[kj] 1000 SUNS Outside Gate and PHANTASMAGORIA
Alex Smith
vassifer at earthlink.net
Fri Feb 23 16:53:19 EST 2007
Speaking of India and metal, it seems Iron Maiden are going to be playing there in Bangalore this summer -- allegedly the first Western Metal band to do so.
Up the Irons.
Alex in NYC
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>From: bigblackhair at sbcglobal.net
>Sent: Feb 23, 2007 4:24 PM
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>You probably heard about their recent LP _Christ Illusion_ getting "banned" in India by Xtian groups? (Recalled by label and pulled from shelves after religious pressure.)
>
>http://www.billboard.com/bbcom/news/article_display.jsp?vnu_content_id=1003223377
>
>-Oliver
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>----- Original Message ----
>From: Leigh Newton <angrytomhanks at yahoo.com>
>To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!) <gathering at misera.net>
>Sent: Friday, February 23, 2007 12:21:21 PM
>Subject: Re: [kj] 1000 SUNS Outside Gate and PHANTASMAGORIA
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>Like i said, i love South Of Heaven. I think that and Reign in Blood are Slayer's only essential albums. Good songs exist here and there on the other releases.
>
>----- Original Message ----
>From: peter muckle <pmuckle00 at hotmail.com>
>To: gathering at misera.net
>Sent: Friday, February 23, 2007 4:33:08 AM
>Subject: Re: [kj] 1000 SUNS Outside Gate and PHANTASMAGORIA
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>
>Yeah have to agree Slayer did slow down, but it was still listenable unlike
>other bands
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>>From: Leigh Newton <angrytomhanks at yahoo.com>
>>Reply-To: "A list about all things Killing Joke (the
>>band!)"<gathering at misera.net>
>>To: "A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)"
>><gathering at misera.net>
>>Subject: Re: [kj] 1000 SUNS Outside Gate and PHANTASMAGORIA
>>Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2007 21:26:21 -0800 (PST)
>>
>>I think Slayer going from the breakneck, unrelenting thrash metal of Reign
>>in Blood to the slowed down, creepy melodicism of South of Heaven was a
>>pretty gutsy about-face. Probably the only ballsy move they've ever made,
>>artistically speaking. The backlash was so bad that, since then, they've
>>pretty much been giving the fans exactly what they want. Too bad cuz i
>>think South of Heaven is incredible. Who would think that thrashmetalheads
>>in 1988 would be so single-minded? Hmm...
>>
>>
>>
>>----- Original Message ----
>>From: peter muckle <pmuckle00 at hotmail.com>
>>To: vassifer at earthlink.net
>>Cc: gathering at misera.net
>>Sent: Thursday, February 22, 2007 6:19:09 PM
>>Subject: Re: [kj] 1000 SUNS Outside Gate and PHANTASMAGORIA
>>
>>
>>I have to agree with you, Outside the Gate was a drastic change.
>>Does anyone know of any similar band having such a drastic change or will
>>this go down as a record breaking event.
>>
>>Pete
>>
>>
>> >From: Alex Smith <vassifer at earthlink.net>
>> >Reply-To: Alex Smith <vassifer at earthlink.net>,"A list about all things
>> >Killing Joke (the band!)"<gathering at misera.net>
>> >To: "A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)"
>> ><gathering at misera.net>, "A list about all things Killing Joke (the
>>band!)"
>> ><gathering at misera.net>
>> >Subject: Re: [kj] 1000 SUNS and PHANTASMAGORIA
>> >Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2007 16:55:52 -0500 (EST)
>> >
>> >
>> >I don't remember being as crushed by hearing "Grimly Fiendish" by the
>> >Damned as I was when I first heard "Adorations" by the `Joke, but then --
>>I
>> >was always *way* more into the `Joke. Still not a fan of that single.
>>When
>> >the album came out, there were at least a few tracks with oomph to them
>> >(notably "Chessboards" and "Rubicon") and its aged fairly well, I'd say,
>> >but it's never been one of my favorites.
>> >
>> >That all said, *ABSOLUTELY NOTHING* can compare to the jaw-dropping
>> >disbelief and abject disapointment I felt when I first heard "America"
>>(to
>> >say nothing of the rest of the album that spawned it).
>> >
>> >Alex in NYC
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >-----Original Message-----
>> > >From: gingoblin at easynet.co.uk
>> > >Sent: Feb 22, 2007 4:36 PM
>> > >To: "A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)"
>> ><gathering at misera.net>
>> > >Subject: Re: [kj] 1000 SUNS and PHANTASMAGORIA
>> > >
>> > >Indeed, and an era for both bands that I now look back on and think
>>"hmm,
>> > >not the best really, no matter how hard I tried to convince myself
>> > >otherwise at the time"! Actually, wasn't keen on 1000 Suns when it
>>came
>> > >out either (and no, let's not start that one again!)
