[LTPC-discussions] Unappropriate Message: MakiLogic@aol.com
JEFF CANNELL
ltpc-disc@ltpcalums.com
Wed, 18 Jun 2003 21:36:55 -0400
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Bud,
This is exactly why this website has moved into this next phase of =
discussion. Lawyers and such. Can we honestly say we even have a case, =
let alone winnable. Inevitably, I think we will have to consult a lawyer =
and put together a board who we can get behind and support. I'm one of =
those nu-ees that lost a few thousand in renewals.I'm not going to =
totally forget what happened. Especially for people who lost much more =
than me. I however have made choices and am moving on to another =
company. Lets get more organized, give our total support to Doug, and in =
my humble opinion wait for him to get back to us on what he thinks next =
steps should be,
Jeff
----- Original Message -----=20
From: Bud=20
To: ltpc-disc@ltpcalums.com=20
Sent: Wednesday, June 18, 2003 9:04 PM
Subject: Re: [LTPC-discussions] Unappropriate Message: =
MakiLogic@aol.com
Hey Gang, don't all jump on me at once. I have always been one to =
fight for what I feel is right. Other then the right to contact our =
clients, what other matters should be discussed or pursued that were not =
in the contract.What legal stance do we have?
----- Original Message -----=20
From: Ray Voelkle=20
To: ltpc-disc@ltpcalums.com=20
Sent: Wednesday, June 18, 2003 7:13 PM
Subject: Re: [LTPC-discussions] Unappropriate Message: =
MakiLogic@aol.com
With all due respect to Bud, I agree Ben. We cannot stand idle and =
let the parent company take advantage of us the way they are attempting =
to. If we sit idly by and let them call the shots and say nothing, then =
they have won, and we have lost. We only want fairness. We need =
everyone who feels they have been wronged by this company to unite and =
fight for what is rightfully ours. =20
Ray
----- Original Message -----=20
From: Ben Polis=20
To: ltpc-disc@ltpcalums.com=20
Sent: Wednesday, June 18, 2003 4:26 PM
Subject: Re: [LTPC-discussions] Unappropriate Message: =
MakiLogic@aol.com
I'm sorry, Bud, but everyone has a right to his or her opinion and =
what is or is not important to them in life. And what people do with =
their time is their own business. You may be entirely correct that all =
of this effort is for naught, but we will never know unless it is =
investigated. It is not inappropriate for anyone to find out if he or =
she was wronged by an employer, especially when the employer has so much =
to gain and its employees so much to loose. As we speak, these issues =
are being looked into by labor law attorneys and the NLRB, both as to =
the agent contracts and the actions of the company and its officers over =
the past few years and months. If the opinions are that no laws were =
violated, then we move on. However, if these entities believe we have =
some grounds to pursue, then we will be presented with our options and =
costs so we can decide if we want to pursue our legal rights as wronged =
employees. Given the past track record of the parent company, is it out =
of the question that we, as employees, should not be suspicious of back =
room wrongdoing? I, and alot of others, don't believe it is wrong and =
we have laws in place to allow us to pursue the answers to our questions =
and concerns.
Yes, Bud, the bit---ing and moaning does get a bit spirited at =
times, and we all handle our anger and pain in different ways. Live and =
let live. If a person does not like what channel the radio or TV is on, =
then he or she has the option of turning it off by following Doug's =
instructions on how to remove oneself from the reception. If by some =
far stretch of the imagination we find out that some concessions or =
compensation is legally and rightfully ours and we attain them, then I =
trust you will gracefully not accept them. Doug handled the recent, =
more spirited banter properly and professionally. I, too, agree that we =
need to concentrate our efforts on constructive measures to see if we =
are legally entitled to what may have been taken from us in the =
corporate world, and less on personal attacks on this bulletin board. I =
have previously vented my anger, but now I have decided to channel that =
anger into seeking the proper legal advice while at the same time =
"putting the bread on the table," to quote a phrase from someone we all =
admire and respect. I hope you can see it from this standpoint and join =
us because we could always use a man of your knowledge and experience on =
our team.
----- Original Message -----=20
From: Bud=20
To: ltpc-disc@ltpcalums.com=20
Sent: Wednesday, June 18, 2003 2:16 PM
Subject: Re: [LTPC-discussions] Unappropriate Message: =
MakiLogic@aol.com
I envy those that have the time to complain over and over, =
discuss PPL and all of the other matters. Why don't we all get on with =
life and more important matters.
