[kj] Crowley/Coleman/Gurdjieff

Wed Jul 14 00:24:04 EDT 2004

Greetings Peter, 

--- "peter.west410" <peter.west410 at ntlworld.com>
wrote:
> "but I fear I shall never really
> understand what he was all about"
>      I don't really know what I'm talking about
> (When it comes to
> Crowley),But As with most Cults ,Its usually
> intelligent people,leading the
> unintelligent people.

 Well, we're off to a good start.

 You have no idea who I am, or anything about me but
you've already summed up that I may be unintelligent.

 It's a shame when someone opens a discussion with the
line "I don't really know what I'm talking about When
it comes to..." and they still feel the need to voice
their (admittedly lacking) opinion while
simultaneously insulting others as "unintelligent".

 Careful, that type of logic is dangerous and it cuts
both ways. ;)

> The leaders offer some kind of
> answers which the
> followers are in awe of,To a certain extent killing
> joke do the same.

 I'd say that perhaps people who listen to Killing
Joke might do so for the music at least as much as the
lyrics, wouldn't you?

 Was it Jaz's lyrics that first attracted you to the
group?

>     Once you are under their spell you stay
> there,They usually offer some
> kind of mystical bollocks,which lost souls tend to
> follow.

 Now, I'm a lost soul and I worship bollocks too. :(

>    Religious groups do this, the
> Moonies,freemasons,Christians ,Muslims etc
> etc..People join because they think if they are a
> member and pay into it
> ,some of the mystical powers may rub off on them(Pay
> being the operative
> word).

 You seem to be an authority on making blanket
statements condemning other peoples beliefs and/or
lifestyles without actually doing much research into
either the people you're condemning or the subject at
hand.

 You also seem to think that your opinion should
matter to someone other than yourself.

 But, I don't really know what I'm talking about
when it comes to Peter West. ;)

 Much Love, 

 Aleph

>       On a lighter note ,I received one of those
> "Congratulations you ve
> just won a million dollars" E-mails.I replied
> ,wondering exactly how the
> scam works,If anybody wants to see the on-going
> exchanges,let me know and I
> ll post them up.
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "god botherer" <acroastic at hotmail.com>
> To: <gathering at misera.net>
> Sent: Tuesday, July 13, 2004 8:01 PM
> Subject: [kj] Crowley/Coleman/Gurdjieff
> 
> 
> > I became very interested in Crowley many years
> ago. I read Liber 777, The
> > Book Of The Law, Aha, etc. and learned a lot. I
> also read about Crowley's
> > participation in the Golden Dawn and beyond. I
> recognised that he must
> have
> > been an extraordinary man - highly intelligent,
> gifted, extremely
> > knowledgeable, but I also learned of the many
> wounded people - even dead
> > people - he left in his wake, and I found that I
> could not accept some of
> > his practices. I also questioned where following
> the labyrinthine path
> down
> > which studying the correspondences and Gematria
> was actually leading me.
> >
> > So many people have warned against reading The
> Book Of The Law - including
> > Crowley himself - that it can not be paranoid
> superstition to refer to
> such
> > admonitions. As for Gurdjieff recognising
> something unclean in Crowley, I
> am
> > merely paraphrasing Bennett's autobiography.
> >
> > Let's be cool.
> >
> > I do not regard myself as qualified to judge
> Crowley - or indeed
> Gurdjieff.
> > Both men were vastly superior to me in all sorts
> of ways. But if someone
> of
> > Gurdjieff's standing took the angle he did on
> Crowley then I have to take
> > note.
> >
> > And what is one to make of Jaz's branding of
> Crowley as 'a very dubious
> > character'? This from someone who went into
> Crowley fairly deeply, I
> > believe.
> >
> > The case remains open for me on Crowley, but I
> fear I shall never really
> > understand what he was all about. And is it all
> that important anyway?
> >
> > As for the Buddha, I sense that following his
> teachings is more likely to
> > bring me to happiness and make the world a better
> place than following
> > Crowley's 'way' (whatever that is) will.
> >
> > I am ready to listen to anybody who can shed light
> for me on why Crowley
> > deserves uncritical admiration. I would genuinely
> welcome an attempt to
> > defend Crowley on a moral basis.
> >
> > There is more that unites us than divides us so
> let's not fall out.
> >
> > Si
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > >From: Djehuti111 <djehuti111 at yahoo.com>
> > >Reply-To: "A list about all things Killing Joke
> (the band!)"
> > ><gathering at misera.net>
> > >To: "A list about all things Killing Joke (the
> band!)"
> > ><gathering at misera.net>
> > >Subject: RE: [kj] Crowley/Coleman
> > >Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2004 21:18:03 -0700 (PDT)
> > >
> > >Greetings Lexi,
> > >
> > >--- Alexi Hamilton <alexih at hotmail.com> wrote:
> > >    Awwww...Nicholas, you just might bring the
> ever
> > >elusive Aleph out of hiding with this one...
> > >
> > >  Nah, I'm not going to waste my time with
> opinionated
> > >rubbish, ("Clearly, he recognised that which was
> > >unclean in Crowley and didn't want him near his
> > >students any more.") or paranoid superstition (
> "And
> > >by the way, reading The Book of the Law might not
> be a
> > >great idea.").
> > >
> > >  And I'm certainly not going to let one of the
> most
> > >imbalanced "buddhists" to ever snipe from behind
> a PC
> > >get my Goat.
> > >
> > >("crowley was a twat who completely wasted the
> > >insights he had.")
> > >
> > >  Talk about the pot calling the kettle black! ;)
> > >
> > >  I'll just scrape it off my shoes and ignore the
> > >stench.
> > >
> > >  XoXoX
> > >  Aleph
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >~Alexi
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >=====
> > >"The scene was wild and somewhat sinister. The
> > >darkness, the palms, the mountainous background,
> the
> > >silent lake below, the impenetrable canopy of
> space,
> > >studded with secretive and significant stars,
> formed a
> > >stupendous setting for the savage noise and blaze
> of
> > >the ceremony."
> > >
> > >
> > >
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darkness, the palms, the mountainous background, the
silent lake below, the impenetrable canopy of space,
studded with secretive and significant stars, formed a
stupendous setting for the savage noise and blaze of
the ceremony."

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