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Sent: Saturday, May 24, 2003 9:43 AM
Subject: Re: [LTPC-disc] Fw: Health Insurance

I wanted to reply to two messages I've seen.
 
Health Insurance:  The law is 18 months of COBRA, they are not going to offer 3 years.  There is no evidence of discrimination-the company virtually is closing its doors and eliminating the entire sales force, etc.
 
Existing policyholders:  The contract is intended to stop agents who leave the company from working leads they take with them and trying to get existing policy holders to switch ltc policies.  You can service policyholders, even offer them other products, like prepaid funerals.  Since LTPC does not offer any products to existing policy holders anything other than ltci would not be a competitive product. 
 
Leads you have not sold are an interesting issue.  Who owns the names of the people that you are currently contacting but may not make a decision until after June 20?  LTPC does not have a sales force to sell insurance to these people and the affinity partners contract will end on June 20.  I would think that the affinity group would want you to follow-up to make them happy.  There was some talk that LTPC might sell you the leads after June 20. (This won't happen.  The affinity partnrs won't allow the names to be sold, especially if they think another group will eventually come to them and have a deal like the one they had with LTPC).   If that idea became reality it would prove you could work existing leads, or old leads as long as you wanted.  LTCA could not sell you these leads, they did not own them.  This week they were instructed to send all leads in a market to the agents.  The reason- LTPC would like sales on those leads by June 20, if there are no sales they know they will never see any revenue from them.
 
Mark Durkin
 
 
----- Original Message -----
From: Doug Burg
Sent: Saturday, May 24, 2003 9:18 AM
To: ltpc-disc@ltpcalums.com
Subject: [LTPC-disc] Fw: Health Insurance
 
 
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Friday, May 23, 2003 5:22 PM
Subject: (no subject)

