[kj] (OT) Speaking of Banshees...

[Alexander Smith]

Screw Prince. Deplorably overrated.

Alex in NYC


On Jun 10, 2009, at 4:15 PM, Karen Weil wrote:


> Prince cover? Good God. Glad I've never heard that.

>

> k.w.

> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Darren A. Peace" <dpeace at bigfoot.com 

> >

> To: "'A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)'" <gathering at misera.net 

> >

> Sent: Wednesday, June 10, 2009 12:43 PM

> Subject: Re: [kj] (OT) Speaking of Banshees...

>

>

>> AHA! AN ADMISSION OF CULPABILITY.

>>

>> A spot of extraordinary rendition and you'll be 'fessing up to Once  

>> Upon A

>> Time, the Mandela Day single and that abortion of a Prince cover  

>> they did.

>>

>> Darren

>> Hungerford, UK

>>

>> -----Original Message-----

>> From: gathering-bounces at misera.net [mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net 

>> ] On

>> Behalf Of ade

>> Sent: 10 June 2009 8:31 PM

>> To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)

>> Subject: Re: [kj] (OT) Speaking of Banshees...

>>

>> But only the VERY early stuff !

>>

>> -----Original Message-----

>> From: gathering-bounces at misera.net

>> [mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net]On Behalf Of Karen Weil

>> Sent: 10 June 2009 19:01

>> To: dpeace at suspiria.demon.co.uk; A list about all things Killing Joke

>> (the band!)

>> Subject: Re: [kj] (OT) Speaking of Banshees...

>>

>>

>> Here, here to Darren's comments on SM. Early stuff was fantastic.

>>

>> Cheers,

>>

>> Karen

>> San Diego, USA

>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Darren A. Peace" <dpeace at bigfoot.com 

>> >

>> To: "'A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)'"

>> <gathering at misera.net>

>> Sent: Wednesday, June 10, 2009 3:35 AM

>> Subject: Re: [kj] (OT) Speaking of Banshees...

>>

>>

>>> I guess so. Stadium Rock periods are seldom forgiven, unless it  

>>> was clear

>>> from the start that it was the intention.

>>>

>>> And the early Simple Minds albums (Empires & Dance, Sons &  

>>> Fascination &

>>> New

>>> Gold Dream) are all excellent, and there are things to like about  

>>> the

>>> others

>>> too.

>>>

>>> Although the cover of "A Song From Under The Floorboards" on the  

>>> bonus

>>> disc

>>> with the new album is an ABOMINATION.

>>>

>>> Darren

>>> Hungerford, UK

>>>

>>> -----Original Message-----

>>> From: gathering-bounces at misera.net [mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net 

>>> ]

>>> On

>>> Behalf Of Brendan

>>> Sent: 10 June 2009 11:25 AM

>>> To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)

>>> Subject: Re: [kj] (OT) Speaking of Banshees...

>>>

>>> So tell me, is it the U2 aspirations / comparisons that have the  

>>> daggers

>>> drawn for Simple Minds? I honestly thought for a long time that  

>>> Waterfront

>>> was a U2 track. Very Bono.

>>>

>>> Then again, I was convinced until recently that dogs couldn't look  

>>> up.

>>>

>>>> I'd imagine it's the Simple Minds influence that appealed to me.

>>>>

>>>> Darren

>>>> Hungerford, UK

>>>>

>>>> -----Original Message-----

>>>> From: gathering-bounces at misera.net [mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net 

>>>> ]

>>>> On

>>>> Behalf Of Brendan

>>>> Sent: 10 June 2009 11:07 AM

>>>> To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)

>>>> Subject: Re: [kj] (OT) Speaking of Banshees...

>>>>

>>>> *INTENTIONALLY LOUD SNICKER*

>>>>

>>>>>> From what Jaz said at the time, it was certainly intended as a  

>>>>>> KJ album.

>>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>> And I quite like it. You can all fuck off.

>>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>> Darren

>>>>>

>>>>> Hungerford, UK

>>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>> From: gathering-bounces at misera.net [mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net 

>>>>> ]

>>>>> On

>>>>> Behalf Of MichaelHead at HBOSplc.com

>>>>> Sent: 10 June 2009 8:48 AM

>>>>> To: gathering at misera.net

>>>>> Subject: Re: [kj] (OT) Speaking of Banshees...

>>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>> thanks for the references. still reads to me that OTG started  

>>>>> life as a

>>>>> fully fledged KJ album.

>>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>>  _____

>>>>>

>>>>> From: gathering-bounces at misera.net [mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net 

>>>>> ]

>>>>> On

>>>>> Behalf Of sade1

>>>>> Sent: 10 June 2009 01:50

>>>>> To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)

>>>>> Subject: Re: [kj] (OT) Speaking of Banshees...