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >At 20:39 22/02/2007 +0000, you wrote:
>> > >>This was a new chapter for the damned, similar to the Killing Joke era
>> >of
>> > >>1000 Suns.
>> > >>
>> > >>
>> > >> >From: "Jerry Butson" <jerry at fleamusic.com>
>> > >> >Reply-To: "A list about all things Killing Joke (the
>> > >> >band!)"<gathering at misera.net>
>> > >> >To: "A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)"
>> > >> ><gathering at misera.net>
>> > >> >Subject: Re: [kj] OT: in Defense of PHANTASMAGORIA by the Damned
>> > >> >Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2007 12:50:52 +0000
>> > >> >
>> > >> >My vote for one of the Damned's finest vinyl moments goes to he 12"
>> >version
>> > >> >of Alone Again Or in its breakneck speed, edited
>> > >> >on-the-fly-with-a-pair-of-rusty-scissors version...fantastic!
>> > >> >
>> > >> >On 22/02/07, gingoblin at easynet.co.uk <gingoblin at easynet.co.uk>
>>wrote:
>> > >> >>
>> > >> >>Yeah, I do kinda enjoy Phantasmagoria the very few times I play it
>> >these
>> > >> >>days, but after all these years I've realised for it to REALLY be
>>the
>> > >> >>Damned, it needs Vanian/Scabies/Sensible. They've had their moments
>> >with
>> > >> >>the different line-ups, but nothing even comes close to the amazing
>> >stuff
>> > >> >>of the earlier years. I remember hearing a comp CD in some pub...
>> >it was
>> > >> >>absolute genius right up to Grimly Fiendish coming on, when I
>>wished
>> >it
>> > >> >>would just end. Kinda summed it up for me.
>> > >> >>As for their "image"... as Scabies said, Vanian could dress as a
>> >binman
>> > >> >>and
>> > >> >>still look good, while he himself could put on the finest clothes
>>and
>> > >> >>still
>> > >> >>be a mess!!
>> > >> >>Must admit, can't stand Eloise... though that's possibly from it
>> >being the
>> > >> >>"hit" and having heard it way too often over the years. The current
>> > >> >>line-up
>> > >> >>do the best version so far, but could still do without it!
>> > >> >>Oh, and the Five Foot One thing... I came out and directly asked
>>them
>> > >> >>around that time, and they didn't own up! I recall asking Rat if
>> >covering
>> > >> >>Five Foot One had anything to do with Vanian's height (to which he
>> >replied
>> > >> >>"oh, I wouldn't say that to him"!!). Ah, my ever-tactful youth!
>> > >> >>
>> > >> >>Dave in Edinburgh
>> > >> >>
>> > >> >>
>> > >> >>
>> > >> >>
>> > >> >>
>> > >> >>At 09:15 21/02/2007 -0500, you wrote:
>> > >> >>
>> > >> >> >Just a few words in defense of PHANTASMAGORIA. I was shocked as
>> >everyone
>> > >> >> >else at said album's comparatively gloppy overproduction. Despite
>> >the
>> > >> >> >funereal trappings, it owed more to the likes of Meat Loaf and
>> >Bonnie
>> > >> >> >Tyler than it did to any Goth making the `rounds at the time (by
>> > >> >> >comparison, the Sisters of Mercy sound like the Ramones). That
>> >said,
>> > >> >>there
>> > >> >> >were still some fine moments of pure pop on it (notably "Street
>>of
>> > >> >>Dreams"
>> > >> >> >and "Grimly Fiendish", although "Is It A Dream?" is just crap
>> >across the
>> > >> >> >board). I'm also a big fan of the non-album single "Eloise,"
>> >another
>> > >> >> >hoarily windswept and overproduced gem. Was in Punk? Not
>> >especially, but
>> > >> >> >who cares?
>> > >> >> >
>> > >> >> >As a college freshman in 1985 out in the bowels of Ohio, I
>>remember
>> > >> >> >packing into a crowded station wagon to drive across scary,
>> > >> >>backwoods-ass
>> > >> >> >Midwestern pigfuck country to Kentucky to catch the Damned on the
>> > >> >> >PHANTASMAGORIA tour (which, for some reason, bypassed the nearest
>> >city
>> > >> >>to
>> > >> >> >our school, Columbus). As over-the-top as their image and
>>aesthetic
>> >had
>> > >> >> >become (Hammer horror films, candelabras, graveyard shtick), they
>> >were
>> > >> >>as
>> > >> >> >full-on live as can be imagined (and yes -- quite definably PUNK
>>in
>> > >> >>every
>> > >> >> >semblance of the term).
