[kj] Ministry in NYC tonight

Sat Jun 17 02:33:30 EDT 2006

That's exactly what i was thinking going in. I think
Slipknot are a joke but i was at least confident in
the fact that the guy would be a solid, death metal
style, double-pedal machine-gunning drummer. Which is
perfect for Ministry. Maybe it's the fact that he was
playing along with pre-programmed beats that was
throwing off his game. But man, he barely hit hard at
all and sort of eked his way through the set. It would
have been amazing with the drummer from Fear Factory.
That guy probably farts out double-pedal bursts.

Leigh

--- Christof hamille <wessidetempest at hotmail.com>
wrote:

> Isn't this the Slipknot guy?  And shouldn't Ministry
> be a cakewalk for him?  
> I know little to nothing about Slipknot but it seems
> like any metal drummer 
> that is good should find this easy.
> 
> Chris
> 
> 
> >From: Leigh Newton <angrytomhanks at yahoo.com>
> >Reply-To: "A list about all things Killing Joke
> (the 
> >band!)"<gathering at misera.net>
> >To: "A list about all things Killing Joke (the
> band!)" 
> ><gathering at misera.net>
> >Subject: Re: [kj] Ministry in NYC tonight
> >Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2006 17:40:49 -0700 (PDT)
> >
> >Raven gave me and my friend copies of the new
> Ministry
> >CD and some of it is actually pretty rad,
> >particularily the first 2 tracks. The Joey Jordison
> >criticisms are dead on. He absolutely sucked,
> played
> >with no conviction whatsoever, and slopped up
> Stigmata
> >when I saw them as well. Lucky for him that he's
> >playing along with pre-programmed beats, otherwise
> the
> >whole deal would have been one big pisstake.
> >
> >Leigh
> >
> >
> >--- Pssyche <pssyche at soia.freeserve.co.uk> wrote:
> >
> > > Thanks for that Alex - I saw both nights at BB
> Kings
> > > on their last
> > > 'EvilDoer' tour and thought the venue was shit,
> > > hence our decision to go
> > > somewhere else this time round. Most of the
> negative
> > > posts on Ministry's
> > > Piss Army site have the same criticisms -
> slagging
> > > off Joey Jordison, while
> > > many seem to think it's too loud.
> > > I love the newer stuff myself, to be honest I
> get a
> > > bit fed up with 'So
> > > What' etc being played every show - similarities
> > > with the Joke (and indeed
> > > many other bands) in that predictable setlists
> get
> > > on the regulars' tits!!!
> > > Cheers
> > >
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Alex Smith" <vassifer at earthlink.net>
> > > To: "A list about all things Killing Joke (the
> > > band!)"
> > > <gathering at misera.net>; "A list about all things
> > > Killing Joke (the band!)"
> > > <gathering at misera.net>
> > > Sent: Thursday, June 15, 2006 4:24 PM
> > > Subject: Re: [kj] Ministry in NYC tonight
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > I'll post a longer, more detailed review later,
> but
> > > some thoughts re:
> > > Ministry last night....
> > >
> > > 1. BB Kings Blues Bar was the *WRONG* venue to
> book
> > > this show. Too small (it
> > > was totally packed) and the sound is so
> compressed
> > > that it was akin to
> > > standing in front of a 747 engine for three
> hours.
> > >
> > > 2. Did not catch the Pitbull Daycare, and don't
> > > really feel a great deal of
> > > remorse.
> > >
> > > 3. I met my friend Christina (she from that
> fabled
> > > earlier photo with m'self
> > > and Raven on Andy's Gathering site) and her
> friend
> > > John and made it in no
> > > problem. Raven gamely put Peggy (my wife) on the
> > > list as well, but she
> > > couldn't make it (someone had to mind the kids),
> so
> > > my "date" or plus-one
> > > ended up being Julya (slutty and stupid ex-FUSE
> > > veejay), who is a friend of
> > > John's. She was hungover and unfriendly and was
> > > later seen being asked to
> > > leave the venue by security. Rock'n'roll!
> > >
> > > 4. The Revolting Cocks were easily the high
> point of
> > > the show. Opened with
> > > "Beers, Steers + Queers," and suddenly a wave of
