[kj] OT-ish: Top10 ConspiracyTheories(one ofJaz's faves is on here)

[bongo]

fuck the christian minifesto, i speak in non-denominational truths! (or
orbits there-of)

=)




On Sun, May 31, 2009 at 2:23 PM, Stephen Lawrence <stephen.l at live.com>wrote:


> well said bongo

> you are aware that you are voicing the christian manifesto aren't you ?

> the trouble is mankind is inherently selfish and ready to believe political

> lies about other nations who don't do themselves any favours with the way

> some individuals act especially thier political systems

>

> ------------------------------

> Date: Sun, 31 May 2009 14:16:30 +1200

> From: humanhybrid666 at gmail.com

> To: gathering at misera.net

>

> Subject: Re: [kj] OT-ish: Top10 ConspiracyTheories(one ofJaz's faves is on

> here)

>

> i truly believe, that until we are our brothers keeper, we will not know

> peace on earth...

> we must look after one another, no matter what colour or beliefs we may

> hold...

> they planet will always have constantly moving arible (sp?) area's, and

> when some place dries up, the people must be made welcome where there is

> plenty.  i'm too simplisticly idealist i know, but surely this is obvious to

> all?

> meh, pass the bong.........

>

> On Sun, May 31, 2009 at 2:12 PM, Brendan Quinn <bq at soundgardener.co.nz>wrote:

>

>  Kinison was the one who introduced me to that via a pretty hilarious

> rant, but there’s more to it than just living in the desert. They have so

> many other problems now, constant wars, AIDS, exploitation by foreign powers

> etc.

>

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> *From:* gathering-bounces at misera.net [mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net]

> *On Behalf Of *GREG SLAWSON

> *Sent:* Sunday, 31 May 2009 12:04 p.m.

> *To:* gathering

> *Subject:* Re: [kj] OT-ish: Top10 ConspiracyTheories(one ofJaz's faves is

> on here)

>

> True those "in the desert" govenments are some of the worst in the world.

> However many Americans falsely believe that we funnel tons of $ into the

> Third World and get nothing in return. The opposite is actually true. The

> relatively tiny crumbs we toss them in international relief, etc. in small

> compared to the much larger amounts we steal from their countries. It's

> called Imperialism and it happens in 3 main ways--stealing or almost

> stealing their raw materials (which Africa and the Middle East are rich in),

> forcing their workers to work for our companies for dirt wages, and forcing

> them to buy our products at an unfair price (or just driving their local

> businesses out by under-pricing them). Most of the starvation in places

> like Africa (and the local wars too--there was always one group of warlords

> in Somalia supported by the US) have their roots in exploitation from the US

> and Europe.

> PS I can tell you've heard the Sam Kinison routine!

>

>  ------------------------------

>

> From: bq at soundgardener.co.nz

> To: gathering at misera.net

> Date: Sun, 31 May 2009 11:56:57 +1000

> Subject: Re: [kj] OT-ish: Top 10 ConspiracyTheories(one ofJaz's faves is on

> here)

>

> *not to mention the 26,000 people a day or whatever the # is who die from

> starvation, diarreah, and other easily preventable causeses, and the list

> goes on... *

>

> No one’s ever given me a decent explanation as to why we are expected to

> help support people who live in the desert, who don’t have the means to live

> there, who procreate like crazy, have huge AIDS infection rates, and who are

> plagued by warlords causing havoc, constantly causing huge population

> migrations of refugees, that decimate the local environment and set back the

> agriculture efforts of the entire continent…

>

> All the Geldof inspired billions that has flowed into the African continent

> since 1986, and the place is worse off. I’ve often thought of sending money

> to those charities, but why bother? None of it seems to have done any good.

> My point is not that I don’t feel bad about the whole situation, but if you

> want to help you have to address all of the issues, not just throw money

> into humanitarian aid. It’s wasted if you don’t clean up the warlords, sort

> out irrigation, population growth etc.

>

> Look at Australia. Wealthy nation, huge country / continent, but NO ONE

> LIVES IN THE MIDDLE COS IT’S A DESERT.

>

>  ------------------------------

> *From:* gathering-bounces at misera.net [mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net]

> *On Behalf Of *GREG SLAWSON

> *Sent:* Sunday, 31 May 2009 11:44 a.m.

> *To:* gathering

> *Subject:* Re: [kj] OT-ish: Top 10 ConspiracyTheories(one ofJaz's faves is

> on here)

>

> Of course killing people is never a good thing (well, maybe except in the

> case of some of the 80s "new romantic" bands). But nothing can compare in

> brutality to what the "corrupt politicians" you mentioned have done in

> recent decades--over a million dead in Iraq (and Iran--killed by the

> religious nuts running their gov) since 1990; several million dead in

> Loas, Vietnam, Cambodia in the 60s/70s; hundreds of thousands dead in

> Nicaragua, Guatemala, El Salvador in the 80s, hundreds of thousands in

> Indonesia in the late 60s (in the name of fighting the communists there),

> thousands in the Balkans in the 90s, not to mention the 26,000 people a day

> or whatever the # is who die from starvation, diarreah, and other easily

> preventable causeses, and the list goes on...

