[kj] OT: The great Punk Debate culture theives read ; >

[Rob]

why?

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From: gathering-bounces at misera.net
[mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net]On Behalf Of Alexander Smith
Sent: 19 October 2004 18:14
To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)
Subject: Re: [kj] OT: The great Punk Debate culture theives read ; >


Yeah, and Glenn Matlock liked Abba. So as much as you can write of 
Steve Jones' opinion, you can cancel him out too.

Lydon was famously documented as being at the fabled Ramones `76 London 
gig.....and concerned that the Ramones were a real gang that were going 
to beat him up. In retrospect, they should've done.

Alex iN NYC




On Tuesday, October 19, 2004, at 12:59 PM, Tim Bucknall wrote:

> The pistols weren't influenced by the ramones at all
> Sid Vicious liked them, but by the time he joined the pistols it was 
> all
> over
>
> to Quote Glenn Matlock " we thought of them as more of a comedy band"
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Ketracel White" <ketracelwhite at hotmail.com>
> To: "A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)"
> <gathering at misera.net>
> Sent: Monday, October 18, 2004 11:39 PM
> Subject: Re: [kj] OT: The great Punk Debate culture theives read ; >
>
>
>>> From AMG (All Music Guide):
>>
>> "The Ramones are the first punk rock band. Other bands, such as the
> Stooges
>> and the New York Dolls, came before them and set the stage and 
>> aesthetic
> for
>> punk, and bands that immediately followed, such as the Sex Pistols, 
>> made
> the
>> latent violence of the music more explicit, but the Ramones 
>> crystallized
> the
>> musical ideals of the genre."
>>
>> God Bless America.
>> -KW
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Matthew Burke" <marsboy1 at msn.com>
>> To: <gathering at misera.net>
>> Sent: Monday, October 18, 2004 1:31 PM
>> Subject: Re: [kj] OT: The great Punk Debate culture theives read ; >
>>
>>
>>> Louis Armstrong also invented the Big Mac, and would have approved of
>>> pre-emptive wars.
>>>
>>> New Rose and Blitzkrieg Bop were both released in 1976.  Are we 
>>> counting
>>> months, or is there some secret knowledge I'm not aware of?
>>>
>>> There is also a question as to whether Patti Smith's 'Hey Joe' was 
>>> the
>> first
>>> punk single, released in 1974.
>>>
>>> Other instances of a lack of American culture:
>>>
>>> Blues
>>> Jazz
>>> Twain
>>> Kerouac
>>> Pollock
>>> Frank Lloyd Wright
>>>
>>>
>>>> From: "peter.west410" <peter.west410 at ntlworld.com>
>>>> Reply-To: "A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)"
>>>> <gathering at misera.net>
>>>> To: "A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)"
>>>> <gathering at misera.net>
>>>> Subject: Re: [kj] OT: The great Punk Debate culture theives read ; >
>>>> Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2004 18:51:37 +0100
>>>>
>>>> Yes Im sure they were .Like the Ramones ,There are many bands and
> persons
>>>> who have been an influence.
>>>>      But like the time Louie Armstrong landed on the moon and 
>>>> planted
>> the
>>>> stars and stripes and thus claiming a first for America,The Damned's
> New
>>>> Rose single was the first Punk singles and thus claiming punk for
>> England.
>>>> JUST BECAUSE YOU GOT NO CULTURE OF YOUR OWN,STOP TRYING TO STEAL 
>>>> OURS.
>>>>
>>>> (Has Rowland Rat gone yet?)
>>>>
>>>>  PW
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: "Tim Bucknall" <tim.bucknall at btinternet.com>
>>>> To: "A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)"
>>>> <gathering at misera.net>
>>>> Sent: Monday, October 18, 2004 6:30 PM
>>>> Subject: Re: [kj] OT: The great Punk Debate tea sippers read ; >
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>> From: "Matthew Burke" <marsboy1 at msn.com>
>>>>> To: <gathering at misera.net>
>>>>> Sent: Monday, October 18, 2004 7:28 AM
>>>>> Subject: Re: [kj] OT: The great Punk Debate tea sippers read ; >
>>>>>
>>>>>> And here's a new twist in favor of the tea sippers, I believe that
>>>>> somehow,
>>>>>> some way, The Who were also a big influence on punk rock.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> absolutely no doubt about it
>>>>>
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