>>>>>

>>>>> IIRC from interviews at the time, it was some kind of Jaz  

>>>>> project where

>>>>> the

>>>>> guys played but after fighting with Jaz either or both of the 2  

>>>>> Pauls

>>>>> refused to have their names on it and basically ordered to Jaz  

>>>>> to remove

>>>>> the

>>>>> names (for sure Raven did, acc. to Raven). It was all repackaged  

>>>>> as KJ

>>>>> by

>>>>> The (Music) Man in order for The Man to recoup the costs of the  

>>>>> album -

>>>>> so

>>>>> i

>>>>> guess all their names went back on it for that reason(?)

>>>>>

>>>>> (but don't take my word for it, see for yourself here:

>>>>> http://www.anirrationaldomain.net/articles/ 

>>>>> 1987-1991/87index.html )

>>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>>   Ha ha,I am just noticing now how beautiful it is, the irony of  

>>>>> it all

>>>>> that after OTG, KJ turned around and recorded EDVRE in no time  

>>>>> at all

>>>>> and

>>>>> for almost next-to-nothing cost and it turned out ot be one of  

>>>>> their

>>>>> best

>>>>> and most definitive albums ever.

>>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>> Anyone know offhand how long EDVRE did take to record, was it a  

>>>>> week, or

>>>>> just under 2 weeks or... ?

>>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>> ... ... ... ... ... ...

>>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>> [looking at the current state of things..]

>>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>> 'Save me...

>>>>>

>>>>>  save me from Tomorrow..

>>>>>

>>>>>    I don't want to sail in this Ship Of Fools...'

>>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>>  _____

>>>>>

>>>>> From: "jpwhkj at aol.com" <jpwhkj at aol.com>

>>>>> To: gathering at misera.net

>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, June 9, 2009 5:27:52 PM

>>>>> Subject: Re: [kj] (OT) Speaking of Banshees...

>>>>>

>>>>> Yeah, I've wondered that as well.  I tend to think that it was an

>>>>> after-the-fact attempt at distancing themselves from a turd.  But

>>>>> occasionally I wonder if it really was a Jaz solo album - perhaps

>>>>> especially

>>>>> in terms of composition - and the Pauls just got roped in to  

>>>>> playing

>>>>> 'cos

>>>>> they happened to be available.

>>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>> -----Original Message-----

>>>>> From: MichaelHead at HBOSplc.com

>>>>> To: gathering at misera.net

>>>>> Sent: Tue, 9 Jun 2009 13:26

>>>>> Subject: Re: [kj] (OT) Speaking of Banshees...

>>>>>

>>>>> I've always been puzzled by the assertion that OTG was not meant  

>>>>> to be a

>>>>> KJ album. How come the 2 Paul's play on the demo versions of the  

>>>>> tracks

>>>>> then?

>>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>> -----Original Message-----

>>>>> From: gathering-bounces at misera.net [mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net

>>>>> <mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net?> ]

>>>>> On Behalf Of Brendan

>>>>> Sent: 09 June 2009 13:11

>>>>> To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)

>>>>> Subject: Re: [kj] (OT) Speaking of Banshees...

>>>>>

>>>>> I was the first to say, KJ sans Jaz, no way. I'll be the first  

>>>>> to agree,

>>>>> OTG IS shit. They have all but acknowledged that, and bearing in  

>>>>> mind

>>>>> the fact that it was never intended by the band to be a fully  

>>>>> fledged KJ

>>>>> album, I ignore it and don't let it stain their rep at all.

>>>>>

>>>>> Ade you going to download festival? Just saw the line  

>>>>> up...sheesh. Some

>>>>> great stuff there. FNM would be up your alley innit? You can go  

>>>>> and

>>>>> check out Chris Cornell's saggy tits too.

>>>>>

>>>>>> Here's another one - OTG is shit. Let's see who has a fucking  

>>>>>> cry over

>>>>>

>>>>>> that one!

>>>>>>

>>>>>> -----Original Message-----

>>>>>> From: gathering-bounces at misera.net

>>>>>> [mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net]On

>>>>> <mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net]On?>

>>>>>> Behalf Of Darren A. Peace

>>>>>> Sent: 09 June 2009 12:44

>>>>>> To: 'A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)'

>>>>>> Subject: Re: [kj] (OT) Speaking of Banshees...

>>>>>>

>>>>>>

>>>>>>

>>>>>> Time for your meds?

>>>>>>

>>>>>>

>>>>>>

>>>>>> Clearly you should burn all your Banshees records as a penance  

>>>>>> (but

>>>>>> don't microwave the CDs; I can attest that the bits of airborn  

>>>>>> carbon

>>>>>> take an awful lot of cleaning).

