[LTPC-discussions] Want your opinion
Ben Polis
ltpc-disc@ltpcalums.com
Mon, 7 Jul 2003 11:28:03 -0400
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Good points, Bob. That's exactly what we are seeking -- were there any =
obvious and grievous acts by Progeny. Will this outweigh the dust that =
it will kick up? That's why we are seeking legal opinions. Stating an =
opinion w/o characterizing those who disagree w/you is not a personal =
attack (I learned that lesson the hard way), so keep on providing =
everyone your opinions and insight. Thanks.
----- Original Message -----=20
From: Bob Hadidian=20
To: ltpc-disc@ltpcalums.com=20
Sent: Monday, July 07, 2003 11:02 AM
Subject: Re: [LTPC-discussions] Want your opinion
Not to mention that the dust you kick up may get in your own eyes and =
other's as well. (i.e. 'misrepresentation' issues, freezing renewals, =
helping former clients, etc).=20
This would be an acceptable risk if there were obvious and grievous =
acts done by Progeny.=20
Just food for thought.
WARNING
Any disagreement on my part with other opinions does not constitute a =
personal attack.
----- Original Message -----=20
From: LTCare716@aol.com=20
To: ltpc-disc@ltpcalums.com=20
Sent: Monday, July 07, 2003 7:30 AM
Subject: Re: [LTPC-discussions] Want your opinion
What a pitiful response. Those that are shaking their heads at all =
of this do not have their heads in a hole. By the way, that would be =
sand, not hole. But anyway, these peoples heads are now and always will =
be held high. It's how we are wired. We don't let little blips on the =
radar screen of our career send us into a tail spin. Obviously you =
didn't read my mail that carefully. Also, I am 39, so probably in the =
lower 35% of former LTPCers. That takes care of that theory!
$20,000 is worth fighting for if the fight was warranted. How many =
times does this have to be said? No company has EVER announced from the =
mountain tops that they were going out of business until it was an =
absolute. Talk to people that are informed about this and they will tell =
you. Every effort was being made to either sell LTPC (CNA/Robert =
Foreman), or change it. Does anyone really think that during that =
process Progeny should have told everyone that if it doesn't work "we're =
done"? That would have sunk the ship immediately! Progeny owed it to us =
to do everything necessary to save the company. A decision was made by =
people who run the company to close it.They gave us fair warning, made =
the transition smooth enough for someone with any heart to get on their =
feet.
It's just plain and simply bitterness and greed in my opinion. As I =
said before, I have friends from LTPC who were not vested. Would it be =
nice for Progeny to vest everyone? You bet! But it's not deserved! Nor =
should it be expected.
Finally Jeff, yes I do consider this to be "cry baby" situation. If =
you asked someone a day after they signed their contract if there was =
any chance of this company could go out of business, they would ALL =
say "well, of course theres always a chance". Well, guess what? It =
happened. This milk we all voluntarily spilled ourselves. If I was a new =
employer of the cry babies, I'd have to seriously consider added the =
phrase "Now we might go out of business one day okay?" "Pretty please =
understand that okay" to their contracts.
Everyone take a deep breath and ponder this. Isn't this the kind of =
potential lawsuit that we all complain about around the water cooler? I =
guess it is unless it's affecting you Then right or wrong, signed a =
contract or not, getting some $ unethically is better than getting none =
at all right?
Regards
Berry
P.S. Jeff, I get alot more forward thinking e-mails than the other!
