[kj] Killing joke and Communism

[jpwhkj at aol.com]

It's a bit more complex than that.

In some countries the Catholic church wasn't merely tagging along, they were at the forefront of Nazism or Fascism.? Slovakia (where the leader of the puppet govt installed by the Nazis was a Catholic priest) and Croatia are the prime examples.? In other countries, the Catholic church was more ambiguous, and in others actively opposed.? Certainly the German resistance to Hitler contained a lot of Christians (which in Germany meant protestants as well as catholics) - so did the French (which was a mostly Catholic country).

Conversely, if you look at the non-religious people in Germany, you will find many who supported Hitler... and of course plenty of others who did not.

In short, I don't think there's any useful correlation between religion and attitudes to politics, just as there isn't a correlation between lack of religion and attitudes to politics.

Jamie




-----Original Message-----
From: ade <ade at the-lab.zetnet.co.uk>
To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!) <gathering at misera.net>
Sent: Tue, 21 Aug 2007 10.05pm
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> They also used Nazis saluting a pope! One of my fave band-appropriated 

images ever used.

This one is the best - showing the Catholic church's duplicity: "We don't
want to upset the Nazi's in case they win & come looking for us". Nice!

-----Original Message-----
From: gathering-bounces at misera.net
[mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net]On Behalf Of B. Oliver Sheppard
Sent: 21 August 2007 21:55
To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)
Subject: Re: [kj] Killing joke and Communism


I like the Killng Joke hammer & sickle logo. I'm pretty sure Alex is 
right that it is an ultimately meaningless thing, a kind of punk-era 
playing with ideological symbols of the past to be provocative -- the 
Sex Pistols wore swastikas, they did also wear commie symbols (and not 
just in the Alex Cox movie) while bands like Durruti Column were named 
after an anarchist band, and Crass of course employed the crossed-out 
cross and circle-A, though, dammit, they were serious. Punk started all 
that "let;s use provocative political symbols to get a rise out of 
people" stuff.

A few years ago there was a trend of army green messenger bags with red 
stars on them, or black shirts with a big red star on the, probably 
intended to invoke associations w/ communism and/or anarcho-syndicalism. 
Of these are all made by capitalist outfitters. It's one of those 
punk-started things that percolated up into mass market conusmerist culture.

Jaz's political statements have been so wild and varied over the years I 
dunno where to consistently place him on any scale.

They also used Nazis saluting a pope! One of my fave band-appropriated 
images ever used. :)

-Oliver


Frank Frik wrote:

> And perhaps British labour goverment wouldn't be offended...lnew 

> labour from communists is not that far....swastica defended/and do  

> the ''conservationist democrat centrist right wing. partys''. 

>

> */Mister Black <ssssssssss at fsmail.net>/* wrote:


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