[kj] Hossanas - democracy

[The Exorcist]

I agree with many of the points made here. Bands ought to be given 
the leeway by fans to
mix it all up. After all, music is just a form of expression. It's 
just that sometimes out ability
to express gets a bit fucked up. :)

At 09:58 PM 9/15/2008, Marcel wrote:

>Neither OTG, Democracy or Hosannas are favorites in my book. On the 

>the other hand I'll have to say that I really love the fact that KJ 

>have always tried totally different approaches sound- and 

>songwritingwise. To me America, Stay one jump ahead, Tiahuanaco and 

>the title track are interesting songs. I just hate the production. I 

>also like the Democracy attempt of trying to fit in acoustic 

>guitars. In my opinion there are very good songs here, too. 

>Obviously that attempt has to be called a failure - but the idea in 

>itself is quite interesting and I think there's quite a bunch of 

>hints on the album that it could have been great.

>Releasing an album such as Hosannas after the "perfect" new school 

>Gill production of KJ 2003 tells me that the band is not playing it 

>safe. And that's something I really appreciate, although I'm not a 

>fan of this one production-wise again. But songs like Invocation, 

>Walking with gods and Judas Goat do work in my opinion.

>I think KJ frequently made the wrong decisions concerning 

>production. F.e. I think the original Pandemonium mixes are among 

>the best they ever did whereas Youth's "then-new metal" album 

>production makes it sound dated today. Given the ceaseless 

>KJ-rereleases lately I'm optimistic we'll have the chance of buying 

>the complete original Pandemonium mixes someday. And I'm thrilled 

>beyond words to experience Pandemonium live in Belgium. Sorry for 

>the questionable english...

>

>Marcel - Koblenz, Germany

>

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>>    1. Re: Hossanas - democracy (Elana Mojica)

>>    2. Re: Current Fav K.J. song (Darren A. Peace)

>>    3. recent gig pics yet ? (ze king)

>>    4. Re: recent gig pics yet ? (folk devil)

>>    5. MD Crack Butt Blues (Change)

>>    6. Re: Current Fav K.J. song (Change)

>>    7. You don't have to listen to Hell if you don't like the way it

>>       sounds (Change)

>>    8. Re: MD Crack Butt Blues (folk devil)

>>    9.  OT: Pink Floyd's Rick Wright dies (Alex Smith)

>>   10. Re: Hossanas - democracy (Alex Smith)

>>   11. Re: Hossanas - democracy (folk devil)

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>>Message: 1

>>Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2008 08:58:48 -0700 (PDT)

>>From: Elana Mojica <elana_mojica at yahoo.com>

>>Subject: Re: [kj] Hossanas - democracy

>>To: "A list about all things Killing Joke \(the band!\)"

>>         <gathering at misera.net>

>>Message-ID: <225981.79577.qm at web57310.mail.re1.yahoo.com>

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>>Prozac People, Lanterns (which i played at Jester and Jeanie's 

>>funeral's) Absent Friends (also played) I love Medicine Wheel, and 

>>Another Bloody Election all great songs

>>

>>

>>

>>----- Original Message ----

>>From: folk devil <folkdevil_23 at hotmail.com>

>>To: gathering at misera.net

>>Sent: Monday, September 15, 2008 10:56:39 AM

>>Subject: Re: [kj] Hossanas - democracy

>>

>>  there are some good tracks on democracy :)

>>'intellect', for one.

>>

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>>Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2008 11:15:08 -0400

>>From: vassifer at earthlink.net

>>To: gathering at misera.net; gathering at misera.net

>>Subject: Re: [kj] Hossanas

>>

>>

>>  I bet it'll join the ranks of DEMOCRACY and OUTSIDE THE GATE in 

>> being an album whose songs are rarely -- if ever -- played live.

>>Alex in NYC

>>

>>

>>

>>

>>-----Original Message-----

>>From: mike

>>Sent: Sep 15, 2008 11:01 AM

>>To: gathering at misera.net

>>Subject: Re: [kj] Hossanas

>>

>>  I'd love to hear the bands thoughts on the album now.

>>Production..recording does suck tremendously.

>>I still like half the songs though.

>>

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>>Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2008 17:16:52 +0100

>>From: "Darren A. Peace" <dpeace at bigfoot.com>

>>Subject: Re: [kj] Current Fav K.J. song

>>To: "'Alex Smith'" <vassifer at earthlink.net>,    "'A list about all things

>>         Killing Joke \(the band!\)'"    <gathering at misera.net>

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>>Heh! Wasn't trying to make a pariah out of you; I accept you're not alone in

>>your view, although I don't remember reading that anyone else prefers OTG to

>>Hosannas.

>>

>>Actually, as a result of your post, I've been mowing the lawn with Hosannas

>>at My Bloody Valentine volumes on my iPod, and it's fucking great! Works

>>best at earsplitting volume, imo, and for those who object to the song

>>lengths, there's always that 5-track promo of edited versions. The bassines,

>>which are too buried at lower volumes, are great too, and I like Ben's

>>drumming. I think, though, that the full track lengths help the drone aspect

>>of the album - quite why the infrequent second chord in Invocation is so

>>exciting, I don't know.

