[kj] politics

[peter.west410]

" Still is, isn't he?"

    No ,He's been caught.
George W is just waiting for the right time to announce it.


----- Original Message -----
From: "Alexander Smith" <vassifer at earthlink.net>
To: "A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)"
<gathering at misera.net>
Sent: Monday, September 06, 2004 11:36 PM
Subject: Re: [kj] politics


>
> "Bin Laden WAS  on a Jihad(HolyWar ):
>
> Still is, isn't he?
>
> Alex in NYC
>
>
>
>
> On Monday, September 6, 2004, at 06:33 PM, peter.west410 wrote:
>
> > Communism and Nazism belong in the past and should stay there.They both
> > failed because the people never wanted them.They (along with extreme
> > religion) are Extremism.And that is not the way to go forward.
> >   They are all backward thinking.
> >
> > Bin Laden WAS  on a Jihad(HolyWar )
> > Hitler         WAS a nazi
> > Pol pot       WAS a Communist.(Full-stop)
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: <Jpwhkj at aol.com>
> > To: <gathering at misera.net>
> > Sent: Monday, September 06, 2004 11:19 PM
> > Subject: Re: [kj] politics
> >
> >
> >> <xps1 at quick.cz> writes:
> >>
> >>> I think those differences in "isms" are certainly quite important - I
> > agree that not that important for those killed - but still there are
> > major
> > differences. As regards "a small number of people at the top, and a
> > large
> > number of people at the bottom, and a certain amount of ruthlessness
> > to keep
> > it that way" is what Communism fights against while it the case of
> > Nazism it
> > is a corner stone of its very ideology - that there is an elite in the
> > nation destined to rule while the role of masses is to keep quite and
> > do
> > what fuhrer (chosen by some metaphysical unhuman force) says.
> >>
> >> Firstly, I guess we mean different things by "communism". I'm talking
> > about the form of government practised in the eastern block for the
> > bulk of
> > the 20th century. You're right that this wasn't communism as conceived
> > by
> > Marx, nor probably by the revolutionaries in Tsarist Russia - however,
> > it's
> > what was understood by most of the world to be communism, including
> > many
> > "communist" parties in the rest of the world. I agree that the
> > similarity
> > between this and "true" communism is about the same as the similarity
> > between the Spanish Inquisition and the teachings of Jesus.
> >>
> >> Yes, you're right that the differences are very important. (As indeed
> >> I
> > said.) However, my point was that all forms of government so far have
> > resulted in quite a lot of misery (not just poverty). Isn't that true?
> >>
> >> And, leading on from that, if we're going to avoid repeating the
> >> mistakes
> > and misery of the past, we need to try something new.
> >>
> >>> By mere bodycount one would come to a conclusion than US or UK
> > "democracies" are the most ruthless regimes that ever existed.
> >>
> >> I agree that just the bodycount is an insufficient measure of
> >> oppression.
> >>
> >>> I still believe one shall defend (even capitalist) democracy against
> > Nazism even though these democracies may murdered but certainly
> > oppressed
> > more people than Nazism.
> >>
> >> Agreed wholeheartedly. Let's continue this one over a beer the next
> >> time
> > you're in London or I'm in Prague...
> >>
> >> Cheers,
> >>
> >> Jamie
> >>
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