[kj] Jaz Straw

[Scarlet]

well, most sincerely, Abraham and Moses are both "prophets" and a
Prophet  is a person who has directly encountered God, of whose
intentions he can then speak, which to me at least makes 'em
messengers.

Now admittedly this is not the same as messiah. But I think you'l find
Abarham is thought of as a prophet, just like Mosses, and therefore a
messenger of God.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tanakh

Will
 Love
  ALWays

Scarlet

On 10/13/06, The Exorcist <killingjoke at speakeasy.net> wrote:
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> In Judiasm:
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> Abraham is considered a forefather not a messenger.
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> The first one referred to as "messenger of god" is Moses.
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> I am not referring to the origin of the Jewish ppl. I am simply stating that
> Abraham (according to Jewish belief) is not considered a messenger.
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> Sincerely,
> Me :)
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> At 05:28 PM 10/13/2006, you wrote:
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> Dude,
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> Abraham...first Jewish Patriarch whom God chose to bless...He was the guy who started Judaism - geeze!
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> While not exactly messianic, without Abraham, there's no Jewish, Muslim or Christian faith. Even  Mormons consider Abraham as fundamental to their faith.
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> Many of the religous traditions of the Jews come from Abraham's life.
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> Plus, Abraham is the ony guy I know who actually had a fight with god - I mean fisty cuffs.
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> Will
>  Love
>   ALWays
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> Scarlet
> On 10/13/06, The Exorcist < killingjoke at speakeasy.net
> > wrote:
> Jews consider Abraham as a messenger from god???
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> Why can't we just stick with this http://www.johnofgod.com/ and leave it be?
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> My 3 cents...
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> At 04:44 PM 10/12/2006, you wrote:
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> Wrong again dick!
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> Islam believes that Jesus was a messenger from God. Some Christians (Eastern Orthodox) believe Jesus IS God as a man. Though Catholic and some Protetant sects believe Jesus was a messenger from God. Christians and Muslims and Jews believe Abraham was a messenger from God.
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> The Religions are 'fundamentally different' because their basic principles of worship are different - though I doubt you even know what a principle is.
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> Will
>  Love
>   ALWays
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> Scarlet
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> On 10/12/06, flight Bringer < flightbringer at hotmail.co.uk> wrote: Also Christianity , Islam and Judaism all believe in the same God , so it would be incorrect to label them "fundamentally different". The difference lies in whom they believe to be the messenger of God .
> >From: Jim Harper <jimharper666 at yahoo.co.uk > >Reply-To: "A list about all things Killing Joke (the >band!)"< gathering at misera.net> >To: "A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)" ><gathering at misera.net > >Subject: Re: [kj] Jaz Straw >Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2006 21:08:38 +0100 (BST) > >So it's possible to follow two fundamentally different religions? > >   You're such a twat. This whole monumental stupidity act is indeed >primarily an act, but what kind of idiot do you have to be to think that >permanently portraying yourself as mentally sub-normal is funny? Amazing. > >flight Bringer < flightbringer at hotmail.co.uk> wrote: >   ******Christian Jews are a small sect of who consider themselves to be >Christians . They are mainly Jews who have converted to Christianity and >they are seen as a threat to the Jewish Religion . > > > http://www.flipsidemovies.com > http://jimharper.blogspot.com >  Send instant messages to your online friends > http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com
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