[kj] FW: jaz date change 4 spoken word

[The Exorcist]

You're missing one thing. Ones inherent moral 
values should not dictate society.

As such, I don't smoke marijuana. I don't care 
for it and I have no interest in it and I have
some friend whose brains are basically one big pot plant.

However, I still think it's pointless and stupid 
to outlaw it. Because something is not to my liking
does not mean I have a right or a need to rid the world of it.

If I had a daughter and she ended up a prostitute 
I'd be very disappointed (to say the very least) and yes I would
wonder where I went wrong or what I did that she 
ended up as such. It still does not change my opinion on the
LAW that is imposed on others. If she became a 
prostitue, chances are she'd do it legally or Illegaly.

They are 2 separate entities and should be treated as such.

At 10:11 PM 3/18/2009, Brendan Quinn wrote:

>All the arguments I’ve had with people about 

>prostitution boiled down to this: Regardless of 

>the ‘no victim’, ‘oldest profession in the 

>book’ ‘consenting trade between adults’, 

>‘just making use of god given talents’ 

>stuff

ask yourself this. If your daughter ended 

>up as a prostitute, and be honest

aren’t you 

>gonna think you’ve fucked up somewhere along the line as a parent?

>

>It’s intriguing sometimes posing that one, you 

>see the inertia of someone trying not to have to 

>do a U-turn on an argument they thought they had 

>won based on logic, but forced to face the fact 

>that if you condone something for everyone, that 

>includes your (perhaps hypothetical) children as well.

>

>

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>From: gathering-bounces at misera.net 

>[mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net] On Behalf Of Karen Weil

>Sent: Thursday, 19 March 2009 11:01

>To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)

>Subject: Re: [kj] FW: jaz date change 4 spoken word

>

>I agree with you about the massage parlors issue 

>-- but don't waste your energy defending either 

>of those blowhards. Neither are deserving of it.

>And given that O'Reilly has written a book 

>called "Cultural Warrior," he *is* a hypocrite. 

>I couldn't care less about him (or the Fat One, 

>either -- who would be taken even less seriously 

>if he had the cajones to be a moral compass, 

>which is he is *not*) -- but had to point that out.

>

>Happy Wednesday,

>

>K.W.

>----- Original Message -----

>From: <mailto:killingjoke at theimmortalfool.com>The Exorcist

>To: <mailto:gathering at misera.net>A list about 

>all things Killing Joke (the band!)

>Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2009 4:30 PM

>Subject: Re: [kj] FW: jaz date change 4 spoken word

>

>Personally I support the concept of those 

>"Massage Parlors" as well as the legalizing of

>prostitution. If a man/woman wants to have sex 

>and someone is willing to pay, what the hell is the problem?

>It's all based on the "religious morality" there 

>is in essence nothing wrong with it.

>

>And why would you hope they get caught by such a 

>thing? In order to say "ohhhhhh you hypocrite" because

>you don't agree with them? (nor do I recall Rush 

>claiming to be a moral compass. Conservatism has many factions)

>What if they never get caught? That's just silly talk.

>

>Ever hear an smoker hacking his lungs out preach 

>to a youngin about not smoking?

>He might even do it while have a smoke, but it doesn't mean he is wrong.

>

>At 03:33 PM 3/18/2009, sade1 wrote:

>

> > but vs Bill O̢۪Reilly

.they they don̢۪t

> >

>TTrue, true. That bunch just cross my threshhold 

>of repugnance beyond which i just change the channel.

>

>I hope Billy O'Reilly and Rush Limbaugh both get "Punk'd" at some local

>"massage parlor" - but instead of Ashton Kutcher jumping out of the sauna

>saying "Punk'd" it should be New York 

>Atty.General 

><http://www.thecronline.com/uploads/magart_images/Andrew-Cuomo2%5b1%5d.JPG>Andy 

>Cuomo with arrest warrants and subpoenas.

>

>

>... ... ... ... ... ...

>

>[looking at the current state of things..]

>

>'Save me...

>   save me from Tomorrow..

>     I don't want to sail in this Ship Of Fools...'

>

>

>

>

>From: Brendan Quinn <bq at soundgardener.co.nz>

>To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!) <gathering at misera.net>

>Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2009 8:55:20 PM

>Subject: Re: [kj] FW: jaz date change 4 spoken word

>

>Okay The View is lame (today they were harping 

>on about how great Michael Jackson is) – but vs 

>Bill O̢۪Reillly

.they they don̢۪t invite e 

>‘guests’ on, shout at them, them, over 

>them, turn their mic off, throw them off, misrepresent what they said



>

>

>

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>From: gathering-bounces at misera.net [ 

>mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net] On Behalf Of sade1

>Sent: Wednesday, 18 March 2009 13:21

>To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)

>Subject: Re: [kj] FW: jaz date change 4 spoken word

>

>

>

> > Does the US left have any figures as 

> repugnant as Bill O̢۪Reilly, Coulter, and d Rush Limbaugh?