>> > >> >> >
>> > >> >> >I've grown to quite like the PHANTASMAGORIA album as a result.
>> >There are
>> > >> >> >some great moments on ANYTHING as well (notably their cover of
>> >"Alone
>> > >> >> >Again Or" and the title track, which is essentialy a
>> >wafer-thin-re-write
>> > >> >> >of Iggy Pops "Five Foot One"). I saw them again with Brian James
>>et
>> >al.
>> > >> >>on
>> > >> >> >the tour that resulted in the FINAL DAMNATION tour (`90 or so?)
>>at
>> >the
>> > >> >>New
>> > >> >> >Ritz, and they were endearingly shambollic. The last time I saw
>> >them was
>> > >> >> >in the mid-90's at since-shuttered Coney Island High. I don't
>> >believe
>> > >> >>Rat
>> > >> >> >was in attendance, but Dave was there in all his ridiculous
>>glory.
>> >It
>> > >> >>was
>> > >> >> >fun to see them, but it wasn't really "the Damned" as I'd grown
>>to
>> >love.
>> > >> >> >
>> > >> >> >I haven't picked up a new album/single of theirs since I can't
>> >remember
>> > >> >> >when, honestly. But I listened to a clutch of Damned tracks on my
>> >walk
>> > >> >>to
>> > >> >> >work this morning, and the mere fact that their catalog stretches
>> >from
>> > >> >>the
>> > >> >> >stripped-down velocity of "Fish" and "Neat Neat Neat" through to
>> >the
>> > >> >> >ersatz psychedelia of the Naz Nomad stuff and onto their
>> >vanglorious
>> > >> >> >opuses (opi?) like the afore-mentioned "Eloise" is a testament to
>> >their
>> > >> >> >versatility.
>> > >> >> >
>> > >> >> >Bless'em.
>> > >> >> >
>> > >> >> >Alex in NYC
>> > >> >> >
>> > >> >> >
>> > >> >> >
>> > >> >> >-----Original Message-----
>> > >> >> > >From: Mike Porthouse <Mike at rteltd.com>
>> > >> >> > >Sent: Feb 21, 2007 4:02 AM
>> > >> >> > >To: "A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)"
>> > >> >> > <gathering at misera.net>
>> > >> >> > >Subject: Re: [kj] Clip of US punk documentary/riots
>> > >> >> > >
>> > >> >> > >Had the pleasure of seeing the current Damned line-up a couple
>>of
>> > >> >>times
>> > >> >> > last
>> > >> >> > >year (Vanian, Sensible, Stu, Pinch and Monty) and I have to say
>> > >> >>they're
>> > >> >>in
>> > >> >> > >good form. Best I've seen them since the re-union shows in
>>about
>> >88 or
>> > >> >>89.
>> > >> >> > >Vanian and Sensible have a massive stage presence and they're
>>now
>> > >> >>playing
>> > >> >> > >with good musicians. Always a good night out. Some good new
>>songs
>> >and
>> > >> >>a
>> > >> >> > back
>> > >> >> > >catalogue of classics. The only thing for me, which keeps them
>> >from
>> > >> >>being
>> > >> >> > >right up there with the best is their lyrics, which have never
>> >been
>> > >> >> > anything
>> > >> >> > >to get excited about.
>> > >> >> > >BTW the recent MGE DVD release is very good for any Damned fans
>> >who
>> > >> >>don't
>> > >> >> > >already own it.
>> > >> >> > >
>> > >> >> > >Mike Porthouse
>> > >> >> > >
>> > >> >> > >----- Original Message -----
>> > >> >> > >From: <gingoblin at easynet.co.uk>
>> > >> >> > >To: "A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)"
>> > >> >> > ><gathering at misera.net>
>> > >> >> > >Sent: Tuesday, February 20, 2007 9:32 PM
>> > >> >> > >Subject: Re: [kj] Clip of US punk documentary/riots
>> > >> >> > >
>> > >> >> > >
>> > >> >> > >> This was last July, and yes it WAS interesting to say the
>> > >> >>least! Fucking
>> > >> >> > >> great, even if Casey Chaos's voice was shot.
