[kj] (OT) SHOCK!!

[Matthew Burke]

Terrorism will always exist, and terrorists quite often get their way 
because there is no defense except to absolutely lock down a society.  This 
is the ultimate goal of terrorism: to change the government of the target 
country by inconveniencing the population to the degree that they vote them 
and their policies out.

As for the implementation of "real communism", I would like to see it occur 
concurrently with the implementation of real capitalism and see who comes 
out on top.  Corporate influence on government, "globalism", and "free 
trade" are a far cry from what the free market is supposed to be.  If 
government regulation of the market is allowed, the notion of competition, 
the most necessary component for the free market to function, is moot and 
the result is big business and government running rampant as they are today.

The state's meddling is the menace, ultimately, and in a sense they are 
after a form of collectivism that will consolidate power for the elite.  Not 
much different from the implementation of communism in the last century.

The state is also the entity responsible for war, "the health of the state" 
as Randolph Bourne put it, since it increases taxes and gives more power to 
the state.  For these reasons it is ultimately a socialist enterprise.  And 
socialism, after all, is just legalized theft.  To paraphrase Lenny Bruce: 
let me keep my bread, man.  I want to play Christ.

Not to degenerate into petty sarcasm, however this is the Gathering: As for 
Cuba, I suppose those people navigating shark infested waters in a leaky 
inner tube are only trying to get to the U.S. to tell us how successful 
their system is.

Alright, you pinkos may have at me now.

m



>From: GregSlawson at aol.com
>Reply-To: "A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)" 
><gathering at misera.net>
>To: gathering at misera.net
>Subject: Re: [kj] (OT) SHOCK!!
>Date: Sun, 5 Sep 2004 13:36:28 EDT
>
>First, you're right that many terrorists are middle-class or have middle or
>ruling class backing (like Bin Laden). THis backs up my argument that it's 
>part
>of a fight between capitalists (Bin Laden represents Saudi capitalists who
>don't want to share oil profits w/the US, that's why they're nationalists).
>Second, it's obvious, like you said, that communism didn't work in places 
>like N
>Korea, although in Cuba they've done some good stuff. But neither country 
>had
>real communism, and no country today has it (Cuba being the only one that 
>has
>some aspects of it). People (including communists) are intelligent and are
>capable of learning from mistakes of the past. People will be able to learn 
>how to
>implement real communism, where there is not an elite class in control, and
>where, like you said, people treat each other well. I know the "human 
>nature"
>argument will be parrotted next, but that's another story (try talking to
>biologists about human nature).
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