[kj] OT: The great Punk Debate culture theives read ; >

[Alexander Smith]

Because he'd later go onto slag them off.

Alex in NYC


On Tuesday, October 19, 2004, at 01:17 PM, Rob wrote:

> why?
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: gathering-bounces at misera.net
> [mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net]On Behalf Of Alexander Smith
> Sent: 19 October 2004 18:14
> To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)
> Subject: Re: [kj] OT: The great Punk Debate culture theives read ; >
>
>
> Yeah, and Glenn Matlock liked Abba. So as much as you can write of
> Steve Jones' opinion, you can cancel him out too.
>
> Lydon was famously documented as being at the fabled Ramones `76 London
> gig.....and concerned that the Ramones were a real gang that were going
> to beat him up. In retrospect, they should've done.
>
> Alex iN NYC
>
>
>
>
> On Tuesday, October 19, 2004, at 12:59 PM, Tim Bucknall wrote:
>
>> The pistols weren't influenced by the ramones at all
>> Sid Vicious liked them, but by the time he joined the pistols it was
>> all
>> over
>>
>> to Quote Glenn Matlock " we thought of them as more of a comedy band"
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Ketracel White" <ketracelwhite at hotmail.com>
>> To: "A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)"
>> <gathering at misera.net>
>> Sent: Monday, October 18, 2004 11:39 PM
>> Subject: Re: [kj] OT: The great Punk Debate culture theives read ; >
>>
>>
>>>> From AMG (All Music Guide):
>>>
>>> "The Ramones are the first punk rock band. Other bands, such as the
>> Stooges
>>> and the New York Dolls, came before them and set the stage and
>>> aesthetic
>> for
>>> punk, and bands that immediately followed, such as the Sex Pistols,
>>> made
>> the
>>> latent violence of the music more explicit, but the Ramones
>>> crystallized
>> the
>>> musical ideals of the genre."
>>>
>>> God Bless America.
>>> -KW
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Matthew Burke" <marsboy1 at msn.com>
>>> To: <gathering at misera.net>
>>> Sent: Monday, October 18, 2004 1:31 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [kj] OT: The great Punk Debate culture theives read ; >
>>>
>>>
>>>> Louis Armstrong also invented the Big Mac, and would have approved 
>>>> of
>>>> pre-emptive wars.
>>>>
>>>> New Rose and Blitzkrieg Bop were both released in 1976.  Are we
>>>> counting
>>>> months, or is there some secret knowledge I'm not aware of?
>>>>
>>>> There is also a question as to whether Patti Smith's 'Hey Joe' was
>>>> the
>>> first
>>>> punk single, released in 1974.
>>>>
>>>> Other instances of a lack of American culture:
>>>>
>>>> Blues
>>>> Jazz
>>>> Twain
>>>> Kerouac
>>>> Pollock
>>>> Frank Lloyd Wright
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> From: "peter.west410" <peter.west410 at ntlworld.com>
>>>>> Reply-To: "A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)"
>>>>> <gathering at misera.net>
>>>>> To: "A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)"
>>>>> <gathering at misera.net>
>>>>> Subject: Re: [kj] OT: The great Punk Debate culture theives read ; 
>>>>> >
>>>>> Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2004 18:51:37 +0100
>>>>>
>>>>> Yes Im sure they were .Like the Ramones ,There are many bands and
>> persons
>>>>> who have been an influence.
>>>>>      But like the time Louie Armstrong landed on the moon and
>>>>> planted
>>> the
>>>>> stars and stripes and thus claiming a first for America,The 
>>>>> Damned's
>> New
>>>>> Rose single was the first Punk singles and thus claiming punk for
>>> England.
>>>>> JUST BECAUSE YOU GOT NO CULTURE OF YOUR OWN,STOP TRYING TO STEAL
>>>>> OURS.
>>>>>
>>>>> (Has Rowland Rat gone yet?)
>>>>>
>>>>>  PW
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>> From: "Tim Bucknall" <tim.bucknall at btinternet.com>
>>>>> To: "A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)"
>>>>> <gathering at misera.net>
>>>>> Sent: Monday, October 18, 2004 6:30 PM
>>>>> Subject: Re: [kj] OT: The great Punk Debate tea sippers read ; >
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>> From: "Matthew Burke" <marsboy1 at msn.com>
>>>>>> To: <gathering at misera.net>
>>>>>> Sent: Monday, October 18, 2004 7:28 AM
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [kj] OT: The great Punk Debate tea sippers read ; >
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> And here's a new twist in favor of the tea sippers, I believe 
>>>>>>> that
>>>>>> somehow,
>>>>>>> some way, The Who were also a big influence on punk rock.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> absolutely no doubt about it
>>>>>>
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