>>

>>My least favourite album proper is Democracy. Geordie and acoustic guitars?

>>That's fundamentally wrong. Apart from Aeon (which is superb), I don't

>>really like any track on the album, and Prozac People is Jaz's worst lyric.

>>And he's written some stinkers. Can't listen to "Goodbye To The Village"

>>because of that awful line about rabbit hutches (although otherwise it's a

>>good song; maybe it's just the way he sings those two words).

>>

>>I *like* Outside The Gate in large part. Crappy syn-drums and all. The title

>>track is genuinely exciting to me, even the coda (I'll pretend Geordie's not

>>playing an acoustic guitar there, so as not to destroy my thesis).

>>

>>And the more I listen to it, the more I rate the new Metallica. Expunge the

>>aural diarrhoea that is St Anger and give this one a try. Really. I think

>>you'll be surprised.

>>

>>Judas Goat.

>>

>>Darren

>>Hungerford, UK

>>

>>-----Original Message-----

>>From: gathering-bounces at misera.net [mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net] On

>>Behalf Of Alex Smith

>>Sent: 15 September 2008 16:17

>>To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!); 'A list about all

>>things Killing Joke (the band!)'

>>Subject: Re: [kj] Current Fav K.J. song

>>

>>

>>"While I have a lot of time or Alex and his opinions"

>>

>>Ummm...it's not just *MY* opinion. Leigh (among others) agrees with me.

>>

>>Alex in NYC

>>

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>>Message: 3

>>Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2008 16:32:51 +0000

>>From: ze king <zeking_33 at hotmail.com>

>>Subject: [kj] recent gig pics yet ?

>>To: "A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)"

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>>Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2008 09:37:40 -0700

>>From: folk devil <folkdevil_23 at hotmail.com>

>>Subject: Re: [kj] recent gig pics yet ?

>>To: "A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)"

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>>need to get a slimline for the LA gig...'NO CAMERAS'...

>>will put md in buttcrack, too...."

>>

>>

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>>From: zeking_33 at hotmail.comTo: gathering at misera.netDate: Mon, 15 

>>Sep 2008 16:32:51 +0000Subject: [kj] recent gig pics yet ?

>>

>>

>>anyone ?ze king.

>>

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>>Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2008 16:43:21 +0000 (GMT)

>>From: Change <crackedmachine at yahoo.co.uk>

>>Subject: [kj] MD Crack Butt Blues

>>To: "A list about all things Killing Joke \(the band!\)"

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>>Ah so so so

>>Was this MD in crack wot iPat was on about when he was making up 

>>shit up the ass?

>>

>>Me, I prefer the wigglin' tongue of an Oriental lady, butt each to his own!

>>

>>--- On Mon, 15/9/08, folk devil <folkdevil_23 at hotmail.com> wrote:

>>

>> > From: folk devil <folkdevil_23 at hotmail.com>

>> > Subject: Re: [kj] recent gig pics yet ?

>> > To: "A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)" 

>> <gathering at misera.net>

>> > Date: Monday, 15 September, 2008, 5:37 PM

>> > need to get a slimline for the LA gig...'NO

>> > CAMERAS'...

>> > will put md in buttcrack, too...."

>> >

>> >

>> >

>> > From: zeking_33 at hotmail.comTo: gathering at misera.netDate:

>> > Mon, 15 Sep 2008 16:32:51 +0000Subject: [kj] recent gig pics

>> > yet ?

>> >

>> >

>> > anyone ?ze king.

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>>Message: 6

>>Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2008 16:47:53 +0000 (GMT)

>>From: Change <crackedmachine at yahoo.co.uk>

>>Subject: Re: [kj] Current Fav K.J. song

>>To: "A list about all things Killing Joke \(the band!\)"

>>         <gathering at misera.net>

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>> >

>> > Ummm...it's not just *MY* opinion. Leigh (among others)

>> > agrees with me.

>> >

>> > Alex in NYC

>> >

>> >

>>Aye Aye

>>but he likes OASIS...

>>

>>

>>Jesus Christ!!!

>>

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>>Message: 7

>>Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2008 16:52:23 +0000 (GMT)

>>From: Change <crackedmachine at yahoo.co.uk>

>>Subject: [kj] You don't have to listen to Hell if you don't like the

>>         way it  sounds

>>To: "A list about all things Killing Joke \(the band!\)"

>>         <gathering at misera.net>

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>> > From: jon chapman <jonniespatula at hotmail.co.uk>

>> > Subject: Re: [kj] Current Fav K.J. song

>> > To: "A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)" 

>> <gathering at misera.net>

>> > Date: Monday, 15 September, 2008, 4:14 PM

>> > totally! that and gratitude are simply brilliant.

>> >

>>

>>I love Majestic Gods Go Psycho

>>

>>but it is all good even if Lightbringer goes way OTT

>>

>> > i like the production.

>> >

>>

>>Sounds good to me.

>>I bet it sounds best on vinyl though, and I only have CD.

