[kj] FW: Michael Jackson dead

[Stephen Lawrence]

do i have to spell it out to you ?

YOU WERE CALLING ME CHRIS 

other gatherers pointed this out 

you ignored it 

i am not going to explain  myself as i am a bullshitter in your eyes 

and frankly i can't be bothered 

i have better things to do 

i notice you like to give shit but can't take it 

ever heard the glass houses proverb ?

i don't recall many gatherers [ if any ] defending your attack on me 

but then again you are pretty blinkered 
don't wanna burst your bubble but soundgarden are NOT the only good band on the planet  

> Date: Wed, 1 Jul 2009 23:47:29 +1200

> From: bq at soundgardener.co.nz

> To: gathering at misera.net

> Subject: Re: [kj] FW: Michael Jackson dead

> 

> err STILL not reading what you have written

> 

> Indeed. But you still comment on it, how fair.

> 

> other gatherers pointed it out to you

> 

> Other gatherers ventured their opinion on both sides, actually.

> 

> > but i also noticed how you ignored other gatherers points made regarding

> > jury service

> 

> What points did I ignore, I thought I answered in full. But how would you

> know when you're not reading my posts?

> 

> > i can't be bothered to go into the details of the minor offence case

> >

> > i was not the only one voting against

> 

> You still haven't said what kind of case it was and whether you decided

> based on evidence or as soon as you had doubt, which is what you

> originally said, and haven't corrected, so I assume is the case. That was

> my whole point. You can't sniff doubt on one side or the other and make up

> your mind then and there without hearing the rest of the evidence.

> 

> > a juror reminds me of you when stating '' i wanna vote guilty as i haven't

> > been on a case where that was unanimous yet ''

> 

> Don't understand you or the comment, and putting words in someone else's

> mouth isn't a legitimite way to argue a point.

> 

> > never mind the fact you are dealing with a person's life

> 

> When are you not?

> 

> > police never lie do they ?

> 

> You obviously haven't read my posts about the police.

> 

> >

> >

> >

> > From: bq at soundgardener.co.nz

> > To: gathering at misera.net

> > Date: Wed, 1 Jul 2009 13:55:02 +1000

> > Subject: Re: [kj] FW: Michael Jackson dead

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Check who you are dissing or get some new glasses...I'm gonna use that.

> >

> > Yes STFU means what you think it does. And I'm not apologising to Pete

> > West, esp not after complimenting his SOH and comparing his english

> > favourably to yours...I know that's damning with faint praise or whatever,

> > but hey..

> >

> > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7-NOZU2iPA8

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > From: gathering-bounces at misera.net [mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net]

> > On Behalf Of Stephen Lawrence

> > Sent: Wednesday, 1 July 2009 9:27 AM

> > To: gathering at misera.net

> > Subject: Re: [kj] FW: Michael Jackson dead

> >

> >

> > all i'm gonna say is check who you are dissing

> > or get some new glasses

> > testing the statement you made

> > SHUT THE FUCK UP !!!!!!!

> > sorry ??? like fuck you are

> > i suggest you read what you last wrote and apologise to the person

> > mentioned

> >

> >> Date: Wed, 1 Jul 2009 00:24:45 +1200

> >> From: bq at soundgardener.co.nz

> >> To: gathering at misera.net

> >> Subject: Re: [kj] FW: Michael Jackson dead

> >>

> >> Christ you waffle a load of shit Chris.

> >>

> >> Your first lines belie your 'nice' nature. I can take it on the chin

> >> when

> >> someone tells me to STFU or whatever, but pretending that you're holier

> >> than thou, when you demonstrate in your email what a hypocrite you

> >> are...sorry.

> >>

> >> "never on this forum have i TOLD anyone how to live"

> >>

> >> Actually you did and got shouted down and told to put a sock in it with

> >> the religious crap. Sigh...go on and deny it now of course.

> >>

> >> "i do NOT consider myself hoilier than thou"

> >>

> >> Yes, you do.

> >>

> >> "i await the usual one word response"

> >>

> >> Two emails out of hundreds doesn't constitute usual. touch of sarcasm?

> >> That's not positive now is it?

