[kj] Hossanas - democracy

[sade1]

> Bands ought to be given the leeway by fans to mix it all up. 

 
Does this mean we'll get to see Killing Joke work with Dr. Dre' on 
something to rival Justin Timberlake and "Sexy Back?" :click:


... ... ... ... ... ... 

[looking at the current state of things]

'Save me...
  save me from Tomorrow..
   I don't want to sail in this Ship Of Fools...!'   

--- On Mon, 9/15/08, The Exorcist <killingjoke at theimmortalfool.com> wrote:

From: The Exorcist <killingjoke at theimmortalfool.com>
Subject: Re: [kj] Hossanas - democracy
To: "A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)" <gathering at misera.net>
Date: Monday, September 15, 2008, 9:01 PM


I agree with many of the points made here. Bands ought to be given the leeway by fans to
mix it all up. After all, music is just a form of expression. It's just that sometimes out ability
to express gets a bit fucked up. :)

At 09:58 PM 9/15/2008, Marcel wrote:

Neither OTG, Democracy or Hosannas are favorites in my book. On the the other hand I'll have to say that I really love the fact that KJ have always tried totally different approaches sound- and songwritingwise. To me America, Stay one jump ahead, Tiahuanaco and the title track are interesting songs. I just hate the production. I also like the Democracy attempt of trying to fit in acoustic guitars. In my opinion there are very good songs here, too. Obviously that attempt has to be called a failure - but the idea in itself is quite interesting and I think there's quite a bunch of hints on the album that it could have been great.
Releasing an album such as Hosannas after the "perfect" new school Gill production of KJ 2003 tells me that the band is not playing it safe. And that's something I really appreciate, although I'm not a fan of this one production-wise again. But songs like Invocation, Walking with gods and Judas Goat do work in my opinion.
I think KJ frequently made the wrong decisions concerning production. F.e. I think the original Pandemonium mixes are among the best they ever did whereas Youth's "then-new metal" album production makes it sound dated today. Given the ceaseless KJ-rereleases lately I'm optimistic we'll have the chance of buying the complete original Pandemonium mixes someday. And I'm thrilled beyond words to experience Pandemonium live in Belgium. Sorry for the questionable english...

Marcel - Koblenz, Germany

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Today's Topics:

   1. Re: Hossanas - democracy (Elana Mojica)
   2. Re: Current Fav K.J. song (Darren A. Peace)
   3. recent gig pics yet ? (ze king)
   4. Re: recent gig pics yet ? (folk devil)
   5. MD Crack Butt Blues (Change)
   6. Re: Current Fav K.J. song (Change)
   7. You don't have to listen to Hell if you don't like the way it
      sounds (Change)
   8. Re: MD Crack Butt Blues (folk devil)
   9.  OT: Pink Floyd's Rick Wright dies (Alex Smith)
  10. Re: Hossanas - democracy (Alex Smith)
  11. Re: Hossanas - democracy (folk devil)


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Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2008 08:58:48 -0700 (PDT)
From: Elana Mojica <elana_mojica at yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [kj] Hossanas - democracy
To: "A list about all things Killing Joke \(the band!\)"
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Prozac People, Lanterns (which i played at Jester and Jeanie's funeral's) Absent Friends (also played) I love Medicine Wheel, and Another Bloody Election all great songs



----- Original Message ----
From: folk devil <folkdevil_23 at hotmail.com>
To: gathering at misera.net
Sent: Monday, September 15, 2008 10:56:39 AM
Subject: Re: [kj] Hossanas - democracy

 there are some good tracks on democracy :)
'intellect', for one.




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Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2008 11:15:08 -0400
From: vassifer at earthlink.net
To: gathering at misera.net; gathering at misera.net
Subject: Re: [kj] Hossanas


 I bet it'll join the ranks of DEMOCRACY and OUTSIDE THE GATE in being an album whose songs are rarely -- if ever -- played live.
Alex in NYC




-----Original Message-----
From: mike
Sent: Sep 15, 2008 11:01 AM
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Subject: Re: [kj] Hossanas

 I'd love to hear the bands thoughts on the album now.
Production..recording does suck tremendously.
I still like half the songs though.