>

>

>

>right off the top of me head, theres,

>

>  - Keith Olbermann, as of when he finally 

> flipped his lid (after apparently straining and bruising the left half of his

>

>    brain?), and

>

>  - The Four Clowns on The View (Whoopi, Joy, 

> Sheri "I do Believe the Earth is flat"[wtf?], and Barbara Walters)

>

>                          who, appropriately 

> enough, always sit to the left of the table.

>

>  - Rosie O'Donnell (oh god..where does one start?)

>

>  - Reverend Al Sharpton, (racist, divisive social parasite leeching his own)

>

>  - Eleanor Clift (a sycophant par excellence)

>

>

>

>

>

>... ... ... ... ... ...

>

>

>[looking at the current state of things..]

>

>

>

>'Save me...

>

>   save me from Tomorrow..

>

>     I don't want to sail in this Ship Of Fools...'

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>From: Brendan Quinn < bq at soundgardener.co.nz >

>To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!) <gathering at misera.net>

>Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2009 6:53:58 PM

>Subject: Re: [kj] FW: jaz date change 4 spoken word

>

>Haha

itâ€â„¬â„¢s ccertainly trying times for capitalism.

>

>

>

>Side note: Does the US left have any figures as 

>repugnant as Bill O̢۪Reilly, Coulter, and d 

>Rush Limbaugh? They̢۪re practically 

>intolerable, e, and why anyone still listens to 

>them in the current climate is beyond me.

>

>

>

>

>

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>From: gathering-bounces at misera.net [ 

>mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net] On Behalf Of sade1

>Sent: Wednesday, 18 March 2009 06:46

>To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)

>Subject: Re: [kj] FW: jaz date change 4 spoken word

>

>

>

>For those who, um, dress to the political Left and the people

>

>who love them, I just saw this in today's news..

>

>

>

>"It's too bad Marxists don't believe in god. Otherwise they'd be thanking

>

>him for having sent A.I.G. down to earth to destroy capitalism."

>

>  ~~  Economics and law Professor William K. Black,

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>... ... ... ... ... ...

>

>

>[looking at the current state of things..]

>

>

>

>'Save me...

>

>   save me from Tomorrow..

>

>     I don't want to sail in this Ship Of Fools...'

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>From: GREG SLAWSON < gregslawson at msn.com >

>To: gathering <gathering at misera.net>

>Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2009 9:30:59 AM

>Subject: Re: [kj] FW: jaz date change 4 spoken word

>

>People are always willing to parrot plattitudes 

>they've learned from anti-communist teachers, 

>parents, etc., w/o really thinking about them. 

>But in the US there is a nightly segment on nbc 

>news about how, in the tough economy, there is 

>an outpouring of people helping each other, 

>doing things for free, giving more to the less 

>fortunate, etc., w/o looking for any praise or 

>payback. And don't forget that we've never lived 

>in a time when poeple in power are prevented 

>form being corrupt, so how can we know if 

>everyone in power will automatically be corrupt?

>

>

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>From: folk.devil at hotmail.com

>To: gathering at misera.net

>Date: Tue, 17 Mar 2009 08:30:35 -0700

>Subject: Re: [kj] FW: jaz date change 4 spoken word

>

>I find it interesting when some people term 

>humanity as some form of parasite. Do these 

>people include themselves in the analogy, or 

>not? If yes, do they use the idea as some form 

>of condonation for not giving a sh*t?

>There is a trend, particularly in industrial 

>music, to adopt this idea....hell of a way to 

>perpetuate the inert, or do they feel that they 

>are in touch with the zeitgeist?

>

>

>

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>From: bq at soundgardener.co.nz

>To: gathering at misera.net

>Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2009 01:22:44 +1100

>Subject: Re: [kj] FW: jaz date change 4 spoken word

>

><http://www.time.com/time/world/article/0,8599,1655415,00.html>http://www.time.com/time/world/article/0,8599,1655415,00.html

>

>

>

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>From: gathering-bounces at misera.net [ 

>mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net] On Behalf Of Stephen Lawrence

