[kj] Ministry in NYC tonight

Sat Jun 17 03:54:04 EDT 2006

Strange because Stigmata is not even that hard a song to play. I mean  
it's like Psyche. Fast but not too fast. There is the double bass  
part in there but it's not long.

Jari

Leigh Newton kirjoitti 17.6.2006 kello 9.33:

> That's exactly what i was thinking going in. I think
> Slipknot are a joke but i was at least confident in
> the fact that the guy would be a solid, death metal
> style, double-pedal machine-gunning drummer. Which is
> perfect for Ministry. Maybe it's the fact that he was
> playing along with pre-programmed beats that was
> throwing off his game. But man, he barely hit hard at
> all and sort of eked his way through the set. It would
> have been amazing with the drummer from Fear Factory.
> That guy probably farts out double-pedal bursts.
>
> Leigh
>
>
> --- Christof hamille <wessidetempest at hotmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Isn't this the Slipknot guy?  And shouldn't Ministry
>> be a cakewalk for him?
>> I know little to nothing about Slipknot but it seems
>> like any metal drummer
>> that is good should find this easy.
>>
>> Chris
>>
>>
>>> From: Leigh Newton <angrytomhanks at yahoo.com>
>>> Reply-To: "A list about all things Killing Joke
>> (the
>>> band!)"<gathering at misera.net>
>>> To: "A list about all things Killing Joke (the
>> band!)"
>>> <gathering at misera.net>
>>> Subject: Re: [kj] Ministry in NYC tonight
>>> Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2006 17:40:49 -0700 (PDT)
>>>
>>> Raven gave me and my friend copies of the new
>> Ministry
>>> CD and some of it is actually pretty rad,
>>> particularily the first 2 tracks. The Joey Jordison
>>> criticisms are dead on. He absolutely sucked,
>> played
>>> with no conviction whatsoever, and slopped up
>> Stigmata
>>> when I saw them as well. Lucky for him that he's
>>> playing along with pre-programmed beats, otherwise
>> the
>>> whole deal would have been one big pisstake.
>>>
>>> Leigh
>>>
>>>
>>> --- Pssyche <pssyche at soia.freeserve.co.uk> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Thanks for that Alex - I saw both nights at BB
>> Kings
>>>> on their last
>>>> 'EvilDoer' tour and thought the venue was shit,
>>>> hence our decision to go
>>>> somewhere else this time round. Most of the
>> negative
>>>> posts on Ministry's
>>>> Piss Army site have the same criticisms -
>> slagging
>>>> off Joey Jordison, while
>>>> many seem to think it's too loud.
>>>> I love the newer stuff myself, to be honest I
>> get a
>>>> bit fed up with 'So
>>>> What' etc being played every show - similarities
>>>> with the Joke (and indeed
>>>> many other bands) in that predictable setlists
>> get
>>>> on the regulars' tits!!!
>>>> Cheers
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: "Alex Smith" <vassifer at earthlink.net>
>>>> To: "A list about all things Killing Joke (the
>>>> band!)"
>>>> <gathering at misera.net>; "A list about all things
>>>> Killing Joke (the band!)"
>>>> <gathering at misera.net>
>>>> Sent: Thursday, June 15, 2006 4:24 PM
>>>> Subject: Re: [kj] Ministry in NYC tonight
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I'll post a longer, more detailed review later,
>> but
>>>> some thoughts re:
>>>> Ministry last night....
>>>>
>>>> 1. BB Kings Blues Bar was the *WRONG* venue to
>> book
>>>> this show. Too small (it
>>>> was totally packed) and the sound is so
>> compressed
>>>> that it was akin to
>>>> standing in front of a 747 engine for three
>> hours.
>>>>
>>>> 2. Did not catch the Pitbull Daycare, and don't
>>>> really feel a great deal of
>>>> remorse.
>>>>
>>>> 3. I met my friend Christina (she from that
>> fabled
>>>> earlier photo with m'self
>>>> and Raven on Andy's Gathering site) and her
>> friend
>>>> John and made it in no
>>>> problem. Raven gamely put Peggy (my wife) on the
>>>> list as well, but she
>>>> couldn't make it (someone had to mind the kids),
>> so
>>>> my "date" or plus-one
>>>> ended up being Julya (slutty and stupid ex-FUSE
>>>> veejay), who is a friend of
>>>> John's. She was hungover and unfriendly and was
>>>> later seen being asked to
>>>> leave the venue by security. Rock'n'roll!
>>>>
>>>> 4. The Revolting Cocks were easily the high
>> point of
