[LTPC-discussions] The Devil's Advocate
mark leonard
ltpc-disc@ltpcalums.com
Tue, 1 Jul 2003 08:08:56 -0400
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dear bill, don't give in to the darkside, may the force be with you.
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From: ltpc-disc-admin@ltpcalums.com
[mailto:ltpc-disc-admin@ltpcalums.com]On Behalf Of Ben Polis
Sent: Sunday, June 29, 2003 10:30 PM
To: ltpc-disc@ltpcalums.com
Subject: Re: [LTPC-discussions] The Devil's Advocate
Bill -- You and I have agreed on most everything posted over the past few
months, but your thoughts about Doug Burg are definitely unfounded. Doug
was an agent just like us and this forum is not sponsored by LTPC. Doug is
definitely behind the plight of LTPC agents -- vested and nonvested alike.
Unfortunately in the middle of all this he and his family moved from MD to a
new home in CO almost immediately after his first conversation with Cendant,
and was on the move during the second conversation. I realize it is
unsettling that none of us have gotten any information from those
conversations -- yet. But, please be patient, as I know this will be
foremost on Doug's mind once he and his family get settled in CO. Doug is
not part of the great Cendant conspiracy and he is committed to the fight --
if it is determined that we have grounds to fight on.
So, Bill, please understand that Doug will have given what he posts to us
considerable thought in so that there will be no misunderstanding or
misinterpretation of what he wants to convey to us. I hope that will you
reassess your "dark thoughts" and give Doug your full support, backing and
apology.
----- Original Message -----
From: William C. Walters
To: ltpc-disc@ltpcalums.com
Sent: Sunday, June 29, 2003 8:18 PM
Subject: RE: [LTPC-discussions] The Devil's Advocate
I am going to play the devil's advocate and wary skeptic to the chagrin
of some as recent events and lack of communication have raised some concern
as to where the campaign to resolve our grievances with Cendant is headed.
Too much is at stake to take for granted that this forum, which is
apparently being paid for and monitored by Cendant, is being used to further
our cause. I will accept any and all condemnation for the following
comments and I will plead Mia Culpa ad infinitum if my comments are
unwarranted. My comments are not to be taken as a personal attack or meant
to impugn the character of any individual. The purpose of this message is
to attempt to get some clarification as to Doug Burg's role in this
campaign. Is he representing Cendant or is he representing the LTPC Alumni.
I, as apparently all of us, have trusted that Doug Burg was our spokesman
and chief advocate in our fight to get reasonable, honorable and just
concessions from Cendant. Doug certainly has the qualifications as he was
in a key management position with LTPC. However that being said; The fact
that Doug was a key player at LTPC and the fact that Cendant is sponsoring
this forum could lead one to have the black thought that Doug is a double
agent and that the purpose of this forum is to have a place where the Alumni
can let off steam and dissipate their energy to continue the fight. I
sincerely hope that these dark thoughts are unfounded. The only one who can
clear them up is Doug. We cannot afford to take for granted that anyone is
working on our behalf unless we have a clearly stated commitment to the
cause, a clear statement as to what has been accomplished thus far and the
plan of action. Are we going to, as a group, seriously consider a class
action suit or are we going to trust that our grievances will be resolved to
our satisfaction by having Doug negotiate on our behalf. We have to
communicate our thoughts on these matters if we have any chance of getting
getting concessions. We may have to reorganize (we never were really
organized) and consider communicating outside of the Cendant paid forum.
Does anyone have any ideas as to how to accomplish this.
Again I plead Mia Culpa before the fact if any of these comments are
unfounded. Doug, please give us some answers and reassure us that you
committed to the fight.
B. Walters
From: ltpc-disc-admin@ltpcalums.com
[mailto:ltpc-disc-admin@ltpcalums.com]On Behalf Of Deb McCarthy
Sent: Sunday, June 29, 2003 5:30 PM
To: ltpc-disc@ltpcalums.com
Subject: Re: [LTPC-discussions] Maybe we should talk to them?
Doug is in the processing of moving...... this is not his priority at
the moment.......chill
----- Original Message -----
From: Flowerssusan@aol.com
To: ltpc-disc@ltpcalums.com
Sent: Sunday, June 29, 2003 4:15 PM
Subject: Re: [LTPC-discussions] Maybe we should talk to them?
I'm not sure, but I think we've all been waiting for Doug to get
back to us regarding the phone call he had with Progeny (has it been 3 weeks
now?). His reticence about this seems a little strange to me. How much
longer will we wait?
