[kj] FW: jaz date change 4 spoken word

[The Exorcist]

Why should they?  And why should anyone have to "fit in" with everyone else?
Are we not individuals. When you make groups, you 
create outcasts. You create an "us and them".
There is already a divisiveness.

Ever see a brilliant kid in class? Many 
troublemakers are smart brainy kids going out of their minds
because of the dulness of the class. Their mind 
was racing ahead and the rest are trudging along at their own pace.

Individual merit and competition can fuel ideas 
and are a great motivator. Once you bring in groups you bring in
bureaucracies and everything gets muddled into one very slow machine.

BTW, ever read Vladimir Voinovich?

Alas, I think I am all out of witticisms today so 
I'll have to signoff without writing one.

G'day Greg!

At 10:06 AM 3/18/2009, GREG SLAWSON wrote:

>Why wouldn't they be able to? (See the movie 

>"Witness" if you really think people can't 

>cooperate). You always get a few who don't fit 

>in with anyone else, but as a comrade once said 

>"for the people who want to live in the woods 

>all by themselves, we can figure out something for them too".

>

>

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>Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2009 09:53:00 -0400

>From: killingjoke at theimmortalfool.com

>To: gathering at misera.net

>Subject: Re: [kj] FW: jaz date change 4 spoken word

>

>And what if one can't work cooperatively?

>

>At 09:54 PM 3/17/2009, GREG SLAWSON wrote:

>I agree Brenden, and for 2 reasons:

>1. Humans have thing called brains and can 

>control their own behavior to an extent and

>2. Working cooperatively is the best way to go!

>Greg

>

>

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>From: bq at soundgardener.co.nz

>To: gathering at misera.net

>Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2009 12:44:44 +1100

>Subject: Re: [kj] FW: jaz date change 4 spoken word

>

>I read the other day that just over 50% of 

>Americans donate time to volunteer causes, an 

>average of 4.2 hours a week (sounds a little 

>high to me but who knows

most countries are 

>fucked up enough to need all the help they can 

>get). So the idea that ‘humans are inherently 

>selfish,’ that the corrupt will always end up in 

>power

doesn’t hold any water for me. In fact no 

>other species really comes close to us in terms 

>of our altruism and relationships.

>

>

>

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>From: gathering-bounces at misera.net [ 

>mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net] On Behalf Of GREG SLAWSON

>Sent: Wednesday, 18 March 2009 03:31

>To: gathering

>Subject: Re: [kj] FW: jaz date change 4 spoken word

>

>

>

>People are always willing to parrot plattitudes 

>they've learned from anti-communist teachers, 

>parents, etc., w/o really thinking about them. 

>But in the US there is a nightly segment on nbc 

>news about how, in the tough economy, there is 

>an outpouring of people helping each other, 

>doing things for free, giving more to the less 

>fortunate, etc., w/o looking for any praise or 

>payback. And don't forget that we've never lived 

>in a time when poeple in power are prevented 

>form being corrupt, so how can we know if 

>everyone in power will automatically be corrupt?

>

>

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>From: folk.devil at hotmail.com

>To: gathering at misera.net

>Date: Tue, 17 Mar 2009 08:30:35 -0700

>Subject: Re: [kj] FW: jaz date change 4 spoken word

>

>I find it interesting when some people term 

>humanity as some form of parasite. Do these 

>people include themselves in the analogy, or 

>not? If yes, do they use the idea as some form 

>of condonation for not giving a sh*t?

>There is a trend, particularly in industrial 

>music, to adopt this idea....hell of a way to 

>perpetuate the inert, or do they feel that they 

>are in touch with the zeitgeist?

>

>

>

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>From: bq at soundgardener.co.nz

>To: gathering at misera.net

>Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2009 01:22:44 +1100

>Subject: Re: [kj] FW: jaz date change 4 spoken word

>

><http://www.time.com/time/world/article/0,8599,1655415,00.html>http://www.time.com/time/world/article/0,8599,1655415,00.html

>

>

>

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>From: gathering-bounces at misera.net [ 

>mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net] On Behalf Of Stephen Lawrence

>Sent: Tuesday, 17 March 2009 22:31

>To: gathering at misera.net

>Subject: Re: [kj] FW: jaz date change 4 spoken word

>

>

>

>mankind has and continues to rule to the 

>detriment of others . Any leader showing 

>compassion is usually assassinated.Power 

>corrupts and usually those at the top are 

>moulded and coersed by the host of sychophants 

>and other manipulators who have thier own agenda 

>.  No doubt i will be scoffed and jeered at when 

>i say that mankind is incapable of looking after 

>himself and the world will only change for the 

>better when jesus comes to right the wrongs 

>...remember how they laughed at the people 

>attempting to make flight possible ...i rest my case

>

>

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>From: jelbod at hotmail.co.uk

>To: gathering at misera.net

>Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2009 19:01:15 +0000

>Subject: Re: [kj] FW: jaz date change 4 spoken word

>

>

>  and there has to a way to recall leaders when 

> they do try to climb above others...

