[kj] Killing joke and Communism

[Brendan]

"I invented the piano keyboard tie, what did you ever do?!"

haha...



> Fashion victims!

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> -----Original Message-----

> From: gathering-bounces at misera.net [mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net]On

> Behalf Of Alexander Smith

> Sent: 21 August 2007 22:32

> To: ssssssssss at fsmail.net; A list about all things Killing Joke (the

> band!)

> Subject: Re: [kj] Killing joke and Communism

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>

> Che Guevara shirts are ubiquitous here in the States, yet quiz the average

> person wearing one about who he was and/or what he represents (let alone

> what his name was or where he was from) and you'll probably be met with a

> blank stare.

>

> I blame Rage Against the Machine.

>

> Alex in NYC

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>

> On Aug 21, 2007, at 5:07 PM, Mister Black wrote:

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> Che Gue Vara :

>   Where does he fit in? Is his image rebellious or offensive or is it

> something that is adhered to? Does anyone own a Che Gue Vara T-shirt? I

> think  that they look so naff , I cant see anyone on this list owing a

> Che Gue Vara t-shirt or poster , except for maybe Tin  .

>

>

>

> =======================================Message Received: Aug 21 2007,

> 09:55 PM

> From: "B. Oliver Sheppard"

> To: "A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)"

> Cc:

> Subject: Re: [kj] Killing joke and Communism

>

> I like the Killng Joke hammer & sickle logo. I'm pretty sure Alex is

> right that it is an ultimately meaningless thing, a kind of punk-era

> playing with ideological symbols of the past to be provocative -- the

> Sex Pistols wore swastikas, they did also wear commie symbols (and not

> just in the Alex Cox movie) while bands like Durruti Column were named

> after an anarchist band, and Crass of course employed the crossed-out

> cross and circle-A, though, dammit, they were serious. Punk started all

> that "let;s use provocative political symbols to get a rise out of

> people" stuff.

>

> A few years ago there was a trend of army green messenger bags with red

> stars on them, or black shirts with a big red star on the, probably

> intended to invoke associations w/ communism and/or anarcho-syndicalism.

> Of these are all made by capitalist outfitters. It's one of those

> punk-started things that percolated up into mass market conusmerist

> culture.

>

> Jaz's political statements have been so wild and varied over the years I

> dunno where to consistently place him on any scale.

>

> They also used Nazis saluting a pope! One of my fave band-appropriated

> images ever used. :)

>

> -Oliver

>

>

> Frank Frik wrote:

>> And perhaps British labour goverment wouldn't be offended...lnew

>> labour from communists is not that far....swastica defended/and do

>> the ''conservationist democrat centrist right wing. partys''.

>>

>> */Mister Black /* wrote:

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