Doug,
It appears that most all of us will be paying more for health insurance, especially those over 55. Some may not even be able to obtain it.
Cendant should allow us to stay on the existing plan at the same rate for up to three years. And if you are 60 or older, until you qualify for medicare.
If you count the number of us over 55, a case could be made for some type of discrimination.
Ron Onopa
--Boundary_(ID_22QAXbb4pLesbiffzgIJMw)-- From "ltcmd-ltpcalums:com-ltpc-disc-owner"@ltpcalums.com Sat May 24 10:07:19 2003 Return-Path: <"ltcmd-ltpcalums:com-ltpc-disc-owner"@ltpcalums.com> Delivered-To: ltpc-disc@four.pairlist.net Received: from niwun.pair.com (niwun.pair.com [209.68.2.70]) by four.pairlist.net (Postfix) with SMTP id E2874DB5F for ; Sat, 24 May 2003 10:07:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 44543 invoked by uid 3128); 24 May 2003 14:07:19 -0000 Delivered-To: ltcmd-ltpcalums:com-ltpc-disc@ltpcalums.com Received: (qmail 44539 invoked from network); 24 May 2003 14:07:19 -0000 Received: from smtp-out.comcast.net (24.153.64.109) by niwun.pair.com with SMTP; 24 May 2003 14:07:19 -0000 Received: from sharisbox (pcp221283pcs.elkrdg01.md.comcast.net [68.55.213.15]) by mtaout05.icomcast.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.14 (built Mar 18 2003)) with SMTP id <0HFE001AU9UQB4@mtaout05.icomcast.net> for ltpc-disc@ltpcalums.com; Sat, 24 May 2003 10:06:27 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sat, 24 May 2003 10:11:22 -0400 From: Doug Burg To: ltpc-disc@ltpcalums.com Reply-To: Doug Burg Message-id: <00b501c321fe$5b20ec80$0fd53744@elkrdg01.md.comcast.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_qMOteIbvwbVjyalBhs7hPw)" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <00a601c321fc$abbd7020$0fd53744@elkrdg01.md.comcast.net> Subject: [LTPC-disc] How to use this mailing list... Sender: ltpc-disc-admin@ltpcalums.com Errors-To: ltpc-disc-admin@ltpcalums.com X-BeenThere: ltpc-disc@ltpcalums.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.6 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Discussions about the shutdown of LTPC List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , List-Archive: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --Boundary_(ID_qMOteIbvwbVjyalBhs7hPw) Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT If you want to reply to a message, you have two options: Option 1 - Send the reply to the Sender only - Click the REPLY button (goes to sender only) Option 2 - Send the reply to the entire mailing list (the sender will get a copy too). - Click the REPLY ALL button (goes to entire list + sender). Enjoy! Doug Burg http://www.ltpcalums.com --Boundary_(ID_qMOteIbvwbVjyalBhs7hPw) Content-type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT
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--Boundary_(ID_qMOteIbvwbVjyalBhs7hPw)-- From "ltcmd-ltpcalums:com-ltpc-disc-owner"@ltpcalums.com Sat May 24 23:14:25 2003 Return-Path: <"ltcmd-ltpcalums:com-ltpc-disc-owner"@ltpcalums.com> Delivered-To: ltpc-disc@four.pairlist.net Received: from niwun.pair.com (niwun.pair.com [209.68.2.70]) by four.pairlist.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 326DADD4A for ; Sat, 24 May 2003 23:14:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 60521 invoked by uid 3128); 25 May 2003 03:14:25 -0000 Delivered-To: ltcmd-ltpcalums:com-ltpc-disc@ltpcalums.com Received: (qmail 60518 invoked from network); 25 May 2003 03:14:25 -0000 Received: from smtp-out.comcast.net (24.153.64.113) by niwun.pair.com with SMTP; 25 May 2003 03:14:25 -0000 Received: from sharisbox (pcp221283pcs.elkrdg01.md.comcast.net [68.55.213.15]) by mtaout03.icomcast.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.14 (built Mar 18 2003)) with SMTP id <0HFF009AJAAG71@mtaout03.icomcast.net> for ltpc-disc@ltpcalums.com; Sat, 24 May 2003 23:13:29 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sat, 24 May 2003 23:18:20 -0400 From: Doug Burg To: ltpc-disc@ltpcalums.com Reply-To: Doug Burg Message-id: <001401c3226c$4b42fec0$0fd53744@elkrdg01.md.comcast.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal Subject: [LTPC-disc] Fw: Day 2 Sender: ltpc-disc-admin@ltpcalums.com Errors-To: ltpc-disc-admin@ltpcalums.com X-BeenThere: ltpc-disc@ltpcalums.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.6 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Discussions about the shutdown of LTPC List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , List-Archive: Sent: Saturday, May 24, 2003 4:31 PM Subject: Fw: Day 2 > Hello X-LTPC'ers, > > Here's a message from Mike Findling - Thanks Mike - Let me add, even though > it is a "bogus concept" it at least might be the ACTUAL reason that Progeny > has decided to take us out of the loop. As I said yesterday, there just IS > NOT any contractual language that would enable Progeny to take us out of the > loop - There are some of us who have gone straight to the carriers to > complain about this - I would suggest that you all do the same. If the > carriers want to, they can start sending our mail directly to us after 6/20, > IF the carriers want to. What we ALL need to do is make sure that the > carriers know how we feel about this. Thanks folks! > > Jon Christopher > jondc@xmission.com > (801)544-5988 > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Saturday, May 24, 2003 6:22 AM > Subject: Re: Day 2 > > > > Jon >Thanks for the Day 2 memo. I was thinking about what Jennifer Hardin said the other day to an LTPC agent about the fact that LTPC couldn't find an > economical way to keep the ex-LTPC agents informed about their customers service related issues after 6/20. That is a bogus concept. What about the renewal >stream they are stealing from the non-vested agents? They can use that money (obtained less than honestly) to the purpose of keeping ex-LTPC agents informed. > >Just a thought. >Mike Findling > > > > > > From "ltcmd-ltpcalums:com-ltpc-disc-owner"@ltpcalums.com Sun May 25 17:11:01 2003 Return-Path: <"ltcmd-ltpcalums:com-ltpc-disc-owner"@ltpcalums.com> Delivered-To: ltpc-disc@four.pairlist.net Received: from niwun.pair.com (niwun.pair.com [209.68.2.70]) by four.pairlist.