>>>>>>

>>>>>>

>>>>>>

>>>>>> Darren

>>>>>>

>>>>>> Hungerford, UK

>>>>>>

>>>>>>

>>>>>>

>>>>>> From: gathering-bounces at misera.net

>>>>>> [mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net

>>>>> <mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net?> ]

>>>>>> On Behalf Of ade

>>>>>> Sent: 09 June 2009 12:32 PM

>>>>>> To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)

>>>>>> Subject: Re: [kj] (OT) Speaking of Banshees...

>>>>>>

>>>>>>

>>>>>>

>>>>>> Wow. It now appears that I've been 'singling' Siouxsie out. If  

>>>>>> you go

>>>>>> back through the thread you'll find that I was very  

>>>>>> disappointed with

>>>>>> the fact she can't sing in tune on the 7 Year Itch dvd, that's  

>>>>>> all.

>>>>>> Just because I find that dvd SO disappointing (disappointing  

>>>>>> because

>>>>>> it could have been so much better). The vocal fucks the whole  

>>>>>> thing

>>>>>> up. The performance was mind-numbingly fannytastic - I know, I  

>>>>>> was

>>>>> there.

>>>>>>

>>>>>>

>>>>>>

>>>>>> It doesn't mean that every other item I have in my Banshees  

>>>>>> collection

>>>>>

>>>>>> (99% of everything) is now rendered SHIT. It doesn't mean I  

>>>>>> have it in

>>>>>

>>>>>> for Siouxsie either. FOR FUCK SAKE.

>>>>>>

>>>>>>

>>>>>>

>>>>>> How DARE I fucking criticise.

>>>>>>

>>>>>>

>>>>>>

>>>>>> -----Original Message-----

>>>>>> From: gathering-bounces at misera.net

>>>>>> [mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net]On

>>>>> <mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net]On?>

>>>>>> Behalf Of Bette Dillinger

>>>>>> Sent: 09 June 2009 01:49

>>>>>> To: gathering at misera.net

>>>>>> Subject: Re: [kj] (OT) Speaking of Banshees...

>>>>>>

>>>>>> I just watched some video from "The Seven Year Itch" tour on  

>>>>>> youtube.

>>>>>> "Voodoo Dolly" done in a primitive way was pretty captivating.   

>>>>>> Sure,

>>>>>> she sounded primitive as well, but looking at recent footage of  

>>>>>> say,

>>>>>> Johnny Rotten makes me wonder why she is being singled out.   

>>>>>> She still

>>>>>

>>>>>> has a voice, and though out of tune, she embraces that.  I also

>>>>>> figured that was part of the point, and she has entralled me  

>>>>>> for years

>>>>> due to her "fuck it"

>>>>>> attitude.  Her voice is spellbinding (har) despite this.  John  

>>>>>> Lydon

>>>>>> can barely get the words out to "Bodies" (I watched his 2007

>>>>>> version).....and was playing the Hard Rock Casino in LV.  I still

>>>>>> consider her a force to be reckoned with, I guess is what I am  

>>>>>> trying

>>>>>> to say.  Her voice is even more subversive than when she started.

>>>>>>

>>>>>>

>>>>>>

>>>>>>  _____

>>>>>>

>>>>>>

>>>>>> Date: Sun, 7 Jun 2009 17:08:32 +0100

>>>>>> From: ade at the-lab.zetnet.co.uk

>>>>>> To: gathering at misera.net

>>>>>> Subject: Re: [kj] (OT) Speaking of Banshees...

>>>>>>

>>>>>> She's lovely :)

>>>>>>

>>>>>>

>>>>>>

>>>>>> Oh, well I'm glad to hear she's regaining her voice. She was  

>>>>>> nowhere

>>>>>> near as bad as that 7 yeat itch

>>>>>>

>>>>>> stuff when I saw some of the 90's Creatures gigs.

>>>>>>

>>>>>> -----Original Message-----

>>>>>> From: gathering-bounces at misera.net

>>>>>> [mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net]On

>>>>> <mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net]On?>

>>>>>> Behalf Of Steve Hackett

>>>>>> Sent: 07 June 2009 17:03

>>>>>> To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)

>>>>>> Subject: Re: [kj] (OT) Speaking of Banshees...

>>>>>>

>>>>>> Its much better than the 7 yr itch, certainly, but at times she  

>>>>>> does

>>>>>> sound like a wounded buffalo when she tries to force some of the

>>>>>> notes..looks great though. I couldn't get away with a Pam Hogg  

>>>>>> catsuit

>>>>>

>>>>>> like she does and I'm NOWHERE NEAR 50...

