[kj] FW: Michael Jackson dead

[Brendan]

>

> do i have to spell it out to you ?

>

> YOU WERE CALLING ME CHRIS


I was only trying to get you closer to Christ, sheesh, chill out.


> other gatherers pointed this out

>

> you ignored it


Don't call other gatherers it, they have names.


> i am not going to explain  myself as i am a bullshitter in your eyes


My point was that everyone is a bullshitter in a sense, actually, and I
don't believe people who say they aren't. Don't read too much into someone
saying "bullshit" to you on the internets either, in a discussion about
bullshit (?!). I can't put a smiley on every single thing I say...


> and frankly i can't be bothered


So stop replying then...


> i have better things to do


Fair enough, start doing them, with gusto, verve and vim.


> i notice you like to give shit but can't take it


You're not supposed to be dishing out shit, your'e supposed to be turning
the other cheek and forgiving...what version of the bible are you running
off? Not the one I grew up with (and defaced ;)


> ever heard the glass houses proverb ?


Yeah, ever heard the one about the...oh, I can't tell that one. Or most
others I know...they've all got priests or nuns in them.


> i don't recall many gatherers [ if any ] defending your attack on me


I'm not looking for anyone to defend my opinion. For what it's worth
though Darren saw my point. But we really shouldn't involve the kids in
our arguments.


>

> but then again you are pretty blinkered


You have the universe all wrapped up already, I openly state that I don't
know fuck all. Next stupid comment please.


> don't wanna burst your bubble but soundgarden are NOT the only good band

on the planet

Now that's just funny, esp after I accidentally called you Chris :)

Look, sorry for getting your name wrong, I blitz through emails and ones I
don't understand at a glance (there's a lot on this list, due to in jokes
and regional references and bands I don't know etc) I delete quickly, I
vaguely remember someone pointing out something about it but didn't click.
Or I did click but on the delete button. Big deal.



>> Date: Wed, 1 Jul 2009 23:47:29 +1200

>> From: bq at soundgardener.co.nz

>> To: gathering at misera.net

>> Subject: Re: [kj] FW: Michael Jackson dead

>>

>> err STILL not reading what you have written

>>

>> Indeed. But you still comment on it, how fair.

>>

>> other gatherers pointed it out to you

>>

>> Other gatherers ventured their opinion on both sides, actually.

>>

>> > but i also noticed how you ignored other gatherers points made

>> regarding

>> > jury service

>>

>> What points did I ignore, I thought I answered in full. But how would

>> you

>> know when you're not reading my posts?

>>

>> > i can't be bothered to go into the details of the minor offence case

>> >

>> > i was not the only one voting against

>>

>> You still haven't said what kind of case it was and whether you decided

>> based on evidence or as soon as you had doubt, which is what you

>> originally said, and haven't corrected, so I assume is the case. That

>> was

>> my whole point. You can't sniff doubt on one side or the other and make

>> up

>> your mind then and there without hearing the rest of the evidence.

>>

>> > a juror reminds me of you when stating '' i wanna vote guilty as i

>> haven't

>> > been on a case where that was unanimous yet ''

>>

>> Don't understand you or the comment, and putting words in someone else's

>> mouth isn't a legitimite way to argue a point.

>>

>> > never mind the fact you are dealing with a person's life

>>

>> When are you not?

>>

>> > police never lie do they ?

>>

>> You obviously haven't read my posts about the police.

>>

>> >

>> >

>> >

>> > From: bq at soundgardener.co.nz

>> > To: gathering at misera.net

>> > Date: Wed, 1 Jul 2009 13:55:02 +1000

>> > Subject: Re: [kj] FW: Michael Jackson dead

>> >

>> >

>> >

>> >

>> > Check who you are dissing or get some new glasses...I'm gonna use

>> that.

>> >

>> > Yes STFU means what you think it does. And I'm not apologising to Pete

>> > West, esp not after complimenting his SOH and comparing his english

>> > favourably to yours...I know that's damning with faint praise or

>> whatever,

>> > but hey..