>>>> the show. Opened with
>>>> "Beers, Steers + Queers," and suddenly a wave of
>>>> early-90's nostalgia swept
>>>> over the room. Luc Van Acker has not aged well
>> and
>>>> is now a total buffoon.
>>>> There is another vocalist who looks a bit like
>>>> Crispin Glover/Hitler who I
>>>> was unfamiliar with. And he's a bit of an
>> idiotic
>>>> bore. But the rest of the
>>>> band (featuring the odd ex-Skatenig, I believe)
>> was
>>>> great. The bass player
>>>> (not Raven) is indeed a huge hottie, somewhat
>> like
>>>> vintage-era Corey from
>>>> Nashville Pussy. They also played: "Attack Ships
>> On
>>>> Fire" (my personal
>>>> fave), "D'ya Think I'm Sexy," "Let's Get
>> Physical"
>>>> and a rousing version of
>>>> "Stainless Steel Providers." They also did a
>> cover
>>>> of "Dark Entries" (by
>>>> Bauhaus), which was surprisingly faithful. An
>>>> excellent performance.
>>>>
>>>> 5. Lots of drunk idiots in the crowd. And sweaty
>>>> males. Did not spot a
>>>> SINGLE Killing Joke shirt (other than the one I
>> was
>>>> sporting).
>>>>
>>>> 6. Ministry come on. Bones on the mics.
>> Projection
>>>> behind at all times.
>>>> Strobes. Raven a good two feet taller than his
>>>> bandmates. Both Raven and Al
>>>> sporting Jaz-esque black warpaint. Raven gets a
>> pass
>>>> for this, as far as I'm
>>>> concerned, but try being original, AL!!!!
>>>>
>>>> 7. The Ministry set: lots and lots and lots and
>> lots
>>>> of new stuff. And ya
>>>> know what? It's DULLLLLLLLLLL. Totally
>>>> monocrhomatic. Very little deviation.
>>>>
>>>> 8. Tommy Victor must have made some pact with
>> the
>>>> devil, as he has not aged
>>>> a day. He is also VERY energetic on stage. Man
>> loves
>>>> his work.  He and Al
>>>> Jourgensen, according to Raven, do not get on
>> well,
>>>> and Raven has to act as
>>>> go-between.
>>>>
>>>> 9. It was Mike Scaccia's birthday. He was
>> wearing a
>>>> Lynyrd Skynyrd shirt.
>>>> Most unfortunate, this.
>>>>
>>>> 10. Joey from Slipknot on drums -- Raven loves
>> him
>>>> (and evidently GEORDIE
>>>> does to, so sayeth Raven), but he was clearly
>> having
>>>> a hard time keeping up.
>>>> Couldn't tell if he was wearing a mask or not,
>> but
>>>> he's clearly a freaky
>>>> lookin' dude.
>>>>
>>>> 11. Bechdel still has the `hawk.
>>>>
>>>> 12. Songs played in addition to new stuff:
>> "N.W.O,"
>>>> "Thieves," "So What,"
>>>> "Just One Fix," and a truly dead-on-arrival limp
>>>> through "Stigmata" wherein
>>>> poor Joey started to lose his place. Most
>>>> unfortunate.
>>>>
>>>> 13. Al Jourgensen clearly has a lot to say about
>> the
>>>> Bush Administration and
>>>> how this country is going down the toilet, but
>>>> y'know what? For all anyone
>>>> could hear (let alone decipher through his
>> heavily
>>>> treated, vocoded vocals),
>>>> he could've just been screaming out the names of
>> all
>>>> the State capitals. All
>>>> gobbledigook.
>>>>
>>>> 14. It was VERY loud. No surprises there.
>>>>
>>>> 15. Raven - clearly enjoying himself, though
>> seemed
>>>> a bit upset onstage
>>>> (it's always somewhat hard to distinguish these
>> two
>>>> expressions).
>>>>
>>>> Met up with Raven afterwards, and we repaired to
>> the
>>>> bar at the Paramount
>>>> hotel. Lots of gossipy chin-wagging ensued.
>> Raven
>>>> drank mineral water the
>>>> entire time. Businss dealings with all things
>>>> Killing Joke continue to be a
>>>> stupefying mess, but he does not rule out
>> re-joining
>>>> the fold. Lots of
>>>> bullshit and deception in the air, but Raven
>> seems
>>>> to approach proceedings
>>>> from a "life's too short" perspective, to his
>>>> credit. GEMS OF POWER, as has
>>>> been suggested, will probably never see the
>> light of
>>>> day. Raven was
>>>> surprised to hear that the `Joke have evidently
>>>> dropped the new material
>>>> from their live set. For you Yank radio fans,
>>>> evidently Raven and Al will be
>>>> guests on Opie & Anthony today (which may have
>>>> already happened).
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Overall, while it was great fun hanging out with
>>>> Raven (who sends his
>>>> regards to you all, though is not subscribed to
>> the
>>>> Gathering these days),
>>>> the Ministry show was far from the best thing
>> I've
>>>> ever seen. Bring