----- Original Message -----=20
From: Doug Burg=20
To: ltpc-disc@ltpcalums.com=20
Sent: Wednesday, June 18, 2003 12:19 PM
Subject: [LTPC-discussions] Unappropriate Message: =
MakiLogic@aol.com
That is not acceptable behavior on this mailing list. Please =
don't post these types of messages anymore or I will limit your ability =
to post messages. Sorry.
Thanks,
Doug Burg
----- Original Message -----=20
From: MakiLogic@aol.com=20
To: ltpc-disc@ltpcalums.com=20
Sent: Wednesday, June 18, 2003 12:07 PM
Subject: Re: [LTPC-discussions] FYI about PrePaid Legal
In a message dated 6/18/03 11:00:21 AM Central Daylight =
Time, AZSOLD@aol.com writes:
enough on PPL. Please
*DELETE*..... fabulous little rider provided with every =
email.
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<DIV>Bud,</DIV>
<DIV> This is exactly why this website has moved into this next =
phase of=20
discussion. Lawyers and such. Can we honestly say we even have a case, =
let alone=20
winnable. Inevitably, I think we will have to consult a lawyer and put =
together=20
a board who we can get behind and support. I'm one of those nu-ees =
that=20
lost a few thousand in renewals.I'm not going to totally forget what =
happened.=20
Especially for people who lost much more than me. I however have made =
choices=20
and am moving on to another company. Lets get more organized, give our =
total=20
support to Doug, and in my humble opinion wait for him to get back to us =
on what=20
he thinks next steps should be,</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Jeff</DIV>
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<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>From:</B> <A=20
href=3D"mailto:hmarc@comcast.net">Bud</A> </DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A=20
href=3D"mailto:ltpc-disc@ltpcalums.com">ltpc-disc@ltpcalums.com</A> =
</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, June 18, 2003 =
9:04=20
PM</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [LTPC-discussions] =
Unappropriate Message: <A=20
href=3D"mailto:MakiLogic@aol.com">MakiLogic@aol.com</A></DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Hey Gang, don't all jump on me at =
once. I have=20
always been one to fight for what I feel is right. Other then the =
right to=20
contact our clients, what other matters should be discussed or pursued =
that=20
were not in the contract.What legal stance do we have?</FONT></DIV>
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BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px">
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
<DIV=20
style=3D"BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: =
black"><B>From:</B>=20
<A href=3D"mailto:r.voelkle@erols.com">Ray Voelkle</A> </DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A=20
href=3D"mailto:ltpc-disc@ltpcalums.com">ltpc-disc@ltpcalums.com</A> =
</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, June 18, =
2003 7:13=20
PM</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: =
[LTPC-discussions]=20
Unappropriate Message: <A=20
href=3D"mailto:MakiLogic@aol.com">MakiLogic@aol.com</A></DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>With all due respect to Bud, I =
agree Ben. =20
We cannot stand idle and let the parent company take advantage of us =
the way=20
they are attempting to. If we sit idly by and let them call =
the shots=20
and say nothing, then they have won, and we have lost. We only =
want=20
fairness. We need everyone who feels they have been wronged by =
this=20
company to unite and fight for what is rightfully ours. =
</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Ray</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- =
</DIV>
<DIV=20
style=3D"BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: =
black"><B>From:</B>=20
<A href=3D"mailto:bpolis51@bellsouth.net">Ben Polis</A> </DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A=20
=
href=3D"mailto:ltpc-disc@ltpcalums.com">ltpc-disc@ltpcalums.com</A> =
</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, June 18, =
2003 4:26=20
PM</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: =
[LTPC-discussions]=20
Unappropriate Message: <A=20
href=3D"mailto:MakiLogic@aol.com">MakiLogic@aol.com</A></DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I'm sorry, Bud, but everyone has =
a right to=20
his or her opinion and what is or is not important to them in =
life. =20
And what people do with their time is their own business. =
You may be=20
entirely correct that all of this effort is for naught, but we =
will never=20
know unless it is investigated. It is not inappropriate =
for=20
anyone to find out if he or she was wronged by an employer, =
especially=20
when the employer has so much to gain and its employees so much to =
loose. As we speak, these issues are being looked into by =
labor law=20
attorneys and the NLRB, both as to the agent contracts and the =
actions of=20
the company and its officers over the past few years and =
months. =20
If the opinions are that no laws were violated, then we =
move=20
on. However, if these entities believe we have some grounds =
to=20
pursue, then we will be presented with our options and costs so we =
can=20
decide if we want to pursue our legal rights as wronged =
employees. =20
