[kj] FW: jaz date change 4 spoken word

[The Exorcist]

Now I am Peter?

Greg you amaze me! At the risk of being a hypocrite, I'll say the following.
You truly might be a tad dense. (I pray it's not more)

And once again, you can't answer anything. (Open a US history textbook?)
You just throw out random crap in the hope that something will stick.

You my dear friend are an empty rattle.

Manipulate? Here is the body of the message.
"Yeah, and I have several friends in Boston (US), 
usually considered a pretty rich town, that can't 
pay their bills, can't buy new clothes, live in 
shitty places, and in some cases run out of food 
money. The fact is that Peter West is a follower 
of some kind of Libertarian or Objectivist 
ideology, or is just a foolish, angry 
right-winger. Plus he has psychological issues 
and just likes to piss people off. But it's good 
that on this list we stand up to the few 
right-wingers--the only way to deal with their 
ideas is to crush them. And given the current 
state of the world (wars, growing poverty and disease) we must do just that!"

Did you ever wonder that the idea of standing up 
to "the few" on an EMAIL LIST sounds a bit silly?
Especially when it refers to an ideological difference.

Anyway, it's been (not) fun. I am severely disappointed.

You've proven yourself to be empty, repetitive, 
ignorant of facts, unable to prove anything,
and incapable of original thought.

I think I've wasted too much time on you.

Sincerely,
Not Pete


At 08:51 AM 3/20/2009, GREG SLAWSON wrote:

>I remember writing that quote! But Peter, you 

>can't even accept something as basic as the fact 

>that the Republican party is now much different 

>(open a US history textbook!) that you have to 

>drudge out old quotes and try to manipulate them 

>to sound wiser than all! You're really an funny dude...

>

>

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>Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2009 19:32:42 -0400

>From: killingjoke at theimmortalfool.com

>To: gathering at misera.net

>Subject: Re: [kj] FW: jaz date change 4 spoken word

>

>Before I go on. I'd just like to ask you a few things.

>

>At what point (according to you) does the "early 1900's"  end.

>If you're saying that the party is much 

>different, kindly provide some reasoning behind your statements.

>(Not that I agree or disagree. But having a 

>frame of reference would allow me to respond in kind.)

>

>Rather than name calling and saying "No you're 

>wrong" why not say something a tad more substantive?

>(Without quoting any Marxian wisdom if possible. 

>Original thought gives you bonus points! Not all thoughts

>need to come from a collective manifesto.)

>

>And now for a most lovely quote: (Guess which famous person said this)

>"But it's good that on this list we stand up to 

>the few right-wingers--the only way to deal with their ideas is to crush them."

>

>I can see myself atop a hill with the Red flag fluttering madly in the wind.

>The sky is dark and overcast, the masses are cold and shivering.

>But NO! We will not leave. We will stand up and FIGHT FIGHT FIGHT!!!

>The sentiment flows through me like the Vodka Volga river when the snow melts.

>(and yes I know of your argument about Russia being fake/corrupt Communism)

>The orator is shouting madly but I can't hear a 

>thing because the wind is whipping

>out his words as if the wind itself wants to join the struggle.

>It doesn't matter, I don't need to know what he says.

>Look at that passion! Look at the emotion! Look 

>at his eyes bulging and veins popping out!

>It is as if the presence of God itself has 

>descended into this master of words.

>(Well, if there was such a thing as god. Don't 

>worry my fellow Comrades, if God ever shows its 

>face we shall crush it as well!)

>We shall crush all those in our way in order to 

>show them what true tolerance, humility,

>humanity and life is all about.

>OURS IS THE ONLY WAY....

>

>

>At 10:38 AM 3/19/2009, GREG SLAWSON wrote:

>The modern Republican (US) party is much 

>different than the one of the late 1800s/early 

>1900s, you knumbskull. But your point near the 

>end of the post about AIG bonuses being a spit in the bucket is spot on!

