[kj] Thread attempt one: ex's back -- now POPE Brendan Sydney...

[The Exorcist]

I'm still furious about the 2006 Embargo. Haven't bought a shirt or 
poster since!

At 04:46 AM 7/19/2008, sade1 wrote:


>Rain it must, O Black Hole Sun..

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>Laugh...

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>I got mine, before the Great Embargo of KJ Product of 2006.

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>... ... ... ... ... ...

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>[looking at the current state of things]

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>'Save me...

>   save me from Tomorrow..

>    I don't want to sail in this Ship Of Fools...!'

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>

>--- On Fri, 7/18/08, Brendan <bq at soundgardener.co.nz> wrote:

>From: Brendan <bq at soundgardener.co.nz>

>Subject: Re: [kj] Thread attempt one: ex's back -- now POPE Brendan Sydney...

>To: "A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)" <gathering at misera.net>

>Date: Friday, July 18, 2008, 11:43 PM

>

>

>That would be perfect! There's catholics wandering all over the place,

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>singing songs etc...how can I get one of those t-shirts ASAP? Does anyone

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>have a scan of that pic that I could take into a shirt printing place?

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>I'll get it done immediately if I can...what a brilliant idea! I'm

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>wandering around in a completely inoffensive Soundgarden t-shirt at the

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>moment.

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>I'll have to brush up on my Jiu Jitsu as well cos I'm bound to get the

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>shit kicked out of me, there's some surprisingly thuggish catholics

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>wandering around...

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>It's funny checking out the wry looks some of the the young goths give the

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>catholics :)

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>But by and large it's a nice atmosphere. PERFECT chance for me to rain on

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>their parade...

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> > veering off on a wild tangent...

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> >

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> >    So, another Brendan from another green Island heads off across the

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> > ocean, to where the Pope was playing tonight: did you wear your Killing

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> > JokeNazi Pope shirt, as is required under the rules?

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> >

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> > gotta luv the m***f***kin' shoes, everytime:

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> > http://d.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/rids/20080713/i/r1537946344.jpg

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> > and God's Goalkeeper w/his defensive line:

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> > http://d.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/rids/20080714/i/r461087373.jpg

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> >

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> >

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> > ... ... ... ... ... ...

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> > (looking at the current state of things)

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> >

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> > 'Save

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>me..

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> >  save me from Tomorrow..

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>

>

> >  I don't want to sail in this Ship Of Fools...!'

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> >

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> > --- On Thu, 7/17/08, Brendan <bq at soundgardener.co.nz> wrote:

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> >

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> > From: Brendan <bq at soundgardener.co.nz>

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> > Subject: Re: [kj] Thread attempt one: ex's back

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> > To: "A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)"

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> > <gathering at misera.net>

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> > Date: Thursday, July 17, 2008, 8:40 PM

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> >

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> > This is the skinny on training with weights and its effect on athletic

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> > performance, so listen up you skinny little runts ;)

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> >

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> > The myth that resistance exercise is no good for athletic performance

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> > largely stems from the results of american athletes in the 70s. They

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> > started using weights, contrary to popular opinion that weights make one

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> > 'muscle-bound' (which is true but generally only in the absence of

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>a

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> > commensurate stretching routine). The problem is that they used

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> > bodybuilding protocols, because they were seen as the experts on gym

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> > training, when in fact most bodybuilders aren't that au fait with how

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>the

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> > body adapts to exercise at all, in particular not in terms of athletic

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> > performance. Bodybuilding training protocols are geared towards maximum

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> > muscular hypertrophy (size), as opposed to athletic performance.

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> > Bodybuilding protocols in general are:

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> >

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> > more isolation vs compound movements - proper athletic conditioning

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> > includes both, with more of an emphasis on compound explosive movements,

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> > however isolation exercises always have their place, especially in

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> > correcting imbalances, strengthening weak links (forearms, calves for

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> > example) and rehab / prehab. One of the easiest ways to increase a big

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> > lift is to use islation movements to shore up a weak link that is holding

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> > the movement back...

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> >

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> > slower movements - slow contractions train the muscle to contract slowly,

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> > which is not what you want in most sports. Athletes should generally train

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> > with fast contractions, and relatively slower eccentric (lowering)...I can

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> > explain why the slow eccentric is important if you want, it's a bit

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> > involved. Generally though a range of tempos should be used...

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> >

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> > volume over intensity - more work at a lower work rate. The morern

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> > understanding is that intensity is more important than volume, although a

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> > certain amount of volume is required to build work capacity / endurance.

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> > Horses for courses...

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> >

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> > Lighter weights - the slow movements and long workouts dictate that

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> > lighter weights (relative to what the individual is capable of of course)

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> > are used...

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> >

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> > In fact, the lifts, distances, times, etc in nearly every single sport

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> > have been increased dramatically with the adoption of proper athletic

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> > resistance training. Your friend is probably right if he was pointing and

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> > laughing at bodybuilders...except it probably wasn't their goal to be

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>able

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> > to perform athletically, getting bigger muscles was their goal. Whether

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> > that's laudable in itself is a matter of opinion I suppose, I have my

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>own

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> > but won't share :)

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> >

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> > At the end of the day, increased muscle size increases the potential (note

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> > I said potential) for increased strength, and increased strength increases

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> > the potential for increased size. Training that incorporates both methods

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> > is optimal for many sports, with an emphasis on whatever particular

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> > physical traits are important to that sport, such as strength, speed,

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> > endurance, or flexibility.

