[kj] politics

[Alexander Smith]

I have a great bridge to sell you, Peter.

Alex in NYC



On Tuesday, September 7, 2004, at 01:23 PM, peter.west410 wrote:

> " Still is, isn't he?"
>
>     No ,He's been caught.
> George W is just waiting for the right time to announce it.
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Alexander Smith" <vassifer at earthlink.net>
> To: "A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)"
> <gathering at misera.net>
> Sent: Monday, September 06, 2004 11:36 PM
> Subject: Re: [kj] politics
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>>
>> "Bin Laden WAS  on a Jihad(HolyWar ):
>>
>> Still is, isn't he?
>>
>> Alex in NYC
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Monday, September 6, 2004, at 06:33 PM, peter.west410 wrote:
>>
>>> Communism and Nazism belong in the past and should stay there.They 
>>> both
>>> failed because the people never wanted them.They (along with extreme
>>> religion) are Extremism.And that is not the way to go forward.
>>>   They are all backward thinking.
>>>
>>> Bin Laden WAS  on a Jihad(HolyWar )
>>> Hitler         WAS a nazi
>>> Pol pot       WAS a Communist.(Full-stop)
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: <Jpwhkj at aol.com>
>>> To: <gathering at misera.net>
>>> Sent: Monday, September 06, 2004 11:19 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [kj] politics
>>>
>>>
>>>> <xps1 at quick.cz> writes:
>>>>
>>>>> I think those differences in "isms" are certainly quite important 
>>>>> - I
>>> agree that not that important for those killed - but still there are
>>> major
>>> differences. As regards "a small number of people at the top, and a
>>> large
>>> number of people at the bottom, and a certain amount of ruthlessness
>>> to keep
>>> it that way" is what Communism fights against while it the case of
>>> Nazism it
>>> is a corner stone of its very ideology - that there is an elite in 
>>> the
>>> nation destined to rule while the role of masses is to keep quite and
>>> do
>>> what fuhrer (chosen by some metaphysical unhuman force) says.
>>>>
>>>> Firstly, I guess we mean different things by "communism". I'm 
>>>> talking
>>> about the form of government practised in the eastern block for the
>>> bulk of
>>> the 20th century. You're right that this wasn't communism as 
>>> conceived
>>> by
>>> Marx, nor probably by the revolutionaries in Tsarist Russia - 
>>> however,
>>> it's
>>> what was understood by most of the world to be communism, including
>>> many
>>> "communist" parties in the rest of the world. I agree that the
>>> similarity
>>> between this and "true" communism is about the same as the similarity
>>> between the Spanish Inquisition and the teachings of Jesus.
>>>>
>>>> Yes, you're right that the differences are very important. (As 
>>>> indeed
>>>> I
>>> said.) However, my point was that all forms of government so far have
>>> resulted in quite a lot of misery (not just poverty). Isn't that 
>>> true?
>>>>
>>>> And, leading on from that, if we're going to avoid repeating the
>>>> mistakes
>>> and misery of the past, we need to try something new.
>>>>
>>>>> By mere bodycount one would come to a conclusion than US or UK
>>> "democracies" are the most ruthless regimes that ever existed.
>>>>
>>>> I agree that just the bodycount is an insufficient measure of
>>>> oppression.
>>>>
>>>>> I still believe one shall defend (even capitalist) democracy 
>>>>> against
>>> Nazism even though these democracies may murdered but certainly
>>> oppressed
>>> more people than Nazism.
>>>>
>>>> Agreed wholeheartedly. Let's continue this one over a beer the next
>>>> time
>>> you're in London or I'm in Prague...
>>>>
>>>> Cheers,
>>>>
>>>> Jamie
>>>>
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