> > > early-90's nostalgia swept
> > > over the room. Luc Van Acker has not aged well
> and
> > > is now a total buffoon.
> > > There is another vocalist who looks a bit like
> > > Crispin Glover/Hitler who I
> > > was unfamiliar with. And he's a bit of an
> idiotic
> > > bore. But the rest of the
> > > band (featuring the odd ex-Skatenig, I believe)
> was
> > > great. The bass player
> > > (not Raven) is indeed a huge hottie, somewhat
> like
> > > vintage-era Corey from
> > > Nashville Pussy. They also played: "Attack Ships
> On
> > > Fire" (my personal
> > > fave), "D'ya Think I'm Sexy," "Let's Get
> Physical"
> > > and a rousing version of
> > > "Stainless Steel Providers." They also did a
> cover
> > > of "Dark Entries" (by
> > > Bauhaus), which was surprisingly faithful. An
> > > excellent performance.
> > >
> > > 5. Lots of drunk idiots in the crowd. And sweaty
> > > males. Did not spot a
> > > SINGLE Killing Joke shirt (other than the one I
> was
> > > sporting).
> > >
> > > 6. Ministry come on. Bones on the mics.
> Projection
> > > behind at all times.
> > > Strobes. Raven a good two feet taller than his
> > > bandmates. Both Raven and Al
> > > sporting Jaz-esque black warpaint. Raven gets a
> pass
> > > for this, as far as I'm
> > > concerned, but try being original, AL!!!!
> > >
> > > 7. The Ministry set: lots and lots and lots and
> lots
> > > of new stuff. And ya
> > > know what? It's DULLLLLLLLLLL. Totally
> > > monocrhomatic. Very little deviation.
> > >
> > > 8. Tommy Victor must have made some pact with
> the
> > > devil, as he has not aged
> > > a day. He is also VERY energetic on stage. Man
> loves
> > > his work.  He and Al
> > > Jourgensen, according to Raven, do not get on
> well,
> > > and Raven has to act as
> > > go-between.
> > >
> > > 9. It was Mike Scaccia's birthday. He was
> wearing a
> > > Lynyrd Skynyrd shirt.
> > > Most unfortunate, this.
> > >
> > > 10. Joey from Slipknot on drums -- Raven loves
> him
> > > (and evidently GEORDIE
> > > does to, so sayeth Raven), but he was clearly
> having
> > > a hard time keeping up.
> > > Couldn't tell if he was wearing a mask or not,
> but
> > > he's clearly a freaky
> > > lookin' dude.
> > >
> > > 11. Bechdel still has the `hawk.
> > >
> > > 12. Songs played in addition to new stuff:
> "N.W.O,"
> > > "Thieves," "So What,"
> > > "Just One Fix," and a truly dead-on-arrival limp
> > > through "Stigmata" wherein
> > > poor Joey started to lose his place. Most
> > > unfortunate.
> > >
> > > 13. Al Jourgensen clearly has a lot to say about
> the
> > > Bush Administration and
> > > how this country is going down the toilet, but
> > > y'know what? For all anyone
> > > could hear (let alone decipher through his
> heavily
> > > treated, vocoded vocals),
> > > he could've just been screaming out the names of
> all
> > > the State capitals. All
> > > gobbledigook.
> > >
> > > 14. It was VERY loud. No surprises there.
> > >
> > > 15. Raven - clearly enjoying himself, though
> seemed
> > > a bit upset onstage
> > > (it's always somewhat hard to distinguish these
> two
> > > expressions).
> > >
> > > Met up with Raven afterwards, and we repaired to
> the
> > > bar at the Paramount
> > > hotel. Lots of gossipy chin-wagging ensued.
> Raven
> > > drank mineral water the
> > > entire time. Businss dealings with all things
> > > Killing Joke continue to be a
> > > stupefying mess, but he does not rule out
> re-joining
> > > the fold. Lots of
> > > bullshit and deception in the air, but Raven
> seems
> > > to approach proceedings
> > > from a "life's too short" perspective, to his
> > > credit. GEMS OF POWER, as has
> > > been suggested, will probably never see the
> light of
> > > day. Raven was
> > > surprised to hear that the `Joke have evidently
> > > dropped the new material
> > > from their live set. For you Yank radio fans,
> > > evidently Raven and Al will be
> > > guests on Opie & Anthony today (which may have
> > > already happened).
> > >
> > >
> > > Overall, while it was great fun hanging out with