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> >

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> >>    Been thinking of restarting my old routine. Between working out

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> >> and hiking (locally in Griffith Park) twice a week physically it was

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>the

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> >> best time of my life.

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> >>    I used to do a pyramid each of squats, back extensions (flexing

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> >> upper back also), pullups, pushups (wide-grip,shoulder-width, and

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> >> narrow-) dips, and military press, in about that order .I would throw

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>in

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> >> dive-bomber pushups and Pilates if i start it up again.

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> >>    I'd do abs after warming up, I never used any weights, just a

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> > pullup

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> >> bar at home and a pair of heavy leather boots for the military press

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> >> and it was a whole lot more fun and effective than doing weights and

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> >> going to a gym and running into those 'roided lab-experiments

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>seducing

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> >> themselves in all the mirrors.

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> >>   Very early on I worked  at a YMCA and i asked a former Navy SEAL

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> >> what he thought about all the size queens on the free weight floors

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>and

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> >> he just honestly laughed, said there was absolutely no advantage in it

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> >> whatsoever, period.

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> >>

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> >>

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> >>

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> >>

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> >> ... ... ... ... ... ...

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> >> (looking at the current state of things)

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> >>

>

> >> 'Save

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> >

>

>me..

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> >>  save me from Tomorrow..

>

> >

>

> >>  I don't want to sail in this Ship Of Fools...!'

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> >>

>

> >> --- On Wed, 7/16/08, Brendan <bq at soundgardener.co.nz> wrote:

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> >>

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> >> From: Brendan <bq at soundgardener.co.nz>

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> >> Subject: Re: [kj] Thread attempt one: ex's back

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> >> To: "A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)"

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> >> <gathering at misera.net>

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> >> Date: Wednesday, July 16, 2008, 6:38 PM

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> >>

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> >> A lot of ppl are after tha 'best' ab exercise...I do a range

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>of

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> > 10-15 or

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> >> so different exercises (most done on the floor with bodyweight or

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> >> perhaps

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> >> a medicine ball for external resistance) over the course of a 3-month

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>or

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> >> so program, also modifying the volume, intensity, prioritisation, and

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> >> tempo, along a continuum going from light, isolated, slow movements at

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> >> the

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> >> beginning, to harder, quicker, more compound movements towards the end

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> >> of

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> >> the program. A single exercise and single set / rep scheme is

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> >> sub-optimal,

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> >> and will in fact lead to muslce imbalances over time.

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> >>

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> >> The exercise you mention is an absolute killer, but it's a

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>compromise.

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> > It

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> >> works the upper abs and hip flexors simultaneously, the nervous system

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> >> is

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> >> also taxed initially because it has to learn a relatively complex

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> >> movement

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> >> involving balancing the body while performing two different joint

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> >> flexions

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> >> patterns...you're flexing the trunk and also flexing at the hip.

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>But

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> >> because you're doing two joint movements simultaneously, there are

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> > some

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> >> advantages and some disadvantages. Mixed training = mixed results, as

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> >> they

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> >> say. There is very little rotation, side flexion, and no real postural

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> >> recruitment. No exercise provides all that. Yoga and Pilates do

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>however,

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> >> as performed undre a good teacher.

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> >>

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> >> I just wrote a big spiel on ab training and back pain, lost it when I

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> >> went

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> >> to put on some music on this PC, will re-do it sometime if anyone is

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> >> interested. Basically though, go to Pilates or Yoga because they are

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> >> great, I've done both and both have helped with back pain and more

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>:)

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> > But

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> >> ab training is probably at most 25% of lower back injury prevention /

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> >> rehab...you also need to consider stretching, massage, posture,

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> >> nutrition

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> >> / hydration, assymetrical activities, mindset / stress, etc...

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> >>

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> >>>   What are those situps called where you do a crunch while

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>pulling

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> > your

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> >>> knees up

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> >>> to your stomach? Supposed to be the best thing ever...

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> >>>

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> >>>

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> >>> ... ... ... ... ... ...

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> >>> (looking at the current state of things)

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> >>>

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> >>> 'Save

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> >>

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> >

>

>me..

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> >>>  save me from Tomorrow..

>

> >>

>

> >>>  I don't want to sail in this Ship Of Fools...!'

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> >>>

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> >>> --- On Wed, 7/16/08, folk devil <folkdevil_23 at hotmail.com>

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> > wrote:

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> >>>

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> >>> From: folk devil <folkdevil_23 at hotmail.com>

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> >>> Subject: Re: [kj] Thread attempt one: ex's back

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> >>> To: "A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)"

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> >>> <gathering at misera.net>

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> >>> Date: Wednesday, July 16, 2008, 8:14 AM

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> >>> strengthen your abs first, otherwise your back is always going to

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>give

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> >>> you

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> >>> grief..

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> >>> Date: Wed, 16 Jul 2008 01:56:50 -0400

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> >>> From: killingjoke at theimmortalfool.com

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> >>> To: gathering at misera.net

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> >>> Subject: Re: [kj] Thread attempt one: Poll

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> >>> Had back issues for a long long time. I did cut down on my biking

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> > since

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> >>> I

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> >>> started handball.

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> >>> Only did 20 miles today earlier (Had time off in the afternoon).

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>Then

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> >>> handball at night for 1 hour.

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