[kj] Killing joke and Communism

[Brendan]

Not according to page 378 of the Manifesto it's not, dammit!


> Mate, *any* system you can think of is imperfect.

>

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> Sent: 22 August 2007 23:15

> To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)

> Subject: Re: [kj] Killing joke and Communism

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> You need to realise that 'economic growth' of x% / year is

> unsustainable...a percentage growth / year equation, similar to

> compounding interest, results in exponential growth. All the economies

> (and corporations) are constantly comparing their progress in terms of

> profit growth, market share growth, asset growth etc, against each other.

> It's a race.

>

> However with finite resources, exponential growth eventually hits the

> wall...even if you can automate everything to death so that machines are

> perpetually exponentially more productive than humans...your natural

> resources run out, and / or waste builds up to the point where it stymies

> production.

>

> It's one of the many problems with capitalism. Having said that, I agree

> that I'd prefer to be living in a demorcatic capitalist society than a

> repressive regime, just pointing out that it's an imperfect system...as

> Ade and Olly and some others have pointed out, they all are. (Robert Anton

> Wilson's core message wrapped up right there).

>

> Having said that, I'm still working on my Manifesto, which aims to address

> all of the above ;P

>

>> "(with all goods distributed according to need, not status)"

>>

>>  Well, we all dont *need* much to survive , no one *needs* expensive

>> cars

>> or Jewellery or  large houses or anything of that nature , all we "need"

>> is food , shelter and water . You dont realise Greg that people

>> consuming

>> things keeps others in employment . If we only consumed what we needed,

>> then that would take away many peoples employment .

>>     And who decides who needs what? That Human survival instinct makes

>> us

>> naturally Capitalist . In Communist Countries , there is only minimal

>> need for consumer goods , so there is a lot of people without jobs to

>> do, so they have 20 people "employed" to do a one man job .

>>   How about giving goods to people who contribute the most to society?

>> How

>> about giving people who make the most contribution a piece of paper

>> entitling them to rewards for there hard work? How about calling this

>> piece of paper: Money? *

>>

>> *Is that the correct punctuation ?

>>

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>> Message Received: Aug 22 2007, 04:36 AM

>> From: "GREG SLAWSON"

>> To: "A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)"

>> Cc:

>> Subject: Re: [kj] Killing joke and Communism

>>

>> I respectfully disagree. Socialism (the big S one?) is what existed in

>> the

>> USSR and China and is hanging on in Cuba. They all maintained

>> heirarchical

>> leadership, wage slavery and wage differences, and economic/political

>> classes. And in China and Russia they led to the current grotesque forms

>> of capitalism (rampant unemployment, crime, drugs, alienation, social

>> unrest, poverty). The other (small s?) or Euro-socialism certainly has

>> advantages (as displayed in the new Micheal Moore film) but maintains

>> all

>> the bad parts of capitalism (unemployment, alienation,

>> crime, economic cylcles, top-down leadership, etc). I prefer communism

>> with a big C--summed up in a slogan I made up:

>> No wages (with all goods distributed according to need, not status),

>> No stages (as in stages from national liberation to socialism to

>> communism, which has failed in countless countries),

>> No borders (one world, one party, one flag),

>> No orders (all decisions made collectively).

>> A lot of this stuff can be found at www.plp.org...

>>

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