Given the past track record of the parent company, is it out of =
the=20
question that we, as employees, should not be suspicious of back =
room=20
wrongdoing? I, and alot of others, don't believe it is wrong =
and we=20
have laws in place to allow us to pursue the answers to our =
questions and=20
concerns.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Yes, Bud, the bit---ing and =
moaning does get=20
a bit spirited at times, and we all handle our anger and pain in =
different=20
ways. Live and let live. If a person does not like =
what=20
channel the radio or TV is on, then he or she has the option of =
turning it=20
off by following Doug's instructions on how to remove oneself from =
the=20
reception. If by some far stretch of the imagination we find =
out=20
that some concessions or compensation is legally and rightfully =
ours and=20
we attain them, then I trust you will gracefully not =
accept=20
them. Doug handled the recent, more spirited banter properly =
and=20
professionally. I, too, agree that we need to concentrate =
our=20
efforts on constructive measures to see if we are legally entitled =
to what=20
may have been taken from us in the corporate world, and less on =
personal=20
attacks on this bulletin board. I have previously =
vented my=20
anger, but now I have decided to channel that anger into seeking =
the=20
proper legal advice while at the same time "putting the bread on =
the=20
table," to quote a phrase from someone we all admire and=20
respect. I hope you can see it from this standpoint and join =
us=20
because we could always use a man of your knowledge and experience =
on our=20
team.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV>----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
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<DIV=20
style=3D"BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: =
black"><B>From:</B>=20
<A href=3D"mailto:hmarc@comcast.net">Bud</A> </DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A=20
=
href=3D"mailto:ltpc-disc@ltpcalums.com">ltpc-disc@ltpcalums.com</A> =
</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, June 18, =
2003 2:16=20
PM</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: =
[LTPC-discussions]=20
Unappropriate Message: <A=20
href=3D"mailto:MakiLogic@aol.com">MakiLogic@aol.com</A></DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I envy those that have the time =
to complain=20
over and over, discuss PPL and all of the other matters. Why =
don't we=20
all get on with life and more important matters.</FONT></DIV>
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style=3D"PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: =
5px; BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px">
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- =
</DIV>
<DIV=20
style=3D"BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: =
black"><B>From:</B>=20
<A href=3D"mailto:doug@dougburg.com">Doug Burg</A> </DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A=20
=
href=3D"mailto:ltpc-disc@ltpcalums.com">ltpc-disc@ltpcalums.com</A>=20
</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, June =
18, 2003=20
12:19 PM</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> =
[LTPC-discussions]=20
Unappropriate Message: <A=20
href=3D"mailto:MakiLogic@aol.com">MakiLogic@aol.com</A></DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>That is not acceptable =
behavior on this=20
mailing list. Please don't post these types of messages =
anymore=20
or I will limit your ability to post messages. =20
Sorry.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Thanks,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Doug Burg</FONT></DIV>
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</DIV>
<DIV=20
style=3D"BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: =
black"><B>From:</B>=20
<A href=3D"mailto:MakiLogic@aol.com">MakiLogic@aol.com</A> =
</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A=20
=
href=3D"mailto:ltpc-disc@ltpcalums.com">ltpc-disc@ltpcalums.com</A>=20
</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, June =
18, 2003=20
12:07 PM</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: =
[LTPC-discussions]=20
FYI about PrePaid Legal</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV><FONT face=3Darial,helvetica><FONT lang=3D0 =
face=3DArial=20
color=3D#8000ff size=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF">In a message =
dated 6/18/03=20
11:00:21 AM Central Daylight Time, <A=20
href=3D"mailto:AZSOLD@aol.com">AZSOLD@aol.com</A> =
writes:<BR><BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE=20
style=3D"PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: =
#0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"=20
TYPE=3D"CITE"></FONT><FONT lang=3D0 =
style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff"=20
face=3DArial color=3D#48a0e8 size=3D2 =
FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF">enough on=20
PPL. Please<BR></BLOCKQUOTE><BR></FONT><FONT =
lang=3D0=20
style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" face=3DArial =
color=3D#8000ff size=3D2=20
FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF"><BR>*DELETE*..... fabulous little rider =
provided=20
with every email.</FONT>=20
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