>> >

>> > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7-NOZU2iPA8

>> >

>> >

>> >

>> >

>> > From: gathering-bounces at misera.net

>> [mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net]

>> > On Behalf Of Stephen Lawrence

>> > Sent: Wednesday, 1 July 2009 9:27 AM

>> > To: gathering at misera.net

>> > Subject: Re: [kj] FW: Michael Jackson dead

>> >

>> >

>> > all i'm gonna say is check who you are dissing

>> > or get some new glasses

>> > testing the statement you made

>> > SHUT THE FUCK UP !!!!!!!

>> > sorry ??? like fuck you are

>> > i suggest you read what you last wrote and apologise to the person

>> > mentioned

>> >

>> >> Date: Wed, 1 Jul 2009 00:24:45 +1200

>> >> From: bq at soundgardener.co.nz

>> >> To: gathering at misera.net

>> >> Subject: Re: [kj] FW: Michael Jackson dead

>> >>

>> >> Christ you waffle a load of shit Chris.

>> >>

>> >> Your first lines belie your 'nice' nature. I can take it on the chin

>> >> when

>> >> someone tells me to STFU or whatever, but pretending that you're

>> holier

>> >> than thou, when you demonstrate in your email what a hypocrite you

>> >> are...sorry.

>> >>

>> >> "never on this forum have i TOLD anyone how to live"

>> >>

>> >> Actually you did and got shouted down and told to put a sock in it

>> with

>> >> the religious crap. Sigh...go on and deny it now of course.

>> >>

>> >> "i do NOT consider myself hoilier than thou"

>> >>

>> >> Yes, you do.

>> >>

>> >> "i await the usual one word response"

>> >>

>> >> Two emails out of hundreds doesn't constitute usual. touch of

>> sarcasm?

>> >> That's not positive now is it?

>> >>

>> >> "when obviously the initial hostility was due to the belief i was

>> pete

>> >> west"

>> >>

>> >> Obviously how? What are you on about now? The only confusion between

>> you

>> >> and Pete West is in the hopeless english, you're actually worse than

>> he

>> >> is

>> >> as a matter of fact. Well done. Pete West is quite witty when he gets

>> >> going too, I don't bite when he pops up anymore.

>> >>

>> >> >

>> >> > awww poor brendan

>> >> >

>> >> > hurt your feelings did i ?

>> >> >

>> >> > get over it

>> >> >

>> >> > you come across as an opinionated bully

>> >> >

>> >> > unless it fits in with your world view

>> >> >

>> >> > it must me torn down and stomped on

>> >> >

>> >> > never on this forum have i TOLD anyone how to live

>> >> >

>> >> > i HAVE defended what the bible teaches ,after seeing such rubbish

>> >> written

>> >> > about it [ or parts taken out of context ]

>> >> >

>> >> > i do NOT consider myself hoilier than thou as i KNOW that unless i

>> >> > dramatically change my lifestyle i will NOT see the kingdom onearth

>> >> >

>> >> > i like life as it is even with all the pain suffering and death

>> around

>> >> me

>> >> > and try to alleviate it in some small way

>> >> >

>> >> > NO i am not seeking your approval

>> >> >

>> >> > it would be interesting to see if you walk it like you talk it

>> >> >

>> >> > unlike others on the internet i do not adopt some sort of persona

>> in

>> >> order

>> >> > to feel '' big behind the keyboard ''

>> >> >

>> >> > some gatherers have met me

>> >> >

>> >> > i leave them to give a hopefully honest appraiseal of me

>> >> >

>> >> > if they don't i shan't castigate them for it

>> >> >

>> >> > unlike others i admit to my faults

>> >> >

>> >> > i know i expect too much of others [ even of myself sometimes ]

