[kj] [KJ] Killing Joke "Rawk"

[Alexander Smith]

I'll shout WHEN I THINK SHOUTING IS APPLICABLE.

To some, "old hip hop" is just as lamentable -- if not more so --  
than Sting and Supetramp.

For what it's worth, I don't own any Sting albums -- that was just an  
example. I do own everything by the Police though.


Alex in NYC




On Jan 11, 2007, at 3:31 PM, Dimitri Bukharin wrote:


> No Sting or Supertramp I'm afraid! I only bought two albums last  

> year, Killing Joke And Transmission. I don't claim to be cool, to  

> old for that shit but I don't own any records that I'm not proud to  

> have bought.

>  When I'm not listening to the Joke I'm more an electro house and  

> old hip-hop fan though my old punk records get a play now and  

> again. Oh and NO NEED TO SHOUT!

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> On 1/11/07, Alexander Smith <vassifer at earthlink.net> wrote:

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> And why should that be? Worried about people judging you because  

> you happen to own -- let alone like -- an album or two by Sting or  

> Supertramp or something?

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> Look, EVERYone -- even the hippest of uber-hepcats -- owns a guilty  

> pleasure or two. Let's all stop being such ridiculous elitists, for  

> cryin' out loud.

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> LET THE SKELETONS OUT OF THOSE CLOSETS!!

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>

> Alex in NYC

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> On Jan 11, 2007, at 3:02 PM, Dimitri Bukharin wrote:

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>> When have I said I only listen to one type of music? I choose to  

>> keep my tastes in non Killing Joke related music to myself.

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>> On 1/11/07, Alexander Smith <vassifer at earthlink.net > wrote:

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>> Quite sure, thanks.  As someone else said -- I believe it was  

>> Javier -- what a boring life you must lead if you only listen to  

>> one type of music.

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>> Alex in NYC

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>> On Jan 11, 2007, at 12:47 PM, Dimitri Bukharin wrote:

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>>> Paul Simon, Queen........... Are you sure you like Killing Joke?

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>>> On 1/11/07, Alexander Smith <vassifer at earthlink.net > wrote:

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>>> Back in the days of vinyl, I used to organize by genre or by what  

>>> I'd perceive as a quasi-genre ("flavor of the month brit hype  

>>> bands" ala Jesus & Mary Chain, the Primitives, the Sugarcubes,  

>>> etc.) This just got too unwieldy after a while, and upon the  

>>> advent of discs, I just went with alphabetizing, which makes  

>>> loads more sense (although it means certain artists sit  

>>> incongruously next to each other on the shelves..... Paul Simon  

>>> sits next to Siouxsie.... the Plasmatics sit next to Robert  

>>> Plant....Pussy Galore sit next to Queen, etc.)

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>>> Alex in NYC

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>>> On Jan 11, 2007, at 12:28 PM, Javier Garcia wrote:

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>>>> Dimitri wrote:

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>>>> Or not!, and maybe you can do it the way you feel to. I just  

>>>> can't mix some soft/electronic stuff i have with metal... you  

>>>> know what i mean?. It's just my way to look for records easier.  

>>>> It's more practical to me.

>>>> After all, labels and genres exist weather you like it or not.  

>>>> You can use them or not.

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>>>> But you want me to believe that you never, ever use labels...  

>>>> yeah, right! I'm not a label/genre defender, but they are not  

>>>> useless. That's my only point.

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>>>> And so, after your complaint with that store, under what label  

>>>> are KJ now? or they are re-organize all the store and now they  

>>>> went all alphabetical?? So maybe you now can find Killing Joke  

>>>> "easier": it's just next to Kenny G, Khawaja Zia ud din, King  

>>>> Pinz, Kid Rock, Krystal Blue and Kajagoogoo?? HA! Now i call  

>>>> that easy!!!

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>>>> Javier

>>>> MxCty

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>>>> Subject : Re: [kj] [KJ] Killing Joke "Rawk"

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>>>> Date : Thu, 11 Jan 2007 17:02:48 +0000

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>>>> From : "Dimitri Bukharin" < krasnidenamit at googlemail.com>

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>>>> To : "A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)" <  

>>>> gathering at misera.net>

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>>>> You could allways put your collection in alphabetical order then  

>>>> it's dead

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>>>> easy to find everything!

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>>>> A HMV store near me put the Joke in their "rawk" section so I  

>>>> sent a letter

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>>>> of complaint and their back with all the regular shit now.

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>>>> On 1/11/07, Javier Garcia wrote:

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>>>> > Second that man, on the other hand labels are necessary to  

>>>> find a record

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>>>> > on a shop, to organize your CD's (maybe you make your own  

>>>> labeling), to look

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>>>> > for new music in sites like "epitonic"... it's a practical  

>>>> thing; i don't

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>>>> > know, imho there are many useful things about labels. Still, i  

>>>> understand

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>>>> > when the members of a band don't want to be classified by  

>>>> themselves, they

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>>>> > You're damn right! but he would have looked hot, don't you  

>>>> think Pete?!?!

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>>>> > Javier

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>>>> > *Subject : *Re: [kj] [KJ] Killing Joke "Rawk"

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>>>> > *Date : *Wed, 10 Jan 2007 18:56:39 +0000

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>>>> > *From : *"Dimitri Bukharin"

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>>>> > *To : *"A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)" <

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>>>> > Lemmy said in an interview once that Motorhead were a punk  

>>>> band and you

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>>>> > labled Killing Joke as one too so your as guilty of  

>>>> pigeonholing bands as

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>>>> > On 1/10/07, Peter Moltesen wrote:

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>>>> > > I really don't understand that – I was listening to the  

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>>>> > > today and I can hear all kinds of

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>>>> > > influences, from punk to funk to krautrock. Theres all sorts  

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>>>> > > going on in there. Maybe that's why

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>>>> > > KJ stood out so much from the other bands that were around  

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>>>> > > PS - Lemmy never wore spandex – does that mean he's not  

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>>>> > > *On Behalf Of *Dimitri Bukharin

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>>>> > > *Sent:* 10 January 2007 15:41

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>>>> > > *To:* A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)

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>>>> > > *Subject:* [kj] [KJ] Killing Joke "Rawk"

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>>>> > > I listened to the first 5 studio albums today and could not  

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>>>> > > "Rawk" in any of them. Am I missing something while  

>>>> listening to these

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>>>> > fine

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>>>> > > works? I dont remember Jaz in spandex or Geordie with a V- 

>>>> neck guitar

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>>>> > > although I remember Big Paul having a somewhat large drum  

>>>> kit. What

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>>>> > > bands from the 80's shared the Joke's sound? It seems to me  

>>>> fans who

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>>>> > > the Joke from a "rawk" background hear something I don't. I  

>>>> once knew an

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>>>> > ELO

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>>>> > > fan who belived they inspired house music! He was a wrong  

>>>> and so are

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