> >>

> >> "when obviously the initial hostility was due to the belief i was pete

> >> west"

> >>

> >> Obviously how? What are you on about now? The only confusion between you

> >> and Pete West is in the hopeless english, you're actually worse than he

> >> is

> >> as a matter of fact. Well done. Pete West is quite witty when he gets

> >> going too, I don't bite when he pops up anymore.

> >>

> >> >

> >> > awww poor brendan

> >> >

> >> > hurt your feelings did i ?

> >> >

> >> > get over it

> >> >

> >> > you come across as an opinionated bully

> >> >

> >> > unless it fits in with your world view

> >> >

> >> > it must me torn down and stomped on

> >> >

> >> > never on this forum have i TOLD anyone how to live

> >> >

> >> > i HAVE defended what the bible teaches ,after seeing such rubbish

> >> written

> >> > about it [ or parts taken out of context ]

> >> >

> >> > i do NOT consider myself hoilier than thou as i KNOW that unless i

> >> > dramatically change my lifestyle i will NOT see the kingdom onearth

> >> >

> >> > i like life as it is even with all the pain suffering and death around

> >> me

> >> > and try to alleviate it in some small way

> >> >

> >> > NO i am not seeking your approval

> >> >

> >> > it would be interesting to see if you walk it like you talk it

> >> >

> >> > unlike others on the internet i do not adopt some sort of persona in

> >> order

> >> > to feel '' big behind the keyboard ''

> >> >

> >> > some gatherers have met me

> >> >

> >> > i leave them to give a hopefully honest appraiseal of me

> >> >

> >> > if they don't i shan't castigate them for it

> >> >

> >> > unlike others i admit to my faults

> >> >

> >> > i know i expect too much of others [ even of myself sometimes ]

> >> >

> >> > i DO endeavour to make my word my bond

> >> >

> >> > i enjoy violent video games but would never perpetrate it in real life

> >> >

> >> > i enjoy many types of music but do not force it down others throats

> >> >

> >> > i do not see artists as someone to worship and do NOT prescribe to the

> >> > cult of personality

> >> >

> >> > they are people just like me with good and bad points

> >> >

> >> > i stand by my statement regarding the scenarios i have NOT been in

> >> >

> >> > i have obviously lead a different life to you

> >> >

> >> > possibly charmed n some instances but it has had it's share of

> >> heartbreaks

> >> >

> >> > i do NOT seek sympathy from anyone

> >> >

> >> > i WILL seek guidance from friends and am not too proud to ask if i'm

> >> not

> >> > sure

> >> >

> >> > i await the usual one word response

> >> >

> >> > oh and intially i defended my view of killing joke

> >> >

> >> > i have learnt to respond only when needed or to acknowledge a kindness

> >> >

> >> > i do not bear grudges and am surprised that you would drag up the past

> >> > when obviously the initial hostility was due to the belief i was pete

> >> west

> >> >

> >> > oh well whatever floats your boat

> >> >

> >> >

> >> >

> >> > From: bq at soundgardener.co.nz

> >> > To: gathering at misera.net

> >> > Date: Tue, 30 Jun 2009 14:41:31 +1000

> >> > Subject: Re: [kj] FW: Michael Jackson dead

> >> >

> >> >

> >> >

> >> >

> >> > You're a great example of either what religion does to people's minds

> >> or

> >> > who is attracted to religion. Black and white thinking...negative

> >> thoughts

> >> > are BAD, ergo I don't have any. Oh but you do...

> >> >

> >> > In one of your first posts on this list you made a disparaging remark

> >> > about me, so all of your blather below is just that. What you think

> >> you

> >> > should be. Because a bunch of representatives of your collective

> >> imaginary

> >> > friend, who I might point out have a disproportionately high incidence

> >> of

> >> > molesting children, tell you is right, enforced with supernatural

> >> promises

> >> > and threats. Choose me or choose eternal flame...hrm, nice set of

> >> options.

> >> > Sounds like a plausible offer from a sane omnipotent entity.

> >> >

> >> > And if you're like the typical religious idiot there's about a 100%

> >> chance

> >> > that any evidence to the contrary will be refused entry into your

> >> nervous

> >> > system or twisted in such a way that it somehow fits the existing

> >> model..

> >> > No chance of challenging those convictions, that faith. That'd imply

> >> some

> >> > form of honesty and fallibility. God doesn't work that way!

