[kj] FW: jaz date change 4 spoken word

[Darren A. Peace]

ROFL.

 

I think being accused of being Pete is one of the most extreme insults we
can throw here. Your indignation is entirely warranted, in my view. It's
happened to me once or twice, and it's eviscerating.

 

Darren

Hungerford, UK

 

From: gathering-bounces at misera.net [mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net] On
Behalf Of The Exorcist
Sent: 20 March 2009 14:40
To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)
Subject: Re: [kj] FW: jaz date change 4 spoken word

 

Now I am Peter?

Greg you amaze me! At the risk of being a hypocrite, I'll say the following.
You truly might be a tad dense. (I pray it's not more)

And once again, you can't answer anything. (Open a US history textbook?)
You just throw out random crap in the hope that something will stick.

You my dear friend are an empty rattle.

Manipulate? Here is the body of the message.
"Yeah, and I have several friends in Boston (US), usually considered a
pretty rich town, that can't pay their bills, can't buy new clothes, live in
shitty places, and in some cases run out of food money. The fact is that
Peter West is a follower of some kind of Libertarian or Objectivist
ideology, or is just a foolish, angry right-winger. Plus he has
psychological issues and just likes to piss people off. But it's good that
on this list we stand up to the few right-wingers--the only way to deal with
their ideas is to crush them. And given the current state of the world
(wars, growing poverty and disease) we must do just that!"

Did you ever wonder that the idea of standing up to "the few" on an EMAIL
LIST sounds a bit silly?
Especially when it refers to an ideological difference.

Anyway, it's been (not) fun. I am severely disappointed.

You've proven yourself to be empty, repetitive, ignorant of facts, unable to
prove anything,
and incapable of original thought.

I think I've wasted too much time on you.

Sincerely,
Not Pete


At 08:51 AM 3/20/2009, GREG SLAWSON wrote:



I remember writing that quote! But Peter, you can't even accept something as
basic as the fact that the Republican party is now much different (open a US
history textbook!) that you have to drudge out old quotes and try to
manipulate them to sound wiser than all! You're really an funny dude...
 

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Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2009 19:32:42 -0400
From: killingjoke at theimmortalfool.com
To: gathering at misera.net
Subject: Re: [kj] FW: jaz date change 4 spoken word

Before I go on. I'd just like to ask you a few things. 

At what point (according to you) does the "early 1900's"  end.
If you're saying that the party is much different, kindly provide some
reasoning behind your statements.
(Not that I agree or disagree. But having a frame of reference would allow
me to respond in kind.)

Rather than name calling and saying "No you're wrong" why not say something
a tad more substantive?
(Without quoting any Marxian wisdom if possible. Original thought gives you
bonus points! Not all thoughts
need to come from a collective manifesto.)

And now for a most lovely quote: (Guess which famous person said this)
"But it's good that on this list we stand up to the few right-wingers--the
only way to deal with their ideas is to crush them."

I can see myself atop a hill with the Red flag fluttering madly in the wind.
The sky is dark and overcast, the masses are cold and shivering.
But NO! We will not leave. We will stand up and FIGHT FIGHT FIGHT!!!
The sentiment flows through me like the Vodka Volga river when the snow
melts.
(and yes I know of your argument about Russia being fake/corrupt Communism)
The orator is shouting madly but I can't hear a thing because the wind is
whipping
out his words as if the wind itself wants to join the struggle.
It doesn't matter, I don't need to know what he says.
Look at that passion! Look at the emotion! Look at his eyes bulging and
veins popping out!
It is as if the presence of God itself has descended into this master of
words. 
(Well, if there was such a thing as god. Don't worry my fellow Comrades, if
God ever shows its face we shall crush it as well!)
We shall crush all those in our way in order to show them what true
tolerance, humility,
humanity and life is all about. 
OURS IS THE ONLY WAY....


At 10:38 AM 3/19/2009, GREG SLAWSON wrote:

The modern Republican (US) party is much different than the one of the late
1800s/early 1900s, you knumbskull. But your point near the end of the post
about AIG bonuses being a spit in the bucket is spot on!

 

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Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2009 02:27:12 -0400

From: killingjoke at theimmortalfool.com

To: gathering at misera.net

Subject: Re: [kj] FW: jaz date change 4 spoken word

Altruism is as much a personal ideology (if not more) than a political
ideology.

As a personal ideal I can see the merits. As a political, it becomes an
entirely different creature.

You attack republicans yet it was the Republican party that fought to get
rid of slavery.

They were the first to ban slavery despite the Democrats opposition.

The republicans passed the First Civil Rights act in 1875.

Here is some info for you to chew on.

----------------------------------------------

"The Civil Rights Act (1875) was introduced to Congress by Charles Sumner
and Benjamin Butler in 1870 but did not become law until 1st March, 1875. It
promised that all persons, regardless of race, color, or previous condition,
was entitled to full and equal employment of accommodation in "inns, public
conveyances on land or water, theaters, and other places of public
amusement." 

In 1883 the Supreme Court declared the act as unconstitutional and asserted
that Congress did not have the power to regulate the conduct and
transactions of individuals."

Many of the provisions that were later passed in the 1960's were taken from
the original act.

And this was only accomplished after overcoming a Democrat filibuster.