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 6469EDD23 for ; Sun, 25 May 2003 17:11:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 46614 invoked by uid 3128); 25 May 2003 21:11:01 -0000 Delivered-To: ltcmd-ltpcalums:com-ltpc-disc@ltpcalums.com Received: (qmail 46611 invoked from network); 25 May 2003 21:11:01 -0000 Received: from imo-m04.mx.aol.com (64.12.136.7) by niwun.pair.com with SMTP; 25 May 2003 21:11:01 -0000 Received: from BillPeggy@aol.com by imo-m04.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v36.3.) id 5.1c2.a19ae27 (24895) for ; Sun, 25 May 2003 17:10:55 -0400 (EDT) From: BillPeggy@aol.com Message-ID: <1c2.a19ae27.2c028b5e@aol.com> Date: Sun, 25 May 2003 17:10:54 EDT To: ltpc-disc@ltpcalums.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_1c2.a19ae27.2c028b5e_boundary" X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 6011 Subject: [LTPC-disc] LTC Career Sender: ltpc-disc-admin@ltpcalums.com Errors-To: ltpc-disc-admin@ltpcalums.com X-BeenThere: ltpc-disc@ltpcalums.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.6 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Discussions about the shutdown of LTPC List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , List-Archive: --part1_1c2.a19ae27.2c028b5e_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Noticed that the LTPC "Career Sales Info" is still up and running on the LTPC website..."Curious"...it states that with LTPC you can have "residual income potential up to 100K in five years"...(That means you would have to produce over 320,000 in paid business each year for 5 years)...I would guess we had "less than" 2% of our agents reach that level....Would that be considered "deceptive and/or "misleading" information....just curious --part1_1c2.a19ae27.2c028b5e_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Noticed that the LTPC "Career Sales Info" is still up=20= and running on the LTPC website..."Curious"...it states that w= ith LTPC you can have "residual income potential up to 100K in= five years"...(That means you would have to produce over 320,000 in paid bu= siness each year for 5 years)...I would guess we had "less than" 2% of our a= gents reach that level....Would that be considered "deceptive and/or "mislea= ding" information....just curious --part1_1c2.a19ae27.2c028b5e_boundary-- From "ltcmd-ltpcalums:com-ltpc-disc-owner"@ltpcalums.com Sun May 25 18:38:14 2003 Return-Path: <"ltcmd-ltpcalums:com-ltpc-disc-owner"@ltpcalums.com> Delivered-To: ltpc-disc@four.pairlist.net Received: from niwun.pair.com (niwun.pair.com [209.68.2.70]) by four.pairlist.net (Postfix) with SMTP id EAFADDD72 for ; Sun, 25 May 2003 18:38:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 63840 invoked by uid 3128); 25 May 2003 22:38:14 -0000 Delivered-To: ltcmd-ltpcalums:com-ltpc-disc@ltpcalums.com Received: (qmail 63837 invoked from network); 25 May 2003 22:38:14 -0000 Received: from smtp-out.comcast.net (24.153.64.115) by niwun.pair.com with SMTP; 25 May 2003 22:38:14 -0000 Received: from sharisbox (pcp221283pcs.elkrdg01.md.comcast.net [68.55.213.15]) by mtaout02.icomcast.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.12 (built Feb 13 2003)) with SMTP id <0HFG001FYS7PF7@mtaout02.icomcast.net> for ltpc-disc@ltpcalums.com; Sun, 25 May 2003 18:38:14 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sun, 25 May 2003 18:43:06 -0400 From: Doug Burg Subject: Re: [LTPC-disc] LTC Career To: ltpc-disc@ltpcalums.com Reply-To: Doug Burg Message-id: <006a01c3230f$02440680$0fd53744@elkrdg01.md.comcast.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_au1d17Du1c6YLJQd+GYbRg)" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <1c2.a19ae27.2c028b5e@aol.com> Sender: ltpc-disc-admin@ltpcalums.com Errors-To: ltpc-disc-admin@ltpcalums.com X-BeenThere: ltpc-disc@ltpcalums.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.6 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Discussions about the shutdown of LTPC List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , List-Archive: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --Boundary_(ID_au1d17Du1c6YLJQd+GYbRg) Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Bill, Go ahead an print that page out -- never know when you might want to use that in a lawsuit. Nice job! Anyone else have any other misleading info from LTPC/Progeny/Cendant ? Anyone save any of those memo's over the years? Thanks... Doug Burg ----- Original Message ----- From: BillPeggy@aol.com To: ltpc-disc@ltpcalums.com Sent: Sunday, May 25, 2003 5:10 PM Subject: [LTPC-disc] LTC Career Noticed that the LTPC "Career Sales Info" is still up and running on the LTPC website..."Curious"...it states that with LTPC you can have "residual income potential up to 100K in five years"...(That means you would have to produce over 320,000 in paid business each year for 5 years)...I would guess we had "less than" 2% of our agents reach that level....Would that be considered "deceptive and/or "misleading" information....just curious --Boundary_(ID_au1d17Du1c6YLJQd+GYbRg) Content-type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT
Bill,
 