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Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2008 17:16:52 +0100
From: "Darren A. Peace" <dpeace at bigfoot.com>
Subject: Re: [kj] Current Fav K.J. song
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Heh! Wasn't trying to make a pariah out of you; I accept you're not alone in
your view, although I don't remember reading that anyone else prefers OTG to
Hosannas.

Actually, as a result of your post, I've been mowing the lawn with Hosannas
at My Bloody Valentine volumes on my iPod, and it's fucking great! Works
best at earsplitting volume, imo, and for those who object to the song
lengths, there's always that 5-track promo of edited versions. The bassines,
which are too buried at lower volumes, are great too, and I like Ben's
drumming. I think, though, that the full track lengths help the drone aspect
of the album - quite why the infrequent second chord in Invocation is so
exciting, I don't know.

My least favourite album proper is Democracy. Geordie and acoustic guitars?
That's fundamentally wrong. Apart from Aeon (which is superb), I don't
really like any track on the album, and Prozac People is Jaz's worst lyric.
And he's written some stinkers. Can't listen to "Goodbye To The Village"
because of that awful line about rabbit hutches (although otherwise it's a
good song; maybe it's just the way he sings those two words).

I *like* Outside The Gate in large part. Crappy syn-drums and all. The title
track is genuinely exciting to me, even the coda (I'll pretend Geordie's not
playing an acoustic guitar there, so as not to destroy my thesis).

And the more I listen to it, the more I rate the new Metallica. Expunge the
aural diarrhoea that is St Anger and give this one a try. Really. I think
you'll be surprised.

Judas Goat.

Darren
Hungerford, UK

-----Original Message-----
From: gathering-bounces at misera.net [ mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net] On
Behalf Of Alex Smith
Sent: 15 September 2008 16:17
To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!); 'A list about all
things Killing Joke (the band!)'
Subject: Re: [kj] Current Fav K.J. song


"While I have a lot of time or Alex and his opinions"

Ummm...it's not just *MY* opinion. Leigh (among others) agrees with me.

Alex in NYC




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Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2008 16:32:51 +0000
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Subject: [kj] recent gig pics yet ?
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Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2008 09:37:40 -0700
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need to get a slimline for the LA gig...'NO CAMERAS'...
will put md in buttcrack, too...."



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anyone ?ze king.



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Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2008 16:43:21 +0000 (GMT)
From: Change <crackedmachine at yahoo.co.uk>
Subject: [kj] MD Crack Butt Blues
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Ah so so so
Was this MD in crack wot iPat was on about when he was making up shit up the ass?

Me, I prefer the wigglin' tongue of an Oriental lady, butt each to his own!

--- On Mon, 15/9/08, folk devil <folkdevil_23 at hotmail.com> wrote:


> From: folk devil <folkdevil_23 at hotmail.com>

> Subject: Re: [kj] recent gig pics yet ?

> To: "A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)" <gathering at misera.net>

> Date: Monday, 15 September, 2008, 5:37 PM

> need to get a slimline for the LA gig...'NO

> CAMERAS'...

> will put md in buttcrack, too...."

>

>

>

> From: zeking_33 at hotmail.comTo: gathering at misera.netDate:

> Mon, 15 Sep 2008 16:32:51 +0000Subject: [kj] recent gig pics

> yet ?

>

>

> anyone ?ze king.

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Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2008 16:47:53 +0000 (GMT)
From: Change <crackedmachine at yahoo.co.uk>
Subject: Re: [kj] Current Fav K.J. song
To: "A list about all things Killing Joke \(the band!\)"
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>

> Ummm...it's not just *MY* opinion. Leigh (among others)

> agrees with me.

>

> Alex in NYC

>

>

Aye Aye
but he likes OASIS...


Jesus Christ!!!





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Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2008 16:52:23 +0000 (GMT)
From: Change <crackedmachine at yahoo.co.uk>
Subject: [kj] You don't have to listen to Hell if you don't like the
        way it  sounds
To: "A list about all things Killing Joke \(the band!\)"
        <gathering at misera.net>
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> From: jon chapman <jonniespatula at hotmail.co.uk>

> Subject: Re: [kj] Current Fav K.J. song

> To: "A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)" <gathering at misera.net>

> Date: Monday, 15 September, 2008, 4:14 PM

> totally! that and gratitude are simply brilliant.