> >> >

> >> >

> >> >

> >> > From: gathering-bounces at misera.net

> >> [mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net]

> >> > On Behalf Of Stephen Lawrence

> >> > Sent: Tuesday, 30 June 2009 4:47 AM

> >> > To: gathering at misera.net

> >> > Subject: Re: [kj] FW: Michael Jackson dead

> >> >

> >> >

> >> > i don't know why i'm bothering

> >> > but half the things you speak of do NOT apply to me

> >> > i do not recall being in any of the scenarios you speak of

> >> > regarding a boss i disliked i just told him what i thought and walked

> >> > i will NOT take shit

> >> > if i like something i say so and vice versa and i do not seek approval

> >> > from anyone

> >> > i have never delivered a speech

> >> > i have never tried ''to fit in ''

> >> > i wear something because it is pleasing to me ,NOT because it is

> >> > fashionable

> >> > i occaisionally pay homage to a particular vernacular because it

> >> raises a

> >> > laugh [ usually at my expense ] but i don't lose sleep over it

> >> > i'll admit picking my nose in my own time and in my own personal space

> >> > i have never laughed AT someone but prefer to laugh with someone [

> >> except

> >> > in the instance of comedy ]

> >> >

> >> >

> >> >

> >> > From: bq at soundgardener.co.nz

> >> > To: gathering at misera.net

> >> > Date: Tue, 30 Jun 2009 00:57:16 +1000

> >> > Subject: Re: [kj] FW: Michael Jackson dead

> >> >

> >> >

> >> >

> >> >

> >> > Never had a boss you weren't honest about disliking (lie by omission)?

> >> A

> >> > friend / partner / family member make a stupid decision or comment

> >> that

> >> > you smiled and bit your tongue to? A stupid joke you laughed along

> >> with

> >> > for reasons of social cohesion / subservience? Put on a brave face

> >> when

> >> > you wanted to cry or scream? Did your best not to look unhappy when

> >> being

> >> > teased or laughed at? Smiled and posed for a photo? Looked like a

> >> tougher

> >> > version of yourself when walking past thugs? Pretended not to give a

> >> shit

> >> > when someone said something that hurt? Pretended to be interested when

> >> > someone you like or thought worthy of respect was boring you? Heaped

> >> > praise on mediocre performance for what you thought were the right

> >> > reasons?

> >> >

> >> > Do you present the same way when delivering a speech as you do when

> >> you're

> >> > getting pissed with your mates? Do you wear clothes you don't like for

> >> > business or other reasons, to fit in? Never looked back in retrospect

> >> and

> >> > thought you were an idiot for trying to come across in a particular

> >> way to

> >> > impress someone else? Presented someone with your representative on a

> >> > date, as opposed to the real you? Waited until no one was around

> >> before

> >> > picking your nose?

> >> >

> >> > Ever found yourslf picking up someone else's vernacular because they

> >> have

> >> > a strong personality? Bought clothes or music or gadgets to 'fit in'?

> >> Or

> >> > to not fit in...

> >> >

> >> > Ever talked shit for an hour straight at a job interview or on a date?

> >> > Stifled laughter in order to not hurt someone else's feelings...?

> >> Tried

> >> > not to look physically disgusted at something / someone who disgusts

> >> you?

> >> >

> >> > Hrm...by my calculations, if the above is true then you're FULL OF

> >> SHIT.

> >> > Just like the rest of us (only slightly moreso ;)

> >> >

> >> >

> >> >

> >> >

> >> > From: gathering-bounces at misera.net

> >> [mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net]

> >> > On Behalf Of jerry bodkin

> >> > Sent: Monday, 29 June 2009 11:27 PM

> >> > To: gathering at misera.net

> >> > Subject: Re: [kj] FW: Michael Jackson dead

> >> >

> >> >

> >> >

> >> > actually I DON'T

> >> >

> >> >

> >> > Same as, it leaves one a touch outspoken at times, but hey, f*£k it!

