[LTPC-discussions] LTPC Comment
Ben Polis
ltpc-disc@ltpcalums.com
Wed, 2 Jul 2003 12:36:58 -0400
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My apologies, Bob. I didn't mean to sink to that level. I won't happen =
again. I respect your right to have any opinion you wish. Please =
respect mine. My apologies to the group, as well.
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From: Bob Hadidian=20
To: ltpc-disc@ltpcalums.com=20
Sent: Wednesday, July 02, 2003 11:58 AM
Subject: Re: [LTPC-discussions] LTPC Comment
Ben,
Then why call me a BRAGGART? (name calling) I was simply making a =
point and trying to inspire others to greatness.
You have done nothing but criticize my opinion and demean my message =
in sarcastic tones and name calling of your own.
I've stated legal premise and you say I persecuted you. I've =
challenged people to improve their lot in life and you mock me. You take =
general comments made to a group, and take it personally.=20
It appears (note: speculation, not accusation ) that the only opinion =
you can 'tolerate' is your own.=20
Bob
----- Original Message -----=20
From: Ben Polis=20
To: ltpc-disc@ltpcalums.com=20
Sent: Wednesday, July 02, 2003 8:45 AM
Subject: Re: [LTPC-discussions] LTPC Comment
Richard -- There is no sense at this point to argue or try to =
reason. Everyone has his or her opinion, and that's the way it's going =
to be. We have to accept that, and move on with our efforts. I'm glad =
that there so many that are supporting an effort, while pursuing other =
endeavors, to see if we have any grounds for any legal action. I don't =
consider this a waste of time, and even if it was, my time is my time =
and no one has the right to criticize it, and we should not citicize =
others for their opinions, as well. Calling anyone a "loser" for =
pursuing a belief that is just and legal is just plain wrong. Shame on =
you.=20
I believe it would be interesting, however, if there can be an =
opinion rendered if renewals for vested agents are in jeopardy as a =
result of a class action suit. If there is a class action suit, doesn't =
that mean it's for the benefit of everyone, anyway?? Is everyone =
involved at that point anyway?? I don't know. If we do get a =
well-respected large law firm to accept this on a contingency basis, =
doesn't that add a lot of credibility to our efforts?? We have seen a =
lot of comments from the alum that state why we can't proceed with legal =
action. I ask the question, what is wrong with finding out, laying out =
our options, and proceeding as we wish?
Since I don't have to brag about what I make and what I do because =
(or who I hit the links with) I have high self-esteem for myself and am =
very good at what I do, I haven't stooped to this level, but to present =
the other side of the coin, here is my example. Since leaving LTPC, I =
have made over $16,000 all the while pursuing this endeavor. I channel =
my passion for long term care on the phone and in the home and leave my =
personal life, problems and negative baggage elsewhere. I don't believe =
anyone could be successful if they could not do that. My passion for =
fighting for what I believe is right and just is just as strong, and I =
am able to channel that when I need to and where I need to.
So, everyone, please stop the name calling. If you have a legal =
background, please, by all means, offer your opinion. State case law =
and not assumptions. Your choice -- join in or not -- but please allow =
those of us who choose to determine our legal options peace, and we will =
let those of you who choose not to join in the same peace. Thank you.=20
----- Original Message -----=20
From: ShampooRic@aol.com=20
To: ltpc-disc@ltpcalums.com=20
Sent: Wednesday, July 02, 2003 11:06 AM
Subject: Re: [LTPC-discussions] LTPC Comment
Interesting comments, but how would you classify some agent with =
$340,000 of business on the books that was a good loyal employee that =
might not get vested because of so little staff handling policies in =
home office and might lose thousands over the next ten years. Are they =
a 5 or a 6?