Go ahead an print that page out -- never know when you might want to use that in a lawsuit.
 
Nice job!  Anyone else have any other misleading info from LTPC/Progeny/Cendant ?
 
Anyone save any of those memo's over the years?
 
Thanks...
Doug Burg
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Sent: Sunday, May 25, 2003 5:10 PM
Subject: [LTPC-disc] LTC Career

Noticed that the LTPC "Career Sales Info" is still up and running on the LTPC website..."Curious"...it states that with LTPC you can have "residual income potential up to 100K in five years"...(That means you would have to produce over 320,000 in paid business each year for 5 years)...I would guess we had "less than" 2% of our agents reach that level....Would that be considered "deceptive and/or "misleading" information....just curious
--Boundary_(ID_au1d17Du1c6YLJQd+GYbRg)-- From "ltcmd-ltpcalums:com-ltpc-disc-owner"@ltpcalums.com Sun May 25 20:14:16 2003 Return-Path: <"ltcmd-ltpcalums:com-ltpc-disc-owner"@ltpcalums.com> Delivered-To: ltpc-disc@four.pairlist.net Received: from niwun.pair.com (niwun.pair.com [209.68.2.70]) by four.pairlist.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 1DA59DCE0 for ; Sun, 25 May 2003 20:14:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 79216 invoked by uid 3128); 26 May 2003 00:14:15 -0000 Delivered-To: ltcmd-ltpcalums:com-ltpc-disc@ltpcalums.com Received: (qmail 79210 invoked from network); 26 May 2003 00:14:15 -0000 Received: from scaup.mail.pas.earthlink.net (207.217.120.49) by niwun.pair.com with SMTP; 26 May 2003 00:14:15 -0000 Received: from user-2ivep0q.dialup.mindspring.com ([165.247.100.26] helo=NewDell) by scaup.mail.pas.earthlink.net with smtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 19K5cx-0001c2-00 for ltpc-disc@ltpcalums.com; Sun, 25 May 2003 17:14:11 -0700 Message-ID: <000801c3231b$cd955170$0100a8c0@NewDell> Reply-To: "Doug Burg" From: "Doug Burg" To: Date: Sun, 25 May 2003 20:14:39 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0005_01C322FA.45338AC0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: [LTPC-disc] {*URGENT*} - LTPC: Lies, Lies and more Lies... Sender: ltpc-disc-admin@ltpcalums.com Errors-To: ltpc-disc-admin@ltpcalums.com X-BeenThere: ltpc-disc@ltpcalums.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.6 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Discussions about the shutdown of LTPC List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , List-Archive: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0005_01C322FA.45338AC0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable We have all been associated with LTPC for various amounts of time. = Different promises were made to each of us at different times. Some of = those promises were in writing, some were verbal and some were implied. = I believe that those of us who have lost out the most (or who have been = damaged the most) are those folks who were with us long enough to have = some success but not long enough to get vested. And I think that = LTPC/Progeny may have been guilty of mis-representing the situation @ = LTPC over the last year or so. One simple example is LEADS. We were all promised implicitly and = explicitly that we would be provided with good quality leads. How many = among us feel that this promise was kept over the last year? I have assembled a series of files from the LTPC.com website. I think = that they contain damaging evidence of LTPC's neglience and their = mis-representation. You be the judge. You can Download the files by RIGHT-CLICKING on each link and selecting = "Save As". Each file is an ADOBE PDF - you will need the free Adobe = Acrobat Reader from http://www.adobe.com if you don't have it or if you = don't have the latest version. File List: http://www.ltc-info.com/ltpc_info/LTPC_BS_01.pdf http://www.ltc-info.com/ltpc_info/LTPC_BS_02.pdf http://www.ltc-info.com/ltpc_info/LTPC_BS_03.pdf http://www.ltc-info.com/ltpc_info/LTPC_BS_04.pdf http://www.ltc-info.com/ltpc_info/LTPC_BS_05.pdf http://www.ltc-info.com/ltpc_info/LTPC_BS_06.pdf http://www.ltc-info.com/ltpc_info/LTPC_BS_07.pdf http://www.ltc-info.com/ltpc_info/LTPC_BS_08.pdf http://www.ltc-info.com/ltpc_info/LTPC_BS_09.pdf http://www.ltc-info.com/ltpc_info/LTPC_BS_10.pdf http://www.ltc-info.com/ltpc_info/LTPC_BS_11.pdf http://www.ltc-info.com/ltpc_info/LTPC_BS_12.pdf http://www.ltc-info.com/ltpc_info/LTPC_BS_13.pdf http://www.ltc-info.com/ltpc_info/LTPC_BS_14.pdf