[kj] OT- Alex, Johnny speaks of the Ramones

[Alexander Smith]

Who's being "arrogant and self indulgent" now?

Look, we can go back and forth on this all day, and it won't change  
matters. It's all perception, but to take away the NYC influence on  
British Punk is just blind-sighted. Think what you want.

Maybe it does happen, but I never hear of these sorts of arguments in  
regards to other genres. In other words, on Genesis discussion  
boards, do you get people squabbling about where Prog Rock started?  
Just curious.

Gabba Gabba Hey.

Alex in NYC


On Sep 21, 2007, at 9:52 AM, iPat wrote:


> The Buzzcocks were not ramones influenced(note the dates):

>

> Slaughter & The Dogs

> Hailing from the notoriously tough Manchester suburb of Wythenshawe

> (once the skinhead capital of the North) Slaughter & The Dogs

> originally formed when Wayne Barrett (vocals) and Mick Rossi (guitar)

> got togetther at school and decided to start a band picking up

> drummer, Brian (Mad Muffett) Grantham on a bus along the way! Bassist

> Howared 'Zip' Bates joined them in late 1975. Wayne thought up the

> name for the band whilst lying in bed prior to their first gig.... a

> mixture of Diamond Dogs by Bowie and Slaughter on 5th Avenue By Mick

> Ronson.

>

> Buzzcocks

> The band was formed in 1975 by guitarist/singer Pete Shelley (real

> name Peter McNeish) and singer Howard Devoto (real name Howard

> Trafford), both students at Bolton Institute of Technology (now the

> University of Bolton). They shared common interests in electronic

> music, the idiosyncratic work of British musician Brian Eno, and

> American protopunk groups like The Stooges and The Velvet Underground.

> In late 1975, Shelley and Devoto recruited a drummer and formed an

> embryonic version of Buzzcocks that never performed and which

> dissolved after a number of rehearsals.

>

> and:

>

> After reading an NME review of the Sex Pistols' first performance,

> Shelley and Devoto travelled to London together to see the Sex Pistols

> in February 1976. Shelley and Devoto were impressed by what they saw

> and arranged for the Sex Pistols to come and perform at the Lesser

> Free Trade Hall in Manchester, in June 1976. Buzzcocks intended to

> play at this concert, but the other musicians dropped out, and Shelley

> and Devoto were unable to recruit other musicians in time for the gig.

> Once they had recruited bass guitarist Steve Diggle and drummer John

> Maher, they made their debut opening for the Sex Pistols' second

> Manchester concert in July 1976. A brief clip of Devoto-era Buzzcocks

> performing The Troggs "I Can't Control Myself" appears in the Punk:

> Attitude documentary directed by Don Letts. In September of 1976 the

> band travelled to London to perform at the two-day 100 Club Punk

> Festival, organized by Malcolm McLaren. Other performers included: the

> Sex Pistols, Subway Sect, Siouxsie & the Banshees, The Clash, The

> Vibrators, The Damned and the French band Stinky Toys.

>

> The Ramones: signed to a recording contract by Seymour Stein of Sire

> Records in Autumn 1975. They soon recorded their debut album, Ramones

> on an extremely low budget; about $6,400. The band was plagued by

> hostile audience reactions outside of New York City; it wasn't until

> they made a small tour of England that they began to see the fruits of

> their labor: a performance at The Roundhouse in London on July 4, 1976

>

> so at least two accepted first wave bands were pre Ramones, totally

> free from that scene

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