> >> >

> >> > Jelly...... melting

> >> >

> >> >

> >> > From: stephen.l at live.com

> >> > To: gathering at misera.net

> >> > Date: Mon, 29 Jun 2009 12:49:21 +0000

> >> > Subject: Re: [kj] FW: Michael Jackson dead

> >> >

> >> >

> >> >

> >> > actually I DON'T

> >> >

> >> >> Date: Tue, 30 Jun 2009 00:13:39 +1200

> >> >> From: bq at soundgardener.co.nz

> >> >> To: gathering at misera.net

> >> >> Subject: Re: [kj] FW: Michael Jackson dead

> >> >>

> >> >> Cos we all pretend we're something we're not.

> >> >>

> >> >> >

> >> >> > ...cos no one wants to say so to your face?

> >> >> >

> >> >> >

> >> >> >

> >> >> > Keep Smiling...

> >> >> >

> >> >> > http://www.myspace.com/themodelaircraftmuseum

> >> >> >

> >> >> >

> >> >> > http://www.myspace.com/paulwadyexperience

> >> >> >

> >> >> > Autism also affects adults.

> >> >> > Most are isolated and ignored

> >> >> > Think. Act. Transform Lives.

> >> >> > www.think-differently.org.uk

> >> >> >

> >> >> >

> >> >> >

> >> >> >

> >> >> >

> >> >> >

> >> >> > From: bq at soundgardener.co.nz

> >> >> > To: gathering at misera.net

> >> >> > Date: Mon, 29 Jun 2009 14:11:03 +1000

> >> >> > Subject: Re: [kj] FW: Michael Jackson dead

> >> >> >

> >> >> >

> >> >> >

> >> >> >

> >> >> > It's damn near illegal and harshly looked down upon to talk bad

> >> about

> >> >> a

> >> >> > dead person

> >> >> >

> >> >> > Rraises some interesting questions for those who have an

> >> alternative

> >> >> set

> >> >> > of ethics as espoused by bands such as Killing Joke etc. From what

> >> >> I've

> >> >> > seen that tradition is given lip service but is full of holes to

> >> the

> >> >> > extent that people will find a way to talk about whatever they

> >> want.

> >> >> > Personally I've never really bought into it anyway so I don't feel

> >> any

> >> >> > compunctions either way.

> >> >> >

> >> >> > It doesn't generally apply to enemies

> >> >> > Doesn't apply to anyone who fits into any group it's currently

> >> >> fashionable

> >> >> > to dislike

> >> >> > It's okay to say exactly what you want if you preface your comments

> >> >> with

> >> >> > the assertion that you're only passing on what someone else said

> >> >> > It's behind closed doors and "just between us"

> >> >> > All bets are off when you've had a few drinks.

> >> >> > Lads / mates can talk about anything...

> >> >> > Partners can talk about whatever they want

> >> >> > It sells copy, I don't make the news I just print it...I'm just

> >> doing

> >> >> my

> >> >> > job. I'm just filling a demand, don't blame me I don't buy the

> >> >> tabloids I

> >> >> > just make them...

> >> >> >

> >> >> > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UUXBCdt5IPg

> >> >> >

> >> >> > WHY CAN'T WE JUST ADMIT IT.

> >> >> >

> >> >> >

> >> >> >

> >> >> > From: gathering-bounces at misera.net

> >> >> [mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net]

> >> >> > On Behalf Of sade1

> >> >> > Sent: Monday, 29 June 2009 10:11 AM

> >> >> > To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)

> >> >> > Subject: Re: [kj] FW: Michael Jackson dead

> >> >> >

> >> >> >

> >> >> >

> >> >> >

> >> >> >

> >> >> >> ...none of the...ass-kissing pieces of tripe that I've read

> >> actually

> >> >> >> mention his court cases and... settlements...

> >> >> >

> >> >> >

> >> >> > It's damn near illegal and harshly looked down upon to talk bad

> >> about

> >> >> a

> >> >> > dead person, even if they deliberately were a major asshole in real

> >> >> > life.** Even worse when it seems it was all a tragic accidental

> >> death

> >> >> (so

> >> >> > they're saying).

> >> >> > Worse now that his doctor has lawyered up i don't think they'll

> >> have a

> >> >> > straight answer on anything until legal and insurance cases have

> >> been

> >> >> > settled.

> >> >> >

> >> >> > **besides, even now, television ratings are everything.

> >> >> >

> >> >> > I would like to see any one of his lawyers write a tell-all about

> >> any

> >> >> or

> >> >> > all of MJ's cases and settlements. Would reveal lots.