Here are the yea-nea

Democratic Party: 152-96   (61%-39%)

Republican Party: 138-34   (80%-20%)

The Senate version:

Democratic Party: 46-21   (69%-31%)

Republican Party: 27-6   (82%-18%)

The Senate version, voted on by the House:

Democratic Party: 153-91   (63%-37%)

Republican Party: 136-35   (80%-20%)

Republicans led the fight for women's rights, and most suffragists were
Republicans. In fact, Susan B. Anthony bragged about how, after voting
(illegally) in 1872, she had voted a straight Republican ticket. The
suffragists included two African-American women who were also co-founders of
the NAACP: Ida Wells and Mary Terrell, Republicans, both of them.

Republican Senator Aaron Sargent wrote the women's suffrage amendment in
1878,though it would not be passed by Congress until Republicans again won
control of both houses 40 years later. It was in 1916 that the first woman
was elected to the U.S. House of Representatives, Republican Jeannette
Rankin. The first woman mayor was elected in 1926, the Honorable Bertha
Landes of Seattle, another Republican.      

The KKK was from the Democrat wing and attacked many republicans (not to
mention all the others they bore hatred for).

It was the party that made it possible for Obama to be where he is today.

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I hate gaudy shopping malls, I hate annoying ads and I hate lots of shit out
there. I can't stand the radio for the most part either.

I lament everyday the loss of the vibe that NYC once had and is now a
yuppified condo filled blob of land. I don't own ANY designer

brand name shirts, pants, socks, belts etc... 

"All the millions of ppl. trudging to work everyday to a job they hate."

Ahhhhh, so there should be no work? Would it be ok to say at least they HAVE
jobs and some sort of income?

Do we have to enjoy everything in life? Are we all just gonna sit around in
dance and song and advance, grow healthier,

more educated, watch as food miraculously pops into our mouths while we lose
the need for malaria shots? 

In the US one of the biggest issues of the poor and under privileged is
OBESITY. Imagine that! 

Is that cloud of doom you see because of shitty jobs or is it becomes lives
today have nothing to strive for and are 

empty and meaningless. Are all these faces only in "Capitalist countries"?

I think my mother who came from Russia would have quite a different opinion
than you and would probably be able to give

you some insight how it was to live as a Jew under the Russian communist
rule. (in whatever form you care to call it)

"Political lobbying by vested interests": That applies to all parties
throughout time. If you think this is a trade unique to

Capitalism, you are sadly very mistaken. 

"People think they are better than other ppl. based on income bracket": Once
again, that is not a Capitalist creation, nor a Republican

nor a Democrat, nor Communist, nor Marxist, nor Trostskyite, nor
Bolshevik.... I hope you get the point by now.

"Plastic pieces of shit": I hate that as well and I am quite picky with what
I purchase. You get what you pay for. If you don't like it

don't buy it. If you don't buy it they won't make it (unless the Gov't/Nancy
Pelosi/Obama forces the car manufacturers to make more green

cars that no one seems to be buying). Did you ever think that the little
plastic piece of shit can actually bring joy to a poor family who can't

afford anything quite grandiose?

You might say "ahhh those filthy Capitalist pigs, they're just brainwashing
the kids with all those toys and garbage." the poor parent might 

see it as "geee, my kids friend has an Ipod and can listen to music all the
time but I can't afford to get one for my kid, well at least I can get 

my child some other sort of player."

Excused me, no one is being forced to do anything. At least not in the US.
What exactly IS a soulful job? What exactly are we

supposed to be seeing/doing? You've yet to describe that. 

Capitalism took a small country and turned it into a megapower faster than
any other nation. Everything has it's faults and everything

can be exploited. You seem to not grasp this idea and just focus on your
bloodlust for "Capitalism". There ought to be checks and

balances with proper implementation, when it's not there... People get
corrupt. It's everywhere buddy.

Another little heads up, Most conservative republicans (and Democrats) were
against the bail out, still are against the bailout.

All the masses of cash flowing is coming from Senior Obama. I love it how
people are all shouting bloody murder about the 165 Million "Bonus"

that AIG is giving out while that is a SPIT in the bucket compared to how
our Gov't just totally ass raped us!

Other than trying to catch up with religion in the amount of people killed
and tortured in the name of "ideals" and having books banned,

censored, and people exiled. I can't quite bring to mind any great additions
to society that have come from Marxist ideals.

Next time you feel like saying the word "Republican" with venom I hope the
short (but lengthy for an Email) quick recap of the

"Republicans" comes to mind.



At 11:44 PM 3/18/2009, Brendan Quinn wrote: 

Most sane people wouldn't claim that altruism is a trait exclusive to one
political ideology, I wouldn't bother continuing a conversation with anyone
that did - what's the point? 

  

I just dunno how anyone could defend modern capitalism - gaudy shopping
malls, whole neighbourhoods full of soulless advertising that's impossible
to avoid (yes, I've been to LA.some parts of it gave me the total shits),
cynical advertising steered by psychologists, aimed at kids, selling
unnatural chemical concoctions as 'food', all the millions of people
trudging to work every day at a job they hate (I'm so glad I don't have to
take the bus in to work in the mornings anymore because the cloud of doom
amongst the condemned is depressing.), political (monetary) lobbying by
powerful vested interests, people thinking they are better than other people
because of their income bracket, planned obsolescence, plastic pieces of
shit that don't last 3 months, landfill full of heavy metals.Republicans. 

  

People being FORCED to help out is NOT acceptable. 

  

People being forced to work 40 hours a week at soulless jobs isn't a great
state of affairs either, being forced to put up with pollution, rampant
destruction of natural resources, getting one vote every 4 years that means
practically nothing in the scheme of things, getting ripped off by
corporations and then expected to pay to bail them out.etc etc. 

  

 

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