>> >> >

>> >> > i DO endeavour to make my word my bond

>> >> >

>> >> > i enjoy violent video games but would never perpetrate it in real

>> life

>> >> >

>> >> > i enjoy many types of music but do not force it down others throats

>> >> >

>> >> > i do not see artists as someone to worship and do NOT prescribe to

>> the

>> >> > cult of personality

>> >> >

>> >> > they are people just like me with good and bad points

>> >> >

>> >> > i stand by my statement regarding the scenarios i have NOT been in

>> >> >

>> >> > i have obviously lead a different life to you

>> >> >

>> >> > possibly charmed n some instances but it has had it's share of

>> >> heartbreaks

>> >> >

>> >> > i do NOT seek sympathy from anyone

>> >> >

>> >> > i WILL seek guidance from friends and am not too proud to ask if

>> i'm

>> >> not

>> >> > sure

>> >> >

>> >> > i await the usual one word response

>> >> >

>> >> > oh and intially i defended my view of killing joke

>> >> >

>> >> > i have learnt to respond only when needed or to acknowledge a

>> kindness

>> >> >

>> >> > i do not bear grudges and am surprised that you would drag up the

>> past

>> >> > when obviously the initial hostility was due to the belief i was

>> pete

>> >> west

>> >> >

>> >> > oh well whatever floats your boat

>> >> >

>> >> >

>> >> >

>> >> > From: bq at soundgardener.co.nz

>> >> > To: gathering at misera.net

>> >> > Date: Tue, 30 Jun 2009 14:41:31 +1000

>> >> > Subject: Re: [kj] FW: Michael Jackson dead

>> >> >

>> >> >

>> >> >

>> >> >

>> >> > You're a great example of either what religion does to people's

>> minds

>> >> or

>> >> > who is attracted to religion. Black and white thinking...negative

>> >> thoughts

>> >> > are BAD, ergo I don't have any. Oh but you do...

>> >> >

>> >> > In one of your first posts on this list you made a disparaging

>> remark

>> >> > about me, so all of your blather below is just that. What you think

>> >> you

>> >> > should be. Because a bunch of representatives of your collective

>> >> imaginary

>> >> > friend, who I might point out have a disproportionately high

>> incidence

>> >> of

>> >> > molesting children, tell you is right, enforced with supernatural

>> >> promises

>> >> > and threats. Choose me or choose eternal flame...hrm, nice set of

>> >> options.

>> >> > Sounds like a plausible offer from a sane omnipotent entity.

>> >> >

>> >> > And if you're like the typical religious idiot there's about a 100%

>> >> chance

>> >> > that any evidence to the contrary will be refused entry into your

>> >> nervous

>> >> > system or twisted in such a way that it somehow fits the existing

>> >> model..

>> >> > No chance of challenging those convictions, that faith. That'd

>> imply

>> >> some

>> >> > form of honesty and fallibility. God doesn't work that way!

>> >> >

>> >> >

>> >> >

>> >> > From: gathering-bounces at misera.net

>> >> [mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net]

>> >> > On Behalf Of Stephen Lawrence

>> >> > Sent: Tuesday, 30 June 2009 4:47 AM

>> >> > To: gathering at misera.net

>> >> > Subject: Re: [kj] FW: Michael Jackson dead

>> >> >

>> >> >

>> >> > i don't know why i'm bothering

>> >> > but half the things you speak of do NOT apply to me

>> >> > i do not recall being in any of the scenarios you speak of

>> >> > regarding a boss i disliked i just told him what i thought and

>> walked

>> >> > i will NOT take shit

>> >> > if i like something i say so and vice versa and i do not seek

>> approval

>> >> > from anyone

>> >> > i have never delivered a speech

>> >> > i have never tried ''to fit in ''

>> >> > i wear something because it is pleasing to me ,NOT because it is

>> >> > fashionable

>> >> > i occaisionally pay homage to a particular vernacular because it

>> >> raises a

>> >> > laugh [ usually at my expense ] but i don't lose sleep over it

>> >> > i'll admit picking my nose in my own time and in my own personal

>> space

>> >> > i have never laughed AT someone but prefer to laugh with someone [

>> >> except

>> >> > in the instance of comedy ]

>> >> >

>> >> >

>> >> >

>> >> > From: bq at soundgardener.co.nz

>> >> > To: gathering at misera.net

>> >> > Date: Tue, 30 Jun 2009 00:57:16 +1000

>> >> > Subject: Re: [kj] FW: Michael Jackson dead

>> >> >

>> >> >

>> >> >

>> >> >

>> >> > Never had a boss you weren't honest about disliking (lie by

>> omission)?