>>

>> >

>> > > > Two words : Judas Goat.> > While I have a

>> > lot of time or Alex and his opinions, this one is just

>> > wrong.> Laziness in failure to edit the songs is one

>> > thing, and it's not their best> sounding album by any

>> > stretch of the imagination, but Geordie's work is>

>> > incandescent on Hosannas.> > Worst album is the

>> > Cortauld Talks, from its spermy cover to its bollocks>

>> > contents. Wonder how many times it's sold on iTunes?

>> > I'd like to see the> face of someone who's just

>> > endured the 5 day download and has fired up their> first

>> > listen.> > And did I mention Judas Goat?> >

>> > Darren> Hungerford, UK > > > -----Original

>> > Message-----> From: gathering-bounces at misera.net

>> > [mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net] On> Behalf Of

>> > Alexander Smith> Sent: 15 September 2008 12:24> To: A

>> > list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)> Subject:

>> > Re: [kj] Current Fav K.J. song> > > With all due

>> > respect to Oliver, I think HOSANNAS is the worst thing KJ

>> > > have ever done (yes, worse than OUTSIDE THE GATE).>

>> > > Alex in NYC> >

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>>Message: 8

>>Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2008 09:53:03 -0700

>>From: folk devil <folkdevil_23 at hotmail.com>

>>Subject: Re: [kj] MD Crack Butt Blues

>>To: <gathering at misera.net>

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>>i think the rimming might interfere with the recording...> Date: 

>>Mon, 15 Sep 2008 16:43:21 +0000> From: crackedmachine at yahoo.co.uk> 

>>To: gathering at misera.net> Subject: [kj] MD Crack Butt Blues> > Ah 

>>so so so> Was this MD in crack wot iPat was on about when he was 

>>making up shit up the ass?> > Me, I prefer the wigglin' tongue of 

>>an Oriental lady, butt each to his own!> > --- On Mon, 15/9/08, 

>>folk devil <folkdevil_23 at hotmail.com> wrote:> > > From: folk devil 

>><folkdevil_23 at hotmail.com>> > Subject: Re: [kj] recent gig pics yet 

>>?> > To: "A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)" 

>><gathering at misera.net>> > Date: Monday, 15 September, 2008, 5:37 

>>PM> > need to get a slimline for the LA gig...'NO> > CAMERAS'...> > 

>>will put md in buttcrack, too...."> > > > > > > > From: 

>>zeking_33 at hotmail.comTo: gathering at misera.netDate:> > Mon, 15 Sep 

>>2008 16:32:51 +0000Subject: [kj] recent gig pics> > yet 

>>?> > > > > > anyone ?ze king.> > > > > > > > Vanaf nu heb je je 

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>>Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2008 13:05:30 -0400 (GMT-04:00)

>>From: Alex Smith <vassifer at earthlink.net>

>>Subject: [kj]  OT: Pink Floyd's Rick Wright dies

>>To: crackedmachine at yahoo.co.uk,         "A list about all things Killing Joke

>>         (the band!)" <gathering at misera.net>,    "A list about all 

>> things Killing

>>         Joke (the band!)" <gathering at misera.net>

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>>Very sad.

>>

>>

>>http://entertainment.msn.com/news/article.aspx?news=330735

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>>Alex in NYC

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>>Message: 10

>>Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2008 13:06:16 -0400 (GMT-04:00)

>>From: Alex Smith <vassifer at earthlink.net>

>>Subject: Re: [kj] Hossanas - democracy

>>To: "A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)"

>>         <gathering at misera.net>,         gathering at misera.net

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>>Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2008 10:09:41 -0700

>>From: folk devil <folkdevil_23 at hotmail.com>

>>Subject: Re: [kj] Hossanas - democracy

>>To: <gathering at misera.net>

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>>hmmm...never :[

>>

>>Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2008 13:06:16 -0400From: 

>>vassifer at earthlink.netTo: gathering at misera.net; 

>>gathering at misera.netSubject: Re: [kj] Hossanas - democracy

>>

>>

>>

>>That wasn't my point. There are some GREAT songs on DEMOCRACY 

>>("Aeon" chiefly among them), but when was the last time you heard 

>>any of them performed live?

>>

>>Alex in NYC

>>-----Original Message----- From: folk devil Sent: Sep 15, 2008 

>>11:56 AM To: gathering at misera.net Subject: Re: [kj] Hossanas - democracy

>>

>>there are some good tracks on democracy :)'intellect', for one.

>>

>>Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2008 11:15:08 -0400From: 

>>vassifer at earthlink.netTo: gathering at misera.net; 

>>gathering at misera.netSubject: Re: [kj] Hossanas

>>

>>I bet it'll join the ranks of DEMOCRACY and OUTSIDE THE GATE in 

>>being an album whose songs are rarely -- if ever -- played live.Alex in NYC

>>-----Original Message----- From: mike Sent: Sep 15, 2008 11:01 AM 

>>To: gathering at misera.net Subject: Re: [kj] Hossanas

>>

>>I'd love to hear the bands thoughts on the album 

>>now.Production..recording does suck tremendously.I still like half 

>>the songs though.

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