>

>  ------------------------------

>

> Date: Sat, 30 May 2009 20:46:17 +0100

> From: ade at the-lab.zetnet.co.uk

> To: gathering at misera.net

> Subject: Re: [kj] OT-ish: Top 10 Conspiracy Theories(one ofJaz's faves is

> on here)

> Yeah, fair comment Greg, it's just the *killing people* bit I don't like

> !!!

>

> As much as I'd like to see corrupt politicians hanging upside-down from

> lamp posts,

> I feel it would be the dawn of a new age of social brutality, dropping the

> threshold of

> whichever forms of violence are considered acceptable.

>

> Still, can't help spilling the milk sometimes.

>

> -----Original Message-----

> *From:* gathering-bounces at misera.net [mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net]

> *On Behalf Of *GREG SLAWSON

> *Sent:* 30 May 2009 20:30

> *To:* gathering

> *Subject:* Re: [kj] OT-ish: Top 10 Conspiracy Theories(one ofJaz's faves

> is on here)

> Bankers? Actually, the "ruling class" is made up of all kids of people who

> usually serve in government, private industry, academia, and sit on all kids

> of boards of directors, belong to major think tanks (Council on Foreign

> Relations, Trilateral Commision, etc). And you got the point about business

> moving on to more profitable things right--so all the more need to end

> profit and just produce things simple for USE.

>

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>

> Date: Sat, 30 May 2009 19:34:50 +0100

> From: ade at the-lab.zetnet.co.uk

> To: gathering at misera.net

> Subject: Re: [kj] OT-ish: Top 10 Conspiracy Theories (one ofJaz's faves is

> on here)

> Revolution. Who do you suggest we start killing first?

>

> Take the profit out of oil & big business will move on to something else

> with a larger profit margin.

>

>

> -----Original Message-----

> *From:* gathering-bounces at misera.net [mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net]

> *On Behalf Of *GREG SLAWSON

> *Sent:* 30 May 2009 18:30

> *To:* gathering

> *Subject:* Re: [kj] OT-ish: Top 10 Conspiracy Theories (one ofJaz's faves

> is on here)

> The main way to affect climate change is not the bullshit we hear in the

> media about everyone turning off a light, but by forcing the capitalists

> (who care nothing about the planet, only about making immediate short-term

> profits) to abandon their oil, gas, and coal industries and switch to solar,

> wind, etc. And since that it not immediately profitable for them to do this,

> the only way to get this done is through revolutions!

>

>

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>

> From: stephen.l at live.com

> To: gathering at misera.net

> Date: Sat, 30 May 2009 12:43:06 +0000

> Subject: Re: [kj] OT-ish: Top 10 Conspiracy Theories (one of Jaz's faves is

> on here)

>

> to all those concerned about climate change just try not to contribute to

> it in whatever way and however small that contibution may be

>

> > Date: Sat, 30 May 2009 00:49:21 +0100

> > From: ade at the-lab.zetnet.co.uk

> > To: gathering at misera.net

> > Subject: Re: [kj] OT-ish: Top 10 Conspiracy Theories (one of Jaz's faves

> is on here)

> >

> > Can't say I'm not concerned about ice-fields full of methane & defrosting

> permafrost...

> >

> > -----Original Message-----

> > From: gathering-bounces at misera.net

> > [mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net]On Behalf Of B. Oliver Sheppard

> > Sent: 30 May 2009 00:44

> > To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)

> > Subject: Re: [kj] OT-ish: Top 10 Conspiracy Theories (one of Jaz's faves

> > is on here)

> >

> >

> > Even if one thinks Al Gore and/or his movie are full of crap, that

> > doesn't mean climate change is. Al Gore and climate change are obviously

> > two different things. The idea of climate change isn't false just

> > because Al Gore's movie might suck. (I wouldn't know, I haven't seen

> > it.) I hope I am preaching to the converted! :D

> >

> > -Oliver

> >

> >

> > Darren A. Peace wrote:

> > >

> > > Oh, just read Crichton’s State Of Fear for an eminently reasonable,

> > > non paranoid expose of the fallacy that is global warming...

> > >

> > > Actually, it’s a pretty perfect example of thrusting your own head so

> > > far up your arse you can’t hear or see a thing.

> > >

> > > Darren

> > >

> > > Hungerford, UK

> > >

> > > *From:* gathering-bounces at misera.net

> > > [mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net] *On Behalf Of *sade1

> > > *Sent:* 29 May 2009 8:52 PM

> > > *To:* A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)

> > > *Subject:* Re: [kj] OT-ish: Top 10 Conspiracy Theories (one of Jaz's

> > > faves is on here)

> > >

> > > OK, I'll bite: why is Al Gore's movie (incovenient truth?) crap?

> > >

> >

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