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<DIV><FONT size=3D2>Good points, Bob. That's exactly what we are =
seeking --=20
were there any obvious and grievous acts by Progeny. Will this =
outweigh=20
the dust that it will kick up? That's why we are seeking legal=20
opinions. Stating an opinion w/o characterizing those who disagree =
w/you=20
is not a personal attack (I learned that lesson the hard way), so keep =
on=20
providing everyone your opinions and insight. Thanks.</FONT></DIV>
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<A title=3Dbobhadidian@charter.net =
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Hadidian</A> </DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A =
title=3Dltpc-disc@ltpcalums.com=20
href=3D"mailto:ltpc-disc@ltpcalums.com">ltpc-disc@ltpcalums.com</A> =
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<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Monday, July 07, 2003 =
11:02=20
AM</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [LTPC-discussions] =
Want your=20
opinion</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Not to mention that the dust you kick =
up may get=20
in your own eyes and other's as well. (i.e. 'misrepresentation' =
issues,=20
freezing renewals, helping former clients, etc). </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>This would be an acceptable risk if =
there were=20
obvious and grievous acts done by Progeny. </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Just food for thought.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>WARNING</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Any disagreement on my part with =
other opinions=20
does not constitute a personal attack.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
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<DIV=20
style=3D"BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: =
black"><B>From:</B>=20
<A title=3DLTCare716@aol.com=20
href=3D"mailto:LTCare716@aol.com">LTCare716@aol.com</A> </DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A =
title=3Dltpc-disc@ltpcalums.com=20
href=3D"mailto:ltpc-disc@ltpcalums.com">ltpc-disc@ltpcalums.com</A> =
</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Monday, July 07, 2003 =
7:30=20
AM</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: =
[LTPC-discussions] Want=20
your opinion</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV><FONT face=3Darial,helvetica><FONT lang=3D0 =
face=3DArial size=3D2=20
FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF">What a pitiful response. Those that are shaking =
their=20
heads at all of this do not have their heads in a hole. By the way, =
that=20
would be sand, not hole. But anyway, these peoples heads are now and =
always=20
will be held high. It's how we are wired. We don't let little blips =
on the=20
radar screen of our career send us into a tail spin. Obviously you =
didn't=20
read my mail that carefully. Also, I am 39, so probably in the lower =
35% of=20
former LTPCers. That takes care of that theory!<BR><BR>$20,000 is =
worth=20
fighting for if the fight was warranted. How many times does this =
have to be=20
said? No company has EVER announced from the mountain tops that they =
were=20
going out of business until it was an absolute. Talk to people that =
are=20
informed about this and they will tell you. Every effort was being =
made to=20
either sell LTPC (CNA/Robert Foreman), or change it. Does anyone =
really=20
think that during that process Progeny should have told everyone =
that if it=20
doesn't work "we're done"? That would have sunk the ship =
immediately!=20
Progeny owed it to us to do everything necessary to save the =
company. A=20
decision was made by people who run the company to close it.They =
gave us=20
fair warning, made the transition smooth enough for someone with any =
heart=20
to get on their feet.<BR><BR>It's just plain and simply bitterness =
and greed=20
in my opinion. As I said before, I have friends from LTPC who =
were not=20
vested. Would it be nice for Progeny to vest everyone? You bet! But =
it's not=20
deserved! Nor should it be expected.<BR><BR>Finally Jeff, yes I do =
consider=20
this to be "cry baby" situation. If you asked someone a day after =
they=20
signed their contract if there was any chance of this company could=20
go out of business, they would ALL say "well, of course =
theres=20
always a chance". Well, guess what? It happened. This milk we all=20
voluntarily spilled ourselves. If I was a new employer of the cry =
babies,=20
I'd have to seriously consider added the phrase "Now we might go out =
of=20
business one day okay?" "Pretty please understand that okay" to =
their=20
contracts.<BR><BR>Everyone take a deep breath and ponder this. Isn't =
this=20
the kind of potential lawsuit that we all complain about around the =
water=20
cooler? I guess it is unless it's affecting you Then right or =
wrong,=20
signed a contract or not, getting some $ unethically is better than =
getting=20
none at all right?<BR><BR>Regards<BR><BR>Berry<BR><BR>P.S. Jeff, I =
get alot=20
more forward thinking e-mails than the=20
other!<BR><BR><BR><BR></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></FONT></FONT></BODY></HT=
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