>> >> A

>> >> > friend / partner / family member make a stupid decision or comment

>> >> that

>> >> > you smiled and bit your tongue to? A stupid joke you laughed along

>> >> with

>> >> > for reasons of social cohesion / subservience? Put on a brave face

>> >> when

>> >> > you wanted to cry or scream? Did your best not to look unhappy when

>> >> being

>> >> > teased or laughed at? Smiled and posed for a photo? Looked like a

>> >> tougher

>> >> > version of yourself when walking past thugs? Pretended not to give

>> a

>> >> shit

>> >> > when someone said something that hurt? Pretended to be interested

>> when

>> >> > someone you like or thought worthy of respect was boring you?

>> Heaped

>> >> > praise on mediocre performance for what you thought were the right

>> >> > reasons?

>> >> >

>> >> > Do you present the same way when delivering a speech as you do when

>> >> you're

>> >> > getting pissed with your mates? Do you wear clothes you don't like

>> for

>> >> > business or other reasons, to fit in? Never looked back in

>> retrospect

>> >> and

>> >> > thought you were an idiot for trying to come across in a particular

>> >> way to

>> >> > impress someone else? Presented someone with your representative on

>> a

>> >> > date, as opposed to the real you? Waited until no one was around

>> >> before

>> >> > picking your nose?

>> >> >

>> >> > Ever found yourslf picking up someone else's vernacular because

>> they

>> >> have

>> >> > a strong personality? Bought clothes or music or gadgets to 'fit

>> in'?

>> >> Or

>> >> > to not fit in...

>> >> >

>> >> > Ever talked shit for an hour straight at a job interview or on a

>> date?

>> >> > Stifled laughter in order to not hurt someone else's feelings...?

>> >> Tried

>> >> > not to look physically disgusted at something / someone who

>> disgusts

>> >> you?

>> >> >

>> >> > Hrm...by my calculations, if the above is true then you're FULL OF

>> >> SHIT.

>> >> > Just like the rest of us (only slightly moreso ;)

>> >> >

>> >> >

>> >> >

>> >> >

>> >> > From: gathering-bounces at misera.net

>> >> [mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net]

>> >> > On Behalf Of jerry bodkin

>> >> > Sent: Monday, 29 June 2009 11:27 PM

>> >> > To: gathering at misera.net

>> >> > Subject: Re: [kj] FW: Michael Jackson dead

>> >> >

>> >> >

>> >> >

>> >> > actually I DON'T

>> >> >

>> >> >

>> >> > Same as, it leaves one a touch outspoken at times, but hey, f*£k

>> it!

>> >> >

>> >> > Jelly...... melting

>> >> >

>> >> >

>> >> > From: stephen.l at live.com

>> >> > To: gathering at misera.net

>> >> > Date: Mon, 29 Jun 2009 12:49:21 +0000

>> >> > Subject: Re: [kj] FW: Michael Jackson dead

>> >> >

>> >> >

>> >> >

>> >> > actually I DON'T

>> >> >

>> >> >> Date: Tue, 30 Jun 2009 00:13:39 +1200

>> >> >> From: bq at soundgardener.co.nz

>> >> >> To: gathering at misera.net

>> >> >> Subject: Re: [kj] FW: Michael Jackson dead

>> >> >>

>> >> >> Cos we all pretend we're something we're not.

>> >> >>

>> >> >> >

>> >> >> > ...cos no one wants to say so to your face?

>> >> >> >

>> >> >> >

>> >> >> >

>> >> >> > Keep Smiling...

>> >> >> >

>> >> >> > http://www.myspace.com/themodelaircraftmuseum

>> >> >> >

>> >> >> >

>> >> >> > http://www.myspace.com/paulwadyexperience

>> >> >> >

>> >> >> > Autism also affects adults.

>> >> >> > Most are isolated and ignored

>> >> >> > Think. Act. Transform Lives.

