[kj] Sex Pistols singer faces race attack claims

[sade1]

   Hats off to you; especially for Special Ed. You deserve twice the respect 
and triple the pay!
   I used to T.A. at an elementary school right next door to Whidney High 
[of Kids From Whidney High fame] and if it's one thing i learned is that..they're 
just people, with things going on, that's it. I have a cousin who now teaches at Whidney.


... ... ... ... ... ... 

[looking at the current state of things]

'Save me...
  save me from Tomorrow..
   I don't want to sail in this Ship Of Fools...!'   

--- On Tue, 7/22/08, GREG SLAWSON <gregslawson at msn.com> wrote:

From: GREG SLAWSON <gregslawson at msn.com>
Subject: Re: [kj] Sex Pistols singer faces race attack claims
To: "A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)" <gathering at misera.net>
Date: Tuesday, July 22, 2008, 9:00 PM




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I pretty much agree w/ you on this Brendan. As a US high school special education teacher, I don't spend a lot of time giving paper-thin praise to my students--when they do get good grades, that's praise enough for them. (And I 'm pretty honest about telling them when they're doing well and when they're not). Also, about 10 years ago I worked teaching dyslexic adults how to read--they needed no praise at all; they were happier than a pig in shit every time their reading improved a bit!


> Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2008 15:28:30 +1200

> From: bq at soundgardener.co.nz

> To: gathering at misera.net

> Subject: Re: [kj] Sex Pistols singer faces race attack claims

> 

> People, even kids, know when they are being patronised. Was reading an

> article about a study that showed that kids who are regularly lauded for

> 'effort' and 'trying hard', all that shit, well basically it has a

> negative effect. Kids KNOW that performance and achievement is important,

> all that smiley glad-hands treatment, giving kids certificates for turning

> up to school twice in a row on time or not drooling over themselves

> today...it's crap, and we're gonna end up breeding a population of

> hapless, entitled cretins.

> 

> I suppose often it's got the right intentions behind it, but we all know

> the saying about the road to hell. Or was that an AC/DC song...?

> 

> As a bit of a slow learner and awkward kid at school, what I actually

> appreciated was some one-on-on with a patient teacher who took the time to

> go through what I was having difficulty with, in a way tailored to how I

> learned, away from the spotlight of other kids who were already good at

> it. My reward was the achievement, then the good press from the teacher or

> family or peers was genuine.

> 

> > Mr. Okereke is also gay; either stuff.co.nz and Lydon's thuggish

> > "associates" are unaware of this (I am not aware of Mr Okereke's uniform

> > of

> > choice being a glittery spandex catsuit and spaceman's helmet) or they had

> > to concede that his being black was merely a more apparent target.

> >

> > I have also met many people who have attempted to take advantage of what

> > their behaviour implies they regard as a stigma; I'm equal opportunities,

> > me

> > - I'll be offensive to anyone who's offensive, regardless of their

> > hangups.

> > Did a lot of work with mentally & physically handicapped a few years back

> > -

> > they actively encouraged me to call them spackas (incidentally, great use

> > of

> > "spacka" in "Control", I thought). I concluded they were generally tired

> > of

> > the opposite treatment - the patronising deference.

> >

> > Darren

> > Hungerford, UK

> >

> > NB My oldest friend, and recently my best man, is a Gaylord, so there's no

> > agenda here.

> >

> >

> > -----Original Message-----

> > From: gathering-bounces at misera.net [mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net]

> > On

> > Behalf Of ade

> > Sent: 22 July 2008 12:33

> > To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)

> > Subject: Re: [kj] Sex Pistols singer faces race attack claims

> > Importance: High

> >

> > Years ago, my asian/muslim mate (Moh) was recounting to me the time his

> > car

> > overheated & he was fucking about under the bonnet, trying to sort it out.

> > He reminisced about how he went to a nearby shop to get some help & was

> > embarrassed 'cos his hands were covered in oil & were black from it. It

> > was

> > just a conversation about car woes.

> >

> > At this point my black friend jumped in & started challenging seriously as

> > to "What's wrong with having black hands?"

> >

> > It occurred to me & Moh that the prick was nothing more than a race-card

> > playing wanker, of which there are MANY. You know, those people that my

> > lefty friends don't believe exist.

> >

> > Sounds a bit like this story too, though I admit my bias in favour of

> > Lydon.

> > Nevertheless, I can imagine his thicko mates behaving in typical grunt

> > fashion, but was that John? We shall see...

> >

> >

> > ade.

> >

> > PS. I LOVE DOUBLE-STANDARDS, OF COURSE THEY DON'T HARM SOCIETY & BREED

> > RESENTMENT - THAT'S FOR RACISTS. Whatever 'racist' means these days.

> > INJUSTICE FOR ALL!!!!!

> >

> >

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