>


I love Majestic Gods Go Psycho

but it is all good even if Lightbringer goes way OTT


> i like the production.

>


Sounds good to me.
I bet it sounds best on vinyl though, and I only have CD.


>

> > > Two words : Judas Goat.> > While I have a

> lot of time or Alex and his opinions, this one is just

> wrong.> Laziness in failure to edit the songs is one

> thing, and it's not their best> sounding album by any

> stretch of the imagination, but Geordie's work is>

> incandescent on Hosannas.> > Worst album is the

> Cortauld Talks, from its spermy cover to its bollocks>

> contents. Wonder how many times it's sold on iTunes?

> I'd like to see the> face of someone who's just

> endured the 5 day download and has fired up their> first

> listen.> > And did I mention Judas Goat?> >

> Darren> Hungerford, UK > > > -----Original

> Message-----> From: gathering-bounces at misera.net

> [ mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net] On> Behalf Of

> Alexander Smith> Sent: 15 September 2008 12:24> To: A

> list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)> Subject:

> Re: [kj] Current Fav K.J. song> > > With all due

> respect to Oliver, I think HOSANNAS is the worst thing KJ

> > have ever done (yes, worse than OUTSIDE THE GATE).>

> > Alex in NYC> >

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Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2008 09:53:03 -0700
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i think the rimming might interfere with the recording...> Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2008 16:43:21 +0000> From: crackedmachine at yahoo.co.uk> To: gathering at misera.net> Subject: [kj] MD Crack Butt Blues> > Ah so so so> Was this MD in crack wot iPat was on about when he was making up shit up the ass?> > Me, I prefer the wigglin' tongue of an Oriental lady, butt each to his own!> > --- On Mon, 15/9/08, folk devil <folkdevil_23 at hotmail.com> wrote:> > > From: folk devil <folkdevil_23 at hotmail.com>> > Subject: Re: [kj] recent gig pics yet ?> > To: "A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)" <gathering at misera.net>> > Date: Monday, 15 September, 2008, 5:37 PM> > need to get a slimline for the LA gig...'NO> > CAMERAS'...> > will put md in buttcrack, too...."> > > > > > > > From: zeking_33 at hotmail.comTo: gathering at misera.netDate:> > Mon, 15 Sep 2008 16:32:51 +0000Subject: [kj] recent gig pics> > yet ?> > > > > > anyone ?ze king.> > > > > > > > Vanaf nu heb je je
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Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2008 13:05:30 -0400 (GMT-04:00)
From: Alex Smith <vassifer at earthlink.net>
Subject: [kj]  OT: Pink Floyd's Rick Wright dies
To: crackedmachine at yahoo.co.uk,         "A list about all things Killing Joke
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Very sad.


http://entertainment.msn.com/news/article.aspx?news=330735

Alex in NYC



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From: Alex Smith <vassifer at earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: [kj] Hossanas - democracy
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Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2008 10:09:41 -0700
From: folk devil <folkdevil_23 at hotmail.com>
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hmmm...never :[

Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2008 13:06:16 -0400From: vassifer at earthlink.netTo: gathering at misera.net; gathering at misera.netSubject: Re: [kj] Hossanas - democracy



That wasn't my point. There are some GREAT songs on DEMOCRACY ("Aeon" chiefly among them), but when was the last time you heard any of them performed live?

Alex in NYC
-----Original Message----- From: folk devil Sent: Sep 15, 2008 11:56 AM To: gathering at misera.net Subject: Re: [kj] Hossanas - democracy

there are some good tracks on democracy :)'intellect', for one.

Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2008 11:15:08 -0400From: vassifer at earthlink.netTo: gathering at misera.net; gathering at misera.netSubject: Re: [kj] Hossanas

I bet it'll join the ranks of DEMOCRACY and OUTSIDE THE GATE in being an album whose songs are rarely -- if ever -- played live.Alex in NYC
-----Original Message----- From: mike Sent: Sep 15, 2008 11:01 AM To: gathering at misera.net Subject: Re: [kj] Hossanas

I'd love to hear the bands thoughts on the album now.Production..recording does suck tremendously.I still like half the songs though.

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