> >> >> >

> >> >> > ... ... ... ... ... ...

> >> >> >

> >> >> > [looking at the current state of things..]

> >> >> >

> >> >> > 'Save me...

> >> >> > save me from Tomorrow..

> >> >> > I don't want to sail in this Ship Of Fools...'

> >> >> >

> >> >> >

> >> >> >

> >> >> >

> >> >> >

> >> >> >

> >> >> >

> >> >> > From: Jim Harper <jimharper666 at yahoo.co.uk>

> >> >> > To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)

> >> >> > <gathering at misera.net>

> >> >> > Sent: Sunday, June 28, 2009 10:05:26 AM

> >> >> > Subject: Re: [kj] FW: Michael Jackson dead

> >> >> >

> >> >> >

> >> >> >

> >> >> >

> >> >> >

> >> >> >

> >> >> > Aside from the implication that paedophiles are okay if they've

> >> also

> >> >> > written some nice songs, my main grievance about this whole bloody

> >> >> circus

> >> >> > is the media conspiracy to hush-up his charming recreational

> >> >> activities. I

> >> >> > could be wrong, but none of the eulogies, bios and ass-kissing

> >> pieces

> >> >> of

> >> >> > tripe that I've read actually mention his court cases and

> >> >> multi-million

> >> >> > dollar out-of-court settlements. The closest any of them have come

> >> was

> >> >> a

> >> >> > sheepish remark that "[his] later life was dogged by legal

> >> problems"..

> >> >> > Since when did being arrested count as a 'legal problem'? That

> >> makes

> >> >> it

> >> >> > sound like some boundary dispute with a neigbour, or at worst a

> >> little

> >> >> > income-tax evasion..

> >> >> >

> >> >> > It's disgraceful. If Gary Glitter had actually written some

> >> >> half-decent

> >> >> > songs, does that mean he was really a nice guy? When he dies do we

> >> all

> >> >> > have to agree not to mention his child molestation in case it

> >> offends

> >> >> > someone?

> >> >> >

> >> >> > Jim.

> >> >> >

> >> >> > --- On Sun, 28/6/09, Alex Smith <vassifer at earthlink.net> wrote:

> >> >> >

> >> >> >

> >> >> >

> >> >> >

> >> >> >

> >> >> > It's all fucking meaningless. People have been force-fed this inane

> >> >> > bologna for years that MJ was some sort of "genius' (the most

> >> abused

> >> >> word

> >> >> > in the English language). Pile of fucking crap.

> >> >> > I'm sick of it.

> >> >> >

> >> >> > Alex in NYC

> >> >> >

> >> >> >

> >> >> >

> >> >> > -----Original Message-----

> >> >> > From: jerry bodkin

> >> >> > Sent: Jun 28, 2009 11:24 AM

> >> >> > To: gathering at misera.net

> >> >> > Subject: [kj] FW: Michael Jackson dead

> >> >> >

> >> >> >

> >> >> >

> >> >> >

> >> >> >

> >> >> >

> >> >> >

> >> >> > From: jelbod at hotmail.co.uk

> >> >> > To: dpeace at suspiria.demon.co.uk

> >> >> > Subject: RE: [kj] Michael Jackson dead

> >> >> > Date: Sun, 28 Jun 2009 16:24:17 +0100

> >> >> >

> >> >> >

> >> >> >

> >> >> >

> >> >> > If his fans liked his music, why didnt they have the c.d's,

> >> downloads

> >> >> etc

> >> >> > already? Why the sudden rush to purchase and d/load. Somethings

> >> smells

> >> >> > and dont just mean his corpse!

> >> >> >

> >> >> > Jelly.

> >> >> >

> >> >> >

> >> >> >

> >> >> > From: dpeace at bigfoot.com

> >> >> > To: gathering at misera.net

> >> >> > Date: Sun, 28 Jun 2009 16:07:37 +0100

> >> >> > Subject: Re: [kj] Michael Jackson dead

> >> >> >

> >> >> >

> >> >> >

> >> >> >

> >> >> >

> >> >> >

> >> >> >

> >> >> > Oh Christ.

> >> >> >

> >> >> > http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/8123085.stm

> >> >> >

> >> >> > Darren

> >> >> > Hungerford, UK

> >> >> >

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