>> >> >> > www.think-differently.org.uk

>> >> >> >

>> >> >> >

>> >> >> >

>> >> >> >

>> >> >> >

>> >> >> >

>> >> >> > From: bq at soundgardener.co.nz

>> >> >> > To: gathering at misera.net

>> >> >> > Date: Mon, 29 Jun 2009 14:11:03 +1000

>> >> >> > Subject: Re: [kj] FW: Michael Jackson dead

>> >> >> >

>> >> >> >

>> >> >> >

>> >> >> >

>> >> >> > It's damn near illegal and harshly looked down upon to talk bad

>> >> about

>> >> >> a

>> >> >> > dead person

>> >> >> >

>> >> >> > Rraises some interesting questions for those who have an

>> >> alternative

>> >> >> set

>> >> >> > of ethics as espoused by bands such as Killing Joke etc. From

>> what

>> >> >> I've

>> >> >> > seen that tradition is given lip service but is full of holes to

>> >> the

>> >> >> > extent that people will find a way to talk about whatever they

>> >> want.

>> >> >> > Personally I've never really bought into it anyway so I don't

>> feel

>> >> any

>> >> >> > compunctions either way.

>> >> >> >

>> >> >> > It doesn't generally apply to enemies

>> >> >> > Doesn't apply to anyone who fits into any group it's currently

>> >> >> fashionable

>> >> >> > to dislike

>> >> >> > It's okay to say exactly what you want if you preface your

>> comments

>> >> >> with

>> >> >> > the assertion that you're only passing on what someone else said

>> >> >> > It's behind closed doors and "just between us"

>> >> >> > All bets are off when you've had a few drinks.

>> >> >> > Lads / mates can talk about anything...

>> >> >> > Partners can talk about whatever they want

>> >> >> > It sells copy, I don't make the news I just print it...I'm just

>> >> doing

>> >> >> my

>> >> >> > job. I'm just filling a demand, don't blame me I don't buy the

>> >> >> tabloids I

>> >> >> > just make them...

>> >> >> >

>> >> >> > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UUXBCdt5IPg

>> >> >> >

>> >> >> > WHY CAN'T WE JUST ADMIT IT.

>> >> >> >

>> >> >> >

>> >> >> >

>> >> >> > From: gathering-bounces at misera.net

>> >> >> [mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net]

>> >> >> > On Behalf Of sade1

>> >> >> > Sent: Monday, 29 June 2009 10:11 AM

>> >> >> > To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)

>> >> >> > Subject: Re: [kj] FW: Michael Jackson dead

>> >> >> >

>> >> >> >

>> >> >> >

>> >> >> >

>> >> >> >

>> >> >> >> ...none of the...ass-kissing pieces of tripe that I've read

>> >> actually

>> >> >> >> mention his court cases and... settlements...

>> >> >> >

>> >> >> >

>> >> >> > It's damn near illegal and harshly looked down upon to talk bad

>> >> about

>> >> >> a

>> >> >> > dead person, even if they deliberately were a major asshole in

>> real

>> >> >> > life.** Even worse when it seems it was all a tragic accidental

>> >> death

>> >> >> (so

>> >> >> > they're saying).

>> >> >> > Worse now that his doctor has lawyered up i don't think they'll

>> >> have a

>> >> >> > straight answer on anything until legal and insurance cases have

>> >> been

>> >> >> > settled.

>> >> >> >

>> >> >> > **besides, even now, television ratings are everything.

>> >> >> >

>> >> >> > I would like to see any one of his lawyers write a tell-all

>> about

>> >> any

>> >> >> or

>> >> >> > all of MJ's cases and settlements. Would reveal lots.

>> >> >> >

>> >> >> > ... ... ... ... ... ...

>> >> >> >

>> >> >> > [looking at the current state of things..]

>> >> >> >

>> >> >> > 'Save me...

>> >> >> > save me from Tomorrow..

>> >> >> > I don't want to sail in this Ship Of Fools...'