>

>

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>Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2009 02:27:12 -0400

>From: killingjoke at theimmortalfool.com

>To: gathering at misera.net

>Subject: Re: [kj] FW: jaz date change 4 spoken word

>

>Altruism is as much a personal ideology (if not 

>more) than a political ideology.

>As a personal ideal I can see the merits. As a 

>political, it becomes an entirely different creature.

>

>You attack republicans yet it was the Republican 

>party that fought to get rid of slavery.

>They were the first to ban slavery despite the Democrats opposition.

>The republicans passed the First Civil Rights act in 1875.

>

>Here is some info for you to chew on.

>----------------------------------------------

>"The Civil Rights Act (1875) was introduced to 

>Congress by Charles Sumner and Benjamin Butler 

>in 1870 but did not become law until 1st March, 

>1875. It promised that all persons, regardless 

>of race, color, or previous condition, was 

>entitled to full and equal employment of 

>accommodation in "inns, public conveyances on 

>land or water, theaters, and other places of public amusement."

>

>In 1883 the Supreme Court declared the act as 

>unconstitutional and asserted that Congress did 

>not have the power to regulate the conduct and transactions of individuals."

>

>Many of the provisions that were later passed in 

>the 1960's were taken from the original act.

>And this was only accomplished after overcoming a Democrat filibuster.

>Here are the yea-nea

>Democratic Party: 152-96   (61%-39%)

>Republican Party: 138-34   (80%-20%)

>

>The Senate version:

>Democratic Party: 46-21   (69%-31%)

>Republican Party: 27-6   (82%-18%)

>

>The Senate version, voted on by the House:

>Democratic Party: 153-91   (63%-37%)

>Republican Party: 136-35   (80%-20%)

>

>Republicans led the fight for women’s rights, 

>and most suffragists were Republicans. In fact, 

>Susan B. Anthony bragged about how, after voting 

>(illegally) in 1872, she had voted a straight 

>Republican ticket. The suffragists included two 

>African-American women who were also co-founders 

>of the NAACP: Ida Wells and Mary Terrell, Republicans, both of them.

>

>Republican Senator Aaron Sargent wrote the 

>women’s suffrage amendment in 1878,though it 

>would not be passed by Congress until 

>Republicans again won control of both houses 40 

>years later. It was in 1916 that the first woman 

>was elected to the U.S. House of 

>Representatives, Republican Jeannette Rankin. 

>The first woman mayor was elected in 1926, the 

>Honorable Bertha Landes of Seattle, another Republican.

>

>The KKK was from the Democrat wing and attacked 

>many republicans (not to mention all the others they bore hatred for).

>

>It was the party that made it possible for Obama to be where he is today.

>----------------------------------------------

>

>I hate gaudy shopping malls, I hate annoying ads 

>and I hate lots of shit out there. I can't stand 

>the radio for the most part either.

>I lament everyday the loss of the vibe that NYC 

>once had and is now a yuppified condo filled 

>blob of land. I don't own ANY designer

>brand name shirts, pants, socks, belts etc...

>

>"All the millions of ppl. trudging to work everyday to a job they hate."

>Ahhhhh, so there should be no work? Would it be 

>ok to say at least they HAVE jobs and some sort of income?

>Do we have to enjoy everything in life? Are we 

>all just gonna sit around in dance and song and advance, grow healthier,

>more educated, watch as food miraculously pops 

>into our mouths while we lose the need for malaria shots?

>In the US one of the biggest issues of the poor 

>and under privileged is OBESITY. Imagine that!

>

>Is that cloud of doom you see because of shitty 

>jobs or is it becomes lives today have nothing to strive for and are

>empty and meaningless. Are all these faces only in "Capitalist countries"?

>

>I think my mother who came from Russia would 

>have quite a different opinion than you and would probably be able to give

>you some insight how it was to live as a Jew 

>under the Russian communist rule. (in whatever form you care to call it)

>

>"Political lobbying by vested interests": That 

>applies to all parties throughout time. If you think this is a trade unique to

>Capitalism, you are sadly very mistaken.