>Sent: Tuesday, 17 March 2009 22:31

>To: gathering at misera.net

>Subject: Re: [kj] FW: jaz date change 4 spoken word

>

>

>

>mankind has and continues to rule to the 

>detriment of others . Any leader showing 

>compassion is usually assassinated.Power 

>corrupts and usually those at the top are 

>moulded and coersed by the host of sychophants 

>and other manipulators who have thier own agenda 

>.  No doubt i will be scoffed and jeered at when 

>i say that mankind is incapable of looking after 

>himself and the world will only change for the 

>better when jesus comes to right the wrongs 

>...remember how they laughed at the people 

>attempting to make flight possible ...i rest my case

>

>

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>From: jelbod at hotmail.co.uk

>To: gathering at misera.net

>Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2009 19:01:15 +0000

>Subject: Re: [kj] FW: jaz date change 4 spoken word

>

>

>  and there has to a way to recall leaders when 

> they do try to climb above others...

>

>

>  Like a coup or an asassination? I wish i had 

> your faith, but 99% of the time, those that 

> rise to the top make damn sure they can stay 

> there. You can never stop those that wish to 

> suceed at the expense of others, "feather the 

> nest and fuck the rest" etc. The concept of a 

> council like the Roman senate was supposed to 

> keep things fair and right but ultimately 

> backhanders, coersion and corruption take over, 

> all to satisfy the greedy few, and those Wolves 

> ALWAYS come dressed in Sheeps clothing.

>

>Nah, i think i'l just stick to treating people 

>like i want to be treated myself and hope it eventually rubs off on everyone.

>

>Keep dreaming Jel.

>

>Over and out

>

>Jelski

>

>

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>From: gregslawson at msn.com

>To: gathering at misera.net

>Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2009 13:36:00 -0400

>Subject: Re: [kj] FW: jaz date change 4 spoken word

>

>That's the key--how to keep people from being 

>top of the pile and ripping others off. The 

>decision-making has to be collectivized and 

>people have to be accountable (the opposite of 

>the US bankers) and there has to a way to recall 

>leaders when they do try to climb above others...

>

>

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>From: jelbod at hotmail.co.uk

>To: gathering at misera.net

>Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2009 16:59:07 +0000

>Subject: Re: [kj] FW: jaz date change 4 spoken word

>

>(w/communist distribution of goods and services according to need).

>

>And WHO decides who needs what? There's always 

>someone at the top of the pile. Great in theory, sadly lacking in practice.

>

>  Jelski

>

>

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>From: gregslawson at msn.com

>To: gathering at misera.net

>Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2009 12:27:30 -0400

>Subject: Re: [kj] FW: jaz date change 4 spoken word

>

>Funny, the Progressive Labor Party advocates a 

>future revolutionary society in which we operate 

>without money! (w/communist distribution of 

>goods and services according to need). Maybe Jaz will join!

>

>

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>From: gasw30 at hotmail.com

>To: gathering at misera.net

>Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2009 16:19:35 +0000

>Subject: Re: [kj] FW: jaz date change 4 spoken word

>

>Presumably Jaz's talk will centre on his upcoming book:

>

>

>

> From Jaz's entry on the wikipedia site (I don't 

> think it's been mentioned here yet, but apols etc).

>

>

>

>Coleman is writing a book about permaculture, 

>free energy, freedom and freedom-loving 

>individuals. The main thesis is on how to 

>survive without money. The book will be divided 

>into two parts; one part concentrating on the 

>music and other on the ideas behind 

>it.<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jaz_Coleman#cite_note-9> 

><http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jaz_Coleman#cite_note-9>[10] 

>The book is planned to be published in 2009. 

><http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jaz_Coleman#cite_note-10>[11]

>

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>From: hollytree1961 at hotmail.com

>To: gathering at misera.net

>Date: Sun, 15 Mar 2009 19:09:36 +0000

>Subject: Re: [kj] FW: jaz date change 4 spoken word

>

>but bob we may not be able to contain laughter ;D)))

>

>i will ask as well for free,i dont care lol

>

>milindafgrant

>

>

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>From: bbarathy at btinternet.com

>To: gathering at misera.net

>Date: Sun, 15 Mar 2009 18:32:16 +0000

>Subject: Re: [kj] FW: jaz date change 4 spoken word

>

>If I go up then you're not allowed to snigger 

>behind me! Or blowpipe me in the back with chewed up paper

>

>

>

>boBToo

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>-----Original Message-----

>From: gathering-bounces at misera.net [ 

>mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net]On Behalf Of Phillipps Marc

>Sent: 13 March 2009 16:15

>To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)

>Subject: Re: [kj] FW: jaz date change 4 spoken word

> >part of what keeps us all interested.

>And constantly frustrated

>I have a crisp £5 note for the first person 

>to ask him about Gems of Power at the London do :o)

>Marc.

>

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