http://www.ltc-info.com/ltpc_info/LTPC_BS_15.pdf http://www.ltc-info.com/ltpc_info/LTPC_BS_16.pdf http://www.ltc-info.com/ltpc_info/LTPC_BS_17.pdf http://www.ltc-info.com/ltpc_info/LTPC_BS_18.pdf http://www.ltc-info.com/ltpc_info/LTPC_BS_19.pdf http://www.ltc-info.com/ltpc_info/LTPC_BS_20.pdf http://www.ltc-info.com/ltpc_info/LTPC_BS_21.pdf http://www.ltc-info.com/ltpc_info/LTPC_BS_22.pdf Ok, here are a few questions to think about: 1. Did LTPC provide the training for new agents that they advertised, = especially in the last year, and especially the part about "follow-up" = after sales school... see LTPC_BS_02.pdf 2. Did LTPC provide qualified leads as they promised in all or most = markets? see LTPC_BS_03.pdf 3. Did LTPC provide a turn-key marketing program to affinity groups = with PROVEN RESULTS (especially over the last year) - see LTPC_BS_04.pdf 4. Residual Income up to 100K in 5 yrs? Who are they kidding... see = LTPC_BS_01.pdf 5. Build up a long-term residual income? Yeah right, with the way they = are going to bungle it.... see LTPC_BS_01.pdf 6. Did they thoroughly train us on new products? In the last year the = support was awful. I often found out about new product info from = outside brokers before LTPC notified us... see LTPC_BS_03.pdf 7. Has LTPC successfully abided by all laws related to the = distribution of insurance in each state and under each corporate = office/name? Idea: Why not go over the laws in YOUR STATE and see if we = can find examples of where LTPC may have violated the law in your state. = See LTPC_BS_07.pdf for a list of corporate locations and corporate = names. Does anyone have any good attorney's in their local state as a = client? 8. *** BIG LIE HERE**** See LTPC_BS_08.pdf & LTPC_BS_15.pdf -- They = said their mission was to improve the economic well-being and quality of = life of among others, TEAM MEMBERS. Ha ha ha. 9. So LTPC says they maintain personal integrity among sales teams? = How about the managers who never followed-up to help their agents. How = about the home office staff that didn't support the field force? How = back the non-existent field training after sales school? see = LTPC_BS_09.pdf 10. Did those agents ACTUALLY say those things? Is LTPC lying? see = LTPC_BS_09.pdf Sidebar: If I was one of those agents, I would be pretty ticked about = LTPC still using my name and reputation to promote such a lousy company, = especially since many of those agents left some time ago. Ouch. 11. Progeny has been built on respect for the individual? Since when? = If so, then why is Dan T. trying to take a crap in our faces? Give me a = freaking break. See LTPC_BS_10.pdf 12. Deceptive Marketing to the MAX.... see LTPC_BS_13.pdf 13. Liar liar, pants on fire... they say that LTPC is the only national = LTC sales force not tied to an insurance company? Give me a break. = They have been shoveling CNA down our throats for the last year despite = the fact that CNA has and was going to CRAP. Liars. see LTPC_BS_14.pdf = (Sorry, I guess I'm getting a little mad reading this crap and thinking = about all of the lies). 14. Yeah right... Continuing experimentation, research/development? = Rapid product innovation? I've been asking for annunities for years. = Unchanging belief in personal and professional integrity? Since when? = Not under Dan T's tenure. Liars. See LTPC_BS_16.pdf And there is surely more that I'm not thinking of... OK, now here's a = quiz... What does the "BS" stand for in each of these file names? = Betcha can't guess. Ladies & Gents, I think we have some good basis for looking into legal = recourse. Ultimately there are several things LTPC/Progeny could do = willingly for us that would abate much of our anger. Here are some = ideas: 1. Vest everyone @ 7% 2. Provide an additional year of company paid benefits for each three = years of service 3. Instruct each carrier to mail us the same notices that they mail to = LTPC -- in other words, carbon copy us on everything 4. Allow us to deliver our policies are 6/20 5. Allow us to work with our clients to facilitate conservation of = business which is mutually beneficial 6. Stop treating us like leppars 7. Pay out all bonus's due in 2003 by 7/1/03 8. Credit all app submitted after 1/1/03 toward vesting since the = service @LTPC has been non-existent this year. 9. Allow us to work the leads that we have after 6/20 that are not = affinity. 10. Thoroughly audit all commissions paid for the last five years and =