>

>"People think they are better than other ppl. 

>based on income bracket": Once again, that is 

>not a Capitalist creation, nor a Republican

>nor a Democrat, nor Communist, nor Marxist, nor 

>Trostskyite, nor Bolshevik.... I hope you get the point by now.

>

>"Plastic pieces of shit": I hate that as well 

>and I am quite picky with what I purchase. You 

>get what you pay for. If you don't like it

>don't buy it. If you don't buy it they won't 

>make it (unless the Gov't/Nancy Pelosi/Obama 

>forces the car manufacturers to make more green

>cars that no one seems to be buying). Did you 

>ever think that the little plastic piece of shit 

>can actually bring joy to a poor family who can't

>afford anything quite grandiose?

>

>You might say "ahhh those filthy Capitalist 

>pigs, they're just brainwashing the kids with 

>all those toys and garbage." the poor parent might

>see it as "geee, my kids friend has an Ipod and 

>can listen to music all the time but I can't 

>afford to get one for my kid, well at least I can get

>my child some other sort of player."

>

>Excused me, no one is being forced to do 

>anything. At least not in the US. What exactly 

>IS a soulful job? What exactly are we

>supposed to be seeing/doing? You've yet to describe that.

>

>Capitalism took a small country and turned it 

>into a megapower faster than any other nation. 

>Everything has it's faults and everything

>can be exploited. You seem to not grasp this 

>idea and just focus on your bloodlust for 

>"Capitalism". There ought to be checks and

>balances with proper implementation, when it's 

>not there... People get corrupt. It's everywhere buddy.

>

>Another little heads up, Most conservative 

>republicans (and Democrats) were against the 

>bail out, still are against the bailout.

>All the masses of cash flowing is coming from 

>Senior Obama. I love it how people are all 

>shouting bloody murder about the 165 Million "Bonus"

>that AIG is giving out while that is a SPIT in 

>the bucket compared to how our Gov't just totally ass raped us!

>

>Other than trying to catch up with religion in 

>the amount of people killed and tortured in the 

>name of "ideals" and having books banned,

>censored, and people exiled. I can't quite bring 

>to mind any great additions to society that have come from Marxist ideals.

>

>Next time you feel like saying the word 

>"Republican" with venom I hope the short (but 

>lengthy for an Email) quick recap of the

>"Republicans" comes to mind.

>

>

>At 11:44 PM 3/18/2009, Brendan Quinn wrote:

>Most sane people wouldn’t claim that altruism is 

>a trait exclusive to one political ideology, I 

>wouldn’t bother continuing a conversation with 

>anyone that did – what’s the point?

>

>I just dunno how anyone could defend modern 

>capitalism – gaudy shopping malls, whole 

>neighbourhoods full of soulless advertising 

>that’s impossible to avoid (yes, I’ve been to 

>LA

some parts of it gave me the total shits), 

>cynical advertising steered by psychologists, 

>aimed at kids, selling unnatural chemical 

>concoctions as ‘food’, all the millions of 

>people trudging to work every day at a job they 

>hate (I’m so glad I don’t have to take the bus 

>in to work in the mornings anymore because the 

>cloud of doom amongst the condemned is 

>depressing

), political (monetary) lobbying by 

>powerful vested interests, people thinking they 

>are better than other people because of their 

>income bracket, planned obsolescence, plastic 

>pieces of shit that don’t last 3 months, 

>landfill full of heavy metals

Republicans


>

>People being FORCED to help out is NOT acceptable.

>

>People being forced to work 40 hours a week at 

>soulless jobs isn’t a great state of affairs 

>either, being forced to put up with pollution, 

>rampant destruction of natural resources, 

>getting one vote every 4 years that means 

>practically nothing in the scheme of things, 

>getting ripped off by corporations and then 

>expected to pay to bail them out

etc etc.

>

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