>> > >> >> > >>
>> > >> >> > >> They came VERY close to doing it with Dave and Cap, but
>>that's
>> > >> >>another
>> > >> >> > >> story. It is a shame though... 30 years comes round once.
>> > >> >> > >>
>> > >> >> > >> There was talk of doing a few more dates, but nothing more
>>than
>> > >> >>that.
>> > >> >>You
>> > >> >> > >> never know though!
>> > >> >> > >>
>> > >> >> > >> A couple of pics from the gig :
>> > >> >> > >>
>> > >>
>> >
>> >>http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y239/GinGoblin/100ClubJuly6th20068.jpg
>> > >> >> > >>
>> > >> >> > >>
>> > >>
>> >
>> >>http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y239/GinGoblin/100ClubJuly6th20067.jpg
>> > >> >> > >>
>> > >> >> > >> Dave
>> > >> >> > >>
>> > >> >> > >> At 13:34 20/02/2007 -0500, you wrote:
>> > >> >> > >>>So the Brian James Gang thing made me curious again. Don't
>>own
>> >the
>> > >> >> > >>>release
>> > >> >> > >>>but it sounds promising even the simplistic, idiotic lyrics.
>> >Vocals
>> > >> >>are
>> > >> >> > >>>fine. So I stumble across their (always dreaded) myspace
>>page:
>> > >> >> > >>>
>> > >>
>> >
>> >>http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friend
>> > >> >> > id=106508478
>> > >> >> > >>>
>> > >> >> > >>>and what do I see...
>> > >> >> > >>>DAMNED 30th ANNIVERSARY LINE-UP:
>> > >> >> > >>>Brian James-Guitar,
>> > >> >> > >>>Rat Scabies-Drums
>> > >> >> > >>>Mani-Bass
>> > >> >> > >>>Casey Chaos-Voice
>> > >> >> > >>>
>> > >> >> > >>>This could be interesting. Shame they couldn't do it with
>> >Captain
>> > >> >>and Rat
>> > >> >> > >>>
>> > >> >> > >>>Anyone have anymore details??? IS there a snowballs chance
>>in
>> >hell
>> > >> >>thisis
>> > >> >> > >>>coming to the US? I would actually go see this
>> > >> >> > >>>
>> > >> >> > >>>Chris
>> > >> >> > >>>
>> > >> >> > >>>
>> > >> >> > >>> >From: "TB" <Partyslammer at socal.rr.com>
>> > >> >> > >>> >Reply-To: TB <Partyslammer at socal.rr.com>,"A list about all
>> >things
>> > >> >> > >>> >Killing
>> > >> >> > >>> >Joke (the band!)"<gathering at misera.net>
>> > >> >> > >>> >To: "A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)"
>> > >> >> > >>> ><gathering at misera.net>
>> > >> >> > >>> >Subject: Re: [kj] Clip of US punk documentary/riots
>> > >> >> > >>> >Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2007 09:10:33 -0800
>> > >> >> > >>> >
>> > >> >> > >>> >"Rob's Arse" wrote:
>> > >> >> > >>> >
>> > >> >> > >>> > >
>> > >> >> > >>> > > Grave disorder really was a return to form but Not of
>>this
>> > >> >>Earth
>> > >> >>was
>> > >> >> > >>> > > terrible!
>> > >> >> > >>> > >
>> > >> >> > >>> > > I remember seeing them at the time with Scabies on
>>drums,
>> > >> >>Vanian
>> > >> >>on
>> > >> >> > >>> > > Vocals, Moose from NMA on bass with Kris Dollimore (Mr
>> >Session
>> > >> >> > >>> > > guitar)
>> > >> >> > >>> >and
>> > >> >> > >>> > > Vanian's Grandad (wearing a LEATHER WASTECOAT).
>> > >> >> > >>> > > I left that gig totally heartbroken. They were shitter
>> >than
>> > >> >>shit.
>> > >> >> > >>> > >
>> > >> >> > >>> > > As an aside, we played wit teh Brian James Gang the
>>other
>> >week
>> > >> >>and I
>> > >> >> > >>> >have
>> > >> >> > >>> > > to say that Brian James is a lovely bloke. Shame there
>> >were
>> > >> >>only
>> > >> >>25
>> > >> >> > >>> >people
>> > >> >> > >>> > > at the gig!
>> > >> >> > >>> >
>> > >> >> > >>> >Did Brian have Dave Tregunna with him on bass? Any Lords
>> >tunes
>> > >> >>played?
>> > >> >> > >>> >More
>> > >> >> > >>> >details, man!
>> > >> >> > >>> >
>> > >> >> > >>> >T.B.
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