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<DIV><SPAN class=3D642180612-01072003><FONT face=3D"Comic Sans MS" =
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size=3D2>dear bill, don't give in to the darkside, may the force be with =
you.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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<DIV class=3DOutlookMessageHeader dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><FONT =
face=3DTahoma=20
size=3D2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B>=20
ltpc-disc-admin@ltpcalums.com =
[mailto:ltpc-disc-admin@ltpcalums.com]<B>On=20
Behalf Of </B>Ben Polis<BR><B>Sent:</B> Sunday, June 29, 2003 10:30=20
PM<BR><B>To:</B> ltpc-disc@ltpcalums.com<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re:=20
[LTPC-discussions] The Devil's Advocate<BR><BR></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Bill -- You and I have agreed on most =
everything=20
posted over the past few months, but your thoughts about Doug Burg are =
definitely unfounded. Doug was an agent just like us and this =
forum is=20
not sponsored by LTPC. Doug is definitely behind the plight of =
LTPC=20
agents -- vested and nonvested alike. Unfortunately in the =
middle of all=20
this he and his family moved from MD to a new home in CO almost =
immediately=20
after his first conversation with Cendant, and was on the move during =
the=20
second conversation. I realize it is unsettling that none of us =
have=20
gotten any information from those conversations -- yet. But, =
please be=20
patient, as I know this will be foremost on Doug's mind once he and =
his family=20
get settled in CO. Doug is not part of the great Cendant =
conspiracy and=20
he is committed to the fight -- if it is determined that we have =
grounds to=20
fight on.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>So, Bill, please understand that Doug =
will have=20
given what he posts to us considerable thought in so that there will =
be no=20
misunderstanding or misinterpretation of what he wants to convey to =
us. =20
I hope that will you reassess your "dark thoughts" and give Doug your =
full=20
support, backing and apology.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
<DIV=20
style=3D"BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: =
black"><B>From:</B>=20
<A title=3Dwilliamwalters@verizon.net=20
href=3D"mailto:williamwalters@verizon.net">William C. Walters</A> =
</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A =
title=3Dltpc-disc@ltpcalums.com=20
href=3D"mailto:ltpc-disc@ltpcalums.com">ltpc-disc@ltpcalums.com</A> =
</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Sunday, June 29, 2003 =
8:18=20
PM</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> RE: =
[LTPC-discussions] The=20
Devil's Advocate</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial><FONT color=3D#0000ff size=3D4><SPAN=20
class=3D330131023-29062003>I am going to play the devil's advocate =
and wary=20
skeptic to the chagrin of some as recent events and lack of =
communication=20
have raised some concern as to where the campaign to resolve =
our=20
grievances with Cendant is headed. Too much is at stake =
to take=20
for granted that this forum, which is apparently being paid for and=20
monitored by Cendant, is being used to further our =
cause. I will=20
accept any and all condemnation for the following comments and I =
will plead=20
Mia Culpa ad infinitum if my comments are unwarranted. My =
comments are=20
not to be taken as a personal attack or meant to impugn the =
character=20
of any individual. The purpose of this message is to =
attempt to=20
get some clarification as to Doug Burg's role in this =
campaign. Is he=20
representing Cendant or is he representing the LTPC =
Alumni. =20
I, as apparently all of us, have trusted that Doug Burg was our =
spokesman and chief advocate in our fight to get reasonable, =
honorable and=20
just concessions from Cendant. Doug certainly has the=20
qualifications as he was in a key management position with =
LTPC. =20
However that being said; The fact that Doug was a key player at LTPC =
and the=20
fact that Cendant is sponsoring this forum could lead one to have =
the black=20
thought that Doug is a double agent and that the purpose of this =
forum is to=20
have a place where the Alumni can let off steam and dissipate their =
energy=20
to continue the fight. I sincerely hope that these dark =
thoughts are=20
unfounded. The only one who can clear them up is Doug. =
We cannot=20
afford to take for granted that anyone is working on our behalf =
unless we=20
have a clearly stated commitment to the cause, a clear =
statement as to=20
what has been accomplished thus far and the plan of action. =
Are we=20
going to, as a group, seriously consider a class action suit or are =
we going=20
to trust that our grievances will be resolved to our satisfaction by =
having=20
Doug negotiate on our behalf. We have to communicate our =
thoughts on=20
these matters if we have any chance of getting getting=20
concessions. We may have to reorganize (we never were =
really=20
organized) and consider communicating outside of the Cendant paid=20
forum. Does anyone have any ideas as to how to accomplish =
this. =20
</SPAN></FONT></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D+0><FONT color=3D#0000ff><SPAN=20
class=3D330131023-29062003></SPAN></FONT></FONT><FONT=20
face=3D"Times New Roman"><SPAN class=3D330131023-29062003><FONT =
face=3DArial=20
color=3D#0000ff size=3D4>Again I plead Mia Culpa before the fact if =
any of these=20
comments are unfounded. Doug, please give us some answers=20
and reassure us that you committed to the=20
fight.</FONT></SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman"><FONT face=3DArial =
color=3D#0000ff=20
size=3D4><SPAN =
class=3D330131023-29062003></SPAN></FONT></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman"><FONT face=3DArial =
color=3D#0000ff=20
size=3D4><SPAN class=3D330131023-29062003>B. =
Walters</SPAN></FONT></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman"><FONT size=3D2><SPAN=20
class=3D330131023-29062003> </SPAN><STRONG>From:</STRONG>=20
ltpc-disc-admin@ltpcalums.com =
[mailto:ltpc-disc-admin@ltpcalums.com]<B>On=20
Behalf Of</B> Deb McCarthy<BR><B>Sent:</B> Sunday, June 29, 2003 =
5:30=20
PM<BR><B>To:</B> ltpc-disc@ltpcalums.com<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re:=20
[LTPC-discussions] Maybe we should talk to =
them?<BR><BR></DIV></FONT></FONT>
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Doug is in the processing of =
moving......=20
this is not his priority at the moment.......chill</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
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style=3D"BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: =
black"><B>From:</B>=20
<A title=3DFlowerssusan@aol.com=20
href=3D"mailto:Flowerssusan@aol.com">Flowerssusan@aol.com</A> =
</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A=20
title=3Dltpc-disc@ltpcalums.com=20
=
href=3D"mailto:ltpc-disc@ltpcalums.com">ltpc-disc@ltpcalums.com</A> =
</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Sunday, June 29, =
2003 4:15=20
PM</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: =
[LTPC-discussions]=20
Maybe we should talk to them?</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV><FONT face=3Darial,helvetica><FONT lang=3D0 =
face=3DArial size=3D2=20
FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF">I'm not sure, but I think we've all been =
waiting for=20
Doug to get back to us regarding the phone call he had with =
Progeny (has=20
it been 3 weeks now?). His reticence about this seems a little =
strange=20
to me. How much longer will we wait?</FONT>=20
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