>> >> >> >

>> >> >> >

>> >> >> >

>> >> >> >

>> >> >> >

>> >> >> >

>> >> >> >

>> >> >> > From: Jim Harper <jimharper666 at yahoo.co.uk>

>> >> >> > To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)

>> >> >> > <gathering at misera.net>

>> >> >> > Sent: Sunday, June 28, 2009 10:05:26 AM

>> >> >> > Subject: Re: [kj] FW: Michael Jackson dead

>> >> >> >

>> >> >> >

>> >> >> >

>> >> >> >

>> >> >> >

>> >> >> >

>> >> >> > Aside from the implication that paedophiles are okay if they've

>> >> also

>> >> >> > written some nice songs, my main grievance about this whole

>> bloody

>> >> >> circus

>> >> >> > is the media conspiracy to hush-up his charming recreational

>> >> >> activities. I

>> >> >> > could be wrong, but none of the eulogies, bios and ass-kissing

>> >> pieces

>> >> >> of

>> >> >> > tripe that I've read actually mention his court cases and

>> >> >> multi-million

>> >> >> > dollar out-of-court settlements. The closest any of them have

>> come

>> >> was

>> >> >> a

>> >> >> > sheepish remark that "[his] later life was dogged by legal

>> >> problems"..

>> >> >> > Since when did being arrested count as a 'legal problem'? That

>> >> makes

>> >> >> it

>> >> >> > sound like some boundary dispute with a neigbour, or at worst a

>> >> little

>> >> >> > income-tax evasion..

>> >> >> >

>> >> >> > It's disgraceful. If Gary Glitter had actually written some

>> >> >> half-decent

>> >> >> > songs, does that mean he was really a nice guy? When he dies do

>> we

>> >> all

>> >> >> > have to agree not to mention his child molestation in case it

>> >> offends

>> >> >> > someone?

>> >> >> >

>> >> >> > Jim.

>> >> >> >

>> >> >> > --- On Sun, 28/6/09, Alex Smith <vassifer at earthlink.net> wrote:

>> >> >> >

>> >> >> >

>> >> >> >

>> >> >> >

>> >> >> >

>> >> >> > It's all fucking meaningless. People have been force-fed this

>> inane

>> >> >> > bologna for years that MJ was some sort of "genius' (the most

>> >> abused

>> >> >> word

>> >> >> > in the English language). Pile of fucking crap.

>> >> >> > I'm sick of it.

>> >> >> >

>> >> >> > Alex in NYC

>> >> >> >

>> >> >> >

>> >> >> >

>> >> >> > -----Original Message-----

>> >> >> > From: jerry bodkin

>> >> >> > Sent: Jun 28, 2009 11:24 AM

>> >> >> > To: gathering at misera.net

>> >> >> > Subject: [kj] FW: Michael Jackson dead

>> >> >> >

>> >> >> >

>> >> >> >

>> >> >> >

>> >> >> >

>> >> >> >

>> >> >> >

>> >> >> > From: jelbod at hotmail.co.uk

>> >> >> > To: dpeace at suspiria.demon.co.uk

>> >> >> > Subject: RE: [kj] Michael Jackson dead

>> >> >> > Date: Sun, 28 Jun 2009 16:24:17 +0100

>> >> >> >

>> >> >> >

>> >> >> >

>> >> >> >

>> >> >> > If his fans liked his music, why didnt they have the c.d's,

>> >> downloads

>> >> >> etc

>> >> >> > already? Why the sudden rush to purchase and d/load. Somethings

>> >> smells

>> >> >> > and dont just mean his corpse!

>> >> >> >

>> >> >> > Jelly.

>> >> >> >

>> >> >> >

>> >> >> >

>> >> >> > From: dpeace at bigfoot.com

>> >> >> > To: gathering at misera.net

>> >> >> > Date: Sun, 28 Jun 2009 16:07:37 +0100

>> >> >> > Subject: Re: [kj] Michael Jackson dead

>> >> >> >

>> >> >> >

>> >> >> >

>> >> >> >

>> >> >> >

>> >> >> >

>> >> >> >

>> >> >> > Oh Christ.

>> >> >> >

>> >> >> > http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/8123085.stm

>> >> >> >

>> >> >> > Darren

>> >> >> > Hungerford, UK

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