[kj] FW: jaz date change 4 spoken word

[Karen Weil]

Excellent points, Exor. What you describe is also just plain old human nature, in all its glory! ; ) 

G'day,

k.w. 
SoCal
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  Why should they?  And why should anyone have to "fit in" with everyone else?
  Are we not individuals. When you make groups, you create outcasts. You create an "us and them".
  There is already a divisiveness.

  Ever see a brilliant kid in class? Many troublemakers are smart brainy kids going out of their minds
  because of the dulness of the class. Their mind was racing ahead and the rest are trudging along at their own pace.

  Individual merit and competition can fuel ideas and are a great motivator. Once you bring in groups you bring in
  bureaucracies and everything gets muddled into one very slow machine.

  BTW, ever read Vladimir Voinovich?

  Alas, I think I am all out of witticisms today so I'll have to signoff without writing one.

  G'day Greg!

  At 10:06 AM 3/18/2009, GREG SLAWSON wrote:

    Why wouldn't they be able to? (See the movie "Witness" if you really think people can't cooperate). You always get a few who don't fit in with anyone else, but as a comrade once said "for the people who want to live in the woods all by themselves, we can figure out something for them too".
     

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    Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2009 09:53:00 -0400
    From: killingjoke at theimmortalfool.com
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    And what if one can't work cooperatively?

    At 09:54 PM 3/17/2009, GREG SLAWSON wrote:

      I agree Brenden, and for 2 reasons:

      1. Humans have thing called brains and can control their own behavior to an extent and

      2. Working cooperatively is the best way to go!

      Greg



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      From: bq at soundgardener.co.nz

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      Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2009 12:44:44 +1100

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      I read the other day that just over 50% of Americans donate time to volunteer causes, an average of 4.2 hours a week (sounds a little high to me but who knows.most countries are fucked up enough to need all the help they can get). So the idea that 'humans are inherently selfish,' that the corrupt will always end up in power.doesn't hold any water for me. In fact no other species really comes close to us in terms of our altruism and relationships.




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      From: gathering-bounces at misera.net [ mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net] On Behalf Of GREG SLAWSON

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      People are always willing to parrot plattitudes they've learned from anti-communist teachers, parents, etc., w/o really thinking about them. But in the US there is a nightly segment on nbc news about how, in the tough economy, there is an outpouring of people helping each other, doing things for free, giving more to the less fortunate, etc., w/o looking for any praise or payback. And don't forget that we've never lived in a time when poeple in power are prevented form being corrupt, so how can we know if everyone in power will automatically be corrupt?



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      Date: Tue, 17 Mar 2009 08:30:35 -0700

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      I find it interesting when some people term humanity as some form of parasite. Do these people include themselves in the analogy, or not? If yes, do they use the idea as some form of condonation for not giving a sh*t?

      There is a trend, particularly in industrial music, to adopt this idea....hell of a way to perpetuate the inert, or do they feel that they are in touch with the zeitgeist?




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      http://www.time.com/time/world/article/0,8599,1655415,00.html




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      mankind has and continues to rule to the detriment of others . Any leader showing compassion is usually assassinated.Power corrupts and usually those at the top are moulded and coersed by the host of sychophants and other manipulators who have thier own agenda .  No doubt i will be scoffed and jeered at when i say that mankind is incapable of looking after himself and the world will only change for the better when jesus comes to right the wrongs ...remember how they laughed at the people attempting to make flight possible ...i rest my case 



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       and there has to a way to recall leaders when they do try to climb above others...




       Like a coup or an asassination? I wish i had your faith, but 99% of the time, those that rise to the top make damn sure they can stay there. You can never stop those that wish to suceed at the expense of others, "feather the nest and fuck the rest" etc. The concept of a council like the Roman senate was supposed to keep things fair and right but ultimately backhanders, coersion and corruption take over, all to satisfy the greedy few, and those Wolves ALWAYS come dressed in Sheeps clothing.



      Nah, i think i'l just stick to treating people like i want to be treated myself and hope it eventually rubs off on everyone.



      Keep dreaming Jel.



      Over and out



      Jelski



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      From: gregslawson at msn.com

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      That's the key--how to keep people from being top of the pile and ripping others off. The decision-making has to be collectivized and people have to be accountable (the opposite of the US bankers) and there has to a way to recall leaders when they do try to climb above others...



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      From: jelbod at hotmail.co.uk

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      (w/communist distribution of goods and services according to need). 



      And WHO decides who needs what? There's always someone at the top of the pile. Great in theory, sadly lacking in practice.



       Jelski



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      From: gregslawson at msn.com

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      Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2009 12:27:30 -0400

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      Funny, the Progressive Labor Party advocates a future revolutionary society in which we operate without money! (w/communist distribution of goods and services according to need). Maybe Jaz will join!



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      Presumably Jaz's talk will centre on his upcoming book: 





      From Jaz's entry on the wikipedia site (I don't think it's been mentioned here yet, but apols etc).





      Coleman is writing a book about permaculture, free energy, freedom and freedom-loving individuals. The main thesis is on how to survive without money. The book will be divided into two parts; one part concentrating on the music and other on the ideas behind it. [10] The book is planned to be published in 2009. [11]

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      From: hollytree1961 at hotmail.com

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      Date: Sun, 15 Mar 2009 19:09:36 +0000

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      but bob we may not be able to contain laughter ;D)))



      i will ask as well for free,i dont care lol



      milindafgrant



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      From: bbarathy at btinternet.com

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      Date: Sun, 15 Mar 2009 18:32:16 +0000

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      If I go up then you're not allowed to snigger behind me! Or blowpipe me in the back with chewed up paper





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        From: gathering-bounces at misera.net [ mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net]On Behalf Of Phillipps Marc 
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        >part of what keeps us all interested. 
        And constantly frustrated 
        I have a crisp £5 note for the first person to ask him about Gems of Power at the London do :o) 
        Marc. 


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