[kj] Killing joke and Communism

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LOL!!!

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From: gathering-bounces at misera.net [mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net]On Behalf Of Per G Olsson
Sent: 21 August 2007 22:50
To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)
Subject: Re: [kj] Killing joke and Communism


PETE 
the reception here is bad
you're cracking up

21 aug 2007 kl. 23.47 skrev Frank Frik:


Alex. chicka chica wack wack   kakakakakakakaka  wack wack......kakakakakakakaka

Brendan < bq at soundgardener.co.nz> wrote: 

wah-wah-chikka-wah...


> Che Guevara shirts are ubiquitous here in the States, yet quiz the

> average person wearing one about who he was and/or what he represents

> (let alone what his name was or where he was from) and you'll

> probably be met with a blank stare.

>

> I blame Rage Against the Machine.

>

> Alex in NYC

>

>

>

>

> On Aug 21, 2007, at 5:07 PM, Mister Black wrote:

>

>> Che Gue Vara :

>> Where does he fit in? Is his image rebellious or offensive or is

>> it something that is adhered to? Does anyone own a Che Gue Vara T-

>> shirt? I think that they look so naff , I cant see anyone on this

>> list owing a Che Gue Vara t-shirt or poster , except for maybe Tin .

>>

>> ========================================

>> Message Received: Aug 21 2007, 09:55 PM

>> From: "B. Oliver Sheppard"

>> To: "A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)"

>> Cc:

>> Subject: Re: [kj] Killing joke and Communism

>>

>> I like the Killng Joke hammer & sickle logo. I'm pretty sure Alex is

>> right that it is an ultimately meaningless thing, a kind of punk-era

>> playing with ideological symbols of the past to be provocative -- the

>> Sex Pistols wore swastikas, they did also wear commie symbols (and not

>> just in the Alex Cox movie) while bands like Durruti Column were named

>> after an anarchist band, and Crass of course employed the crossed-out

>> cross and circle-A, though, dammit, they were serious. Punk started

>> all

>> that "let;s use provocative political symbols to get a rise out of

>> people" stuff.

>>

>> A few years ago there was a trend of army green messenger bags with

>> red

>> stars on them, or black shirts with a big red star on the, probably

>> intended to invoke associations w/ communism and/or anarcho-

>> syndicalism.

>> Of these are all made by capitalist outfitters. It's one of those

>> punk-started things that percolated up into mass market conusmerist

>> culture.

>>

>> Jaz's political statements have been so wild and varied over the

>> years I

>> dunno where to consistently place him on any scale.

>>

>> They also used Nazis saluting a pope! One of my fave band-appropriated

>> images ever used. :)

>>

>> -Oliver

>>

>>

>> Frank Frik wrote:

>> > And perhaps British labour goverment wouldn't be offended...lnew

>> > labour from communists is not that far....swastica defended/and do

>> > the ''conservationist democrat centrist right wing. partys''.

>> >

>> > */Mister Black /* wrote:

>>

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