>

>

>  Like a coup or an asassination? I wish i had 

> your faith, but 99% of the time, those that 

> rise to the top make damn sure they can stay 

> there. You can never stop those that wish to 

> suceed at the expense of others, "feather the 

> nest and fuck the rest" etc. The concept of a 

> council like the Roman senate was supposed to 

> keep things fair and right but ultimately 

> backhanders, coersion and corruption take over, 

> all to satisfy the greedy few, and those Wolves 

> ALWAYS come dressed in Sheeps clothing.

>

>Nah, i think i'l just stick to treating people 

>like i want to be treated myself and hope it eventually rubs off on everyone.

>

>Keep dreaming Jel.

>

>Over and out

>

>Jelski

>

>

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>From: gregslawson at msn.com

>To: gathering at misera.net

>Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2009 13:36:00 -0400

>Subject: Re: [kj] FW: jaz date change 4 spoken word

>

>That's the key--how to keep people from being 

>top of the pile and ripping others off. The 

>decision-making has to be collectivized and 

>people have to be accountable (the opposite of 

>the US bankers) and there has to a way to recall 

>leaders when they do try to climb above others...

>

>

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>From: jelbod at hotmail.co.uk

>To: gathering at misera.net

>Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2009 16:59:07 +0000

>Subject: Re: [kj] FW: jaz date change 4 spoken word

>

>(w/communist distribution of goods and services according to need).

>

>And WHO decides who needs what? There's always 

>someone at the top of the pile. Great in theory, sadly lacking in practice.

>

>  Jelski

>

>

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>From: gregslawson at msn.com

>To: gathering at misera.net

>Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2009 12:27:30 -0400

>Subject: Re: [kj] FW: jaz date change 4 spoken word

>

>Funny, the Progressive Labor Party advocates a 

>future revolutionary society in which we operate 

>without money! (w/communist distribution of 

>goods and services according to need). Maybe Jaz will join!

>

>

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>From: gasw30 at hotmail.com

>To: gathering at misera.net

>Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2009 16:19:35 +0000

>Subject: Re: [kj] FW: jaz date change 4 spoken word

>

>Presumably Jaz's talk will centre on his upcoming book:

>

>

>

> From Jaz's entry on the wikipedia site (I don't 

> think it's been mentioned here yet, but apols etc).

>

>

>

>Coleman is writing a book about permaculture, 

>free energy, freedom and freedom-loving 

>individuals. The main thesis is on how to 

>survive without money. The book will be divided 

>into two parts; one part concentrating on the 

>music and other on the ideas behind 

>it.<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jaz_Coleman#cite_note-9> 

><http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jaz_Coleman#cite_note-9>[10] 

>The book is planned to be published in 2009. 

><http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jaz_Coleman#cite_note-10>[11]

>

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>From: hollytree1961 at hotmail.com

>To: gathering at misera.net

>Date: Sun, 15 Mar 2009 19:09:36 +0000

>Subject: Re: [kj] FW: jaz date change 4 spoken word

>

>but bob we may not be able to contain laughter ;D)))

>

>i will ask as well for free,i dont care lol

>

>milindafgrant

>

>

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>From: bbarathy at btinternet.com

>To: gathering at misera.net

>Date: Sun, 15 Mar 2009 18:32:16 +0000

>Subject: Re: [kj] FW: jaz date change 4 spoken word

>

>If I go up then you're not allowed to snigger 

>behind me! Or blowpipe me in the back with chewed up paper

>

>

>

>boBToo

>

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>From: gathering-bounces at misera.net [ 

>mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net]On Behalf Of Phillipps Marc

>Sent: 13 March 2009 16:15

>To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)

>Subject: Re: [kj] FW: jaz date change 4 spoken word

> >part of what keeps us all interested.

>And constantly frustrated

>I have a crisp £5 note for the first person to 

>ask him about Gems of Power at the London do :o)

>Marc.

>

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