>>>>>>

>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----

>>>>>>

>>>>>> From: ade <mailto:ade at the-lab.zetnet.co.uk

>>>>> <mailto:ade at the-lab.zetnet.co.uk?> >

>>>>>>

>>>>>> To: A list  <mailto:gathering at misera.net <mailto:gathering at misera.net? 

>>>>>> >

>>>>>> >

>>>>> about all things Killing

>>>>>> Joke (the band!)

>>>>>>

>>>>>> Sent: Sunday, June 07, 2009 4:04 PM

>>>>>>

>>>>>> Subject: Re: [kj] (OT) Speaking of Banshees...

>>>>>>

>>>>>>

>>>>>>

>>>>>> Does she sing in tune on the live Mantaray stuff? I have that 7  

>>>>>> year

>>>>>> itch dvd & it's un-fucking-listenable. Utterly, utterly  

>>>>>> disappointing.

>>>>>

>>>>>> Luckily I couldn't tell she was ridiculously out of tune when I  

>>>>>> saw

>>>>>> them on that tour in Sheffield. 'twas an awesome gig...

>>>>>>

>>>>>> -----Original Message-----

>>>>>> From: gathering-bounces at misera.net

>>>>>> [mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net]On

>>>>> <mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net]On?>

>>>>>> Behalf Of Steve Hackett

>>>>>> Sent: 06 June 2009 11:02

>>>>>> To: dpeace at suspiria.demon.co.uk; A list about all things  

>>>>>> Killing Joke

>>>>>> (the

>>>>>> band!)

>>>>>> Subject: Re: [kj] (OT) Speaking of Banshees...

>>>>>>

>>>>>> got mine this week too - I think its pretty decent value on  

>>>>>> Amazon

>>>>>> already. Particularly enjoyed the DVD - comparing the early  

>>>>>> footage to

>>>>>

>>>>>> the latest Mantaray DVD I can safely say Siouxsie has aged a lot

>>>>>> better over the last 30 years than me...

>>>>>>

>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----

>>>>>>

>>>>>> From: Darren A.  <mailto:dpeace at bigfoot.com

>>>>>> <mailto:dpeace at bigfoot.com?>

>>>>>> >

>>>>> Peace

>>>>>>

>>>>>> To: 'A  <mailto:gathering at misera.net <mailto:gathering at misera.net? 

>>>>>> > >

>>>>>> list

>>>>> about all things Killing

>>>>>> Joke (the band!)'

>>>>>>

>>>>>> Sent: Friday, June 05, 2009 4:51 PM

>>>>>>

>>>>>> Subject: Re: [kj] (OT) Speaking of Banshees...

>>>>>>

>>>>>>

>>>>>>

>>>>>> It's a fantastic package.

>>>>>>

>>>>>>

>>>>>>

>>>>>> It renders "Voices On The Air" obsolete, however, as it  

>>>>>> includes all

>>>>>> the Peel sessions. The quality is excellent, and the entire  

>>>>>> thing is

>>>>>> only marred by the usual pretentious wankery of Paul Morley's  

>>>>>> "essay"

>>>>>> (sic) in the booklet. The DVD is great too; I can now retire my

>>>>>> DVD-from-TV of the Rock Goes To College.

>>>>>>

>>>>>>

>>>>>>

>>>>>> Recommended, particularly when it comes down in price a bit.

>>>>>>

>>>>>>

>>>>>>

>>>>>> Darren

>>>>>>

>>>>>> Hungerford, UK

>>>>>>

>>>>>>

>>>>>>

>>>>>> From: gathering-bounces at misera.net

>>>>>> [mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net

>>>>> <mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net?> ]

>>>>>> On Behalf Of Blazingstar418

>>>>>> Sent: 22 April 2009 8:44 AM

>>>>>> To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)

>>>>>> Subject: Re: [kj] (OT) Speaking of Banshees...

>>>>>>

>>>>>>

>>>>>>

>>>>>>

>>>>>> This'll be a good one!

>>>>>>

>>>>>> http://www.amazon.co.uk/At-BBC-Siouxsie-Banshees/dp/B001UJGK7C/ref=dp_

>>>>>> return_1?ie=UTF8&n=229816&s=music

>>>>>>

>>>>>> A L P

>>>>>>

>>>>>>

>>>>>> "The scene was wild and somewhat sinister. The darkness, the  

>>>>>> palms,

>>>>>> the mountainous background, the silent lake below, the  

>>>>>> impenetrable

>>>>>> canopy of space, studded with secretive and significant stars,  

>>>>>> formed

>>>>>> a stupendous setting for the savage noise and blaze of the  

>>>>>> ceremony."

>>>>>>

>>>>>>

>>>>>>

>>>>>>

>>>>>>  _____

>>>>>>

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