>>>> earplugs, if you're going.
>>>>
>>>> Pictures to follow. Not many, though.
>>>>
>>>> Cheers,
>>>> Alex in NYC
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: Pssyche <pssyche at soia.freeserve.co.uk>
>>>>> Sent: Jun 15, 2006 10:48 AM
>>>>> To: "A list about all things Killing Joke (the
>>>> band!)"
>>>> <gathering at misera.net>
>>>>> Subject: Re: [kj] Ministry in NYC tonight
>>>>>
>>>>> me and a mate are going - tickets are $20 - and
>>>> I've been warned not to
>>>>> wander anywhere away from the venue and not to
>> hang
>>>> about afterwards
>>>> either.
>>>>> However, I was told the venue is great and
>> Detroit
>>>> crowds are the best in
>>>>> the USA so.....
>>>>>
>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>> From: "Christof hamille"
>>>> <wessidetempest at hotmail.com>
>>>>> To: <gathering at misera.net>
>>>>> Sent: Thursday, June 15, 2006 5:32 AM
>>>>> Subject: Re: [kj] Ministry in NYC tonight
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> No I wish.
>>>>>> Harpo's.
>>>>>> Straight up metal veune complete with thugs
>> for
>>>> security.  In a shitty
>>>>> part
>>>>>> of town (do not leave an empty bottle in your
>> car
>>>> in fear of being broken
>>>>>> into and stolen).
>>>>>> I'll put it this way.  I have seen Motörhead
>>>> there twice.  Gwar with the
>>>>>> Dickies and Buzzoven (opening bnads is whay I
>>>> went) at this venue.  Back
>>>>> in
>>>>>> the day the Dead Kennedy's and the Ramones
>> would
>>>> play there
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Want to go?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ugghh
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Chris
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> From: P Bernardi <phantasmas at erols.com>
>>>>>>> Reply-To: phantasmas at erols.com,"A list about
>> all
>>>> things Killing Joke
>>>> (the
>>>>>>> band!)"<gathering at misera.net>
>>>>>>> To: "A list about all things Killing Joke
>> (the
>>>> band!)"
>>>>>>> <gathering at misera.net>
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [kj] Ministry in NYC tonight
>>>>>>> Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2006 00:27:33 -0400
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Chris,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> which venue in Detroit is it? Is it the same
>> one
>>>> thats down the road
>>>> from
>>>>>>> Majestic/Magic stick?
>>>>>>> p-
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Christof hamille wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Alex let me know how it is.  Really I have
>> no
>>>> desire to go other then
>>>> to
>>>>>>>> see Raven and Bruchdel (sp?).  I am
>> guessing
>>>> the tix will be $30 after
>>>>>>>> service charge and I am being a snob.  Plus
>> the
>>>> Detroit show is at a
>>>>>>>> notorious metal venue that is in a shitty
>> part
>>>> of town with even
>>>>> shittier
>>>>>>>> security.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> If I could get in somehow without forking
>> out
>>>> the dough I would (simply
>>>>>>>> because of the venue).
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I would rather hand Al my money in person
>> then
>>>> through that place
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Chris
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> drunk in Detroit
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> From: Alex Smith <vassifer at earthlink.net>
>>>>>>>>> Reply-To: Alex Smith
>>>> <vassifer at earthlink.net>,"A list about all
>> things
>>>>>>>>> Killing Joke (the
>>>> band!)"<gathering at misera.net>
>>>>>>>>> To: "A list about all things Killing Joke
>> (the
>>>> band!)"
>>>>>>>>> <gathering at misera.net>,
>> gathering at misera.net,
>>>> partyslammer at socal.rr.com
>>>>>>>>> Subject: [kj] Ministry in NYC tonight
>>>>>>>>> Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2006 14:20:16 -0400
>> (EDT)
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Should've asked this earlier, but is
>> anyone
>>>> else (apart from m'self)
>>>>>>>>> going tonight at BB King's?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Lemme know.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Alex in NYC
>>>>>>
>>>>
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