Richard
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>My apologies, Bob. I didn't mean =
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have any=20
opinion you wish. Please respect mine. My apologies to the =
group, as=20
well.</FONT></DIV>
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<A title=3Dbobhadidian@charter.net =
href=3D"mailto:bobhadidian@charter.net">Bob=20
Hadidian</A> </DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A =
title=3Dltpc-disc@ltpcalums.com=20
href=3D"mailto:ltpc-disc@ltpcalums.com">ltpc-disc@ltpcalums.com</A> =
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<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, July 02, 2003 =
11:58=20
AM</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [LTPC-discussions] =
LTPC=20
Comment</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Ben,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Then why call me a BRAGGART? (name =
calling) I was=20
simply making a point and trying to inspire others to =
greatness.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>You have done nothing but criticize =
my opinion=20
and demean my message in sarcastic tones and name calling of your=20
own.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I've stated legal premise and you say =
I=20
persecuted you. I've challenged people to improve their lot in life =
and you=20
mock me. You take general comments made to a group, and take it =
personally.=20
</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>It appears (note: speculation, not=20
accusation ) that the only opinion you can 'tolerate' is your =
own.=20
</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Bob</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
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<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
<DIV=20
style=3D"BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: =
black"><B>From:</B>=20
<A title=3Dbpolis51@bellsouth.net =
href=3D"mailto:bpolis51@bellsouth.net">Ben=20
Polis</A> </DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A =
title=3Dltpc-disc@ltpcalums.com=20
href=3D"mailto:ltpc-disc@ltpcalums.com">ltpc-disc@ltpcalums.com</A> =
</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, July 02, =
2003 8:45=20
AM</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: =
[LTPC-discussions] LTPC=20
Comment</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Richard -- There is no sense at =
this point to=20
argue or try to reason. Everyone has his or her opinion, and =
that's=20
the way it's going to be. We have to accept that, and move on =
with our=20
efforts. I'm glad that there so many that are supporting an =
effort,=20
while pursuing other endeavors, to see if we have any grounds for =
any legal=20
action. I don't consider this a waste of time, and even if it =
was, my=20
time is my time and no one has the right to criticize it, and we =
should not=20
citicize others for their opinions, as well. Calling anyone a =
"loser"=20
for pursuing a belief that is just and legal is just plain =
wrong. =20
Shame on you. </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I believe it would be interesting,=20
however, if there can be an opinion rendered if renewals for =
vested=20
agents are in jeopardy as a result of a class action suit. If =
there is=20
a class action suit, doesn't that mean it's for the benefit of =
everyone,=20
anyway?? Is everyone involved at that point anyway?? I =
don't=20
know. If we do get a well-respected large law firm to accept =
this on a=20
contingency basis, doesn't that add a lot of credibility to our=20
efforts?? We have seen a lot of comments from the alum that =
state why=20
we can't proceed with legal action. I ask the question, what is =
wrong=20
with finding out, laying out our options, and proceeding as we=20
wish?</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Since I don't have to brag about =
what I make=20
and what I do because (or who I hit the links with) I have high =
self-esteem=20
for myself and am very good at what I do, I haven't stooped to this =
level,=20
but to present the other side of the coin, here is my example. =
Since=20
leaving LTPC, I have made over $16,000 all the while pursuing this=20
endeavor. I channel my passion for long term care on the phone =
and in=20
the home and leave my personal life, problems and negative baggage=20
elsewhere. I don't believe anyone could be successful if they =
could=20
not do that. My passion for fighting for what I believe is =
right and=20
just is just as strong, and I am able to channel that when I need to =
and=20
where I need to.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>So, everyone, please stop the name=20
calling. If you have a legal background, please, by all means, =
offer=20
your opinion. State case law and not assumptions. Your =
choice --=20
join in or not -- but please allow those of us who choose to =
determine our=20
legal options peace, and we will let those of you who choose not to =
join in=20
the same peace. Thank you. </FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
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<A title=3DShampooRic@aol.com=20
href=3D"mailto:ShampooRic@aol.com">ShampooRic@aol.com</A> </DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A =
title=3Dltpc-disc@ltpcalums.com=20
=
href=3D"mailto:ltpc-disc@ltpcalums.com">ltpc-disc@ltpcalums.com</A> =
</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, July 02, =
2003 11:06=20
AM</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: =
[LTPC-discussions] LTPC=20
Comment</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV><FONT face=3Darial,helvetica><FONT lang=3D0 =
face=3DArial size=3D4=20
FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF"><B>Interesting comments, but how would you =
classify=20
some agent with $340,000 of business on the books that was a good =
loyal=20
employee that might not get vested because of so little staff =
handling=20
policies in home office and might lose thousands over the next ten =
years. Are they a 5 or a 6?<BR><BR>Richard</B></FONT>=20
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