> > > Raven (who sends his
> > > regards to you all, though is not subscribed to
> the
> > > Gathering these days),
> > > the Ministry show was far from the best thing
> I've
> > > ever seen. Bring
> > > earplugs, if you're going.
> > >
> > > Pictures to follow. Not many, though.
> > >
> > > Cheers,
> > > Alex in NYC
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > >From: Pssyche <pssyche at soia.freeserve.co.uk>
> > > >Sent: Jun 15, 2006 10:48 AM
> > > >To: "A list about all things Killing Joke (the
> > > band!)"
> > > <gathering at misera.net>
> > > >Subject: Re: [kj] Ministry in NYC tonight
> > > >
> > > >me and a mate are going - tickets are $20 - and
> > > I've been warned not to
> > > >wander anywhere away from the venue and not to
> hang
> > > about afterwards
> > > either.
> > > >However, I was told the venue is great and
> Detroit
> > > crowds are the best in
> > > >the USA so.....
> > > >
> > > >----- Original Message -----
> > > >From: "Christof hamille"
> > > <wessidetempest at hotmail.com>
> > > >To: <gathering at misera.net>
> > > >Sent: Thursday, June 15, 2006 5:32 AM
> > > >Subject: Re: [kj] Ministry in NYC tonight
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >> No I wish.
> > > >> Harpo's.
> > > >> Straight up metal veune complete with thugs
> for
> > > security.  In a shitty
> > > >part
> > > >> of town (do not leave an empty bottle in your
> car
> > > in fear of being broken
> > > >> into and stolen).
> > > >> I'll put it this way.  I have seen Motörhead
> > > there twice.  Gwar with the
> > > >> Dickies and Buzzoven (opening bnads is whay I
> > > went) at this venue.  Back
> > > >in
> > > >> the day the Dead Kennedy's and the Ramones
> would
> > > play there
> > > >>
> > > >> Want to go?
> > > >>
> > > >> ugghh
> > > >>
> > > >> Chris
> > > >>
> > > >> >From: P Bernardi <phantasmas at erols.com>
> > > >> >Reply-To: phantasmas at erols.com,"A list about
> all
> > > things Killing Joke
> > > (the
> > > >> >band!)"<gathering at misera.net>
> > > >> >To: "A list about all things Killing Joke
> (the
> > > band!)"
> > > >> ><gathering at misera.net>
> > > >> >Subject: Re: [kj] Ministry in NYC tonight
> > > >> >Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2006 00:27:33 -0400
> > > >> >
> > > >> >Chris,
> > > >> >
> > > >> >which venue in Detroit is it? Is it the same
> one
> > > thats down the road
> > > from
> > > >> >Majestic/Magic stick?
> > > >> >p-
> > > >> >
> > > >> >
> > > >> >Christof hamille wrote:
> > > >> >
> > > >> >>Alex let me know how it is.  Really I have
> no
> > > desire to go other then
> > > to
> > > >> >>see Raven and Bruchdel (sp?).  I am
> guessing
> > > the tix will be $30 after
> > > >> >>service charge and I am being a snob.  Plus
> the
> > > Detroit show is at a
> > > >> >>notorious metal venue that is in a shitty
> part
> > > of town with even
> > > >shittier
> > > >> >>security.
> > > >> >>
> > > >> >>If I could get in somehow without forking
> out
> > > the dough I would (simply
> > > >> >>because of the venue).
> > > >> >>
> > > >> >>I would rather hand Al my money in person
> then
> > > through that place
> > > >> >>
> > > >> >>Chris
> > > >> >>
> > > >> >>drunk in Detroit
> > > >> >>
> > > >> >>>From: Alex Smith <vassifer at earthlink.net>
> > > >> >>>Reply-To: Alex Smith
> > > <vassifer at earthlink.net>,"A list about all
> things
> > > >> >>>Killing Joke (the
> > > band!)"<gathering at misera.net>
> > > >> >>>To: "A list about all things Killing Joke
> (the
> > > band!)"
> > > >> >>><gathering at misera.net>,
> gathering at misera.net,
> > > partyslammer at socal.rr.com
> > > >> >>>Subject: [kj] Ministry in NYC tonight
> > > >> >>>Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2006 14:20:16 -0400
> (EDT)
> > > >> >>>
> > > >> >>>
> > > >> >>>Should've asked this earlier, but is
> anyone
> > > else (apart from m'self)
> > > >> >>>going tonight at BB King's?
> > > >> >>>
> > > >> >>>Lemme know.
> > > >> >>>
> > > >> >>>Alex in NYC
> > > >>
> > >
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