[kj] OT-ish: Top10 ConspiracyTheories(one ofJaz's faves is onhere)

[Brendan Quinn]

I agree with you on most points except looking after people with different
beliefs. I think we're split on beliefs more than most other things. We all
share genetics and basic needs to a huge extent, but differ largely in
beliefs. Beliefs are the next evolutionary step, and it's natural selection,
survival of the fittest all over again. I believe in extinguishing negative
behaviours, and a lot of behaviours such as religiosity etc need to be seen
for what they are. Pure manipulation based on fear. 

 

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From: gathering-bounces at misera.net [mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net] On
Behalf Of bongo
Sent: Sunday, 31 May 2009 12:17 p.m.
To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)
Subject: Re: [kj] OT-ish: Top10 ConspiracyTheories(one ofJaz's faves is
onhere)

 

i truly believe, that until we are our brothers keeper, we will not know
peace on earth...

we must look after one another, no matter what colour or beliefs we may
hold... 

they planet will always have constantly moving arible (sp?) area's, and when
some place dries up, the people must be made welcome where there is plenty.
i'm too simplisticly idealist i know, but surely this is obvious to all?

meh, pass the bong.........

On Sun, May 31, 2009 at 2:12 PM, Brendan Quinn <bq at soundgardener.co.nz>
wrote:

Kinison was the one who introduced me to that via a pretty hilarious rant,
but there's more to it than just living in the desert. They have so many
other problems now, constant wars, AIDS, exploitation by foreign powers etc.

 

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From: gathering-bounces at misera.net [mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net] On
Behalf Of GREG SLAWSON
Sent: Sunday, 31 May 2009 12:04 p.m.
To: gathering
Subject: Re: [kj] OT-ish: Top10 ConspiracyTheories(one ofJaz's faves is on
here)

 

True those "in the desert" govenments are some of the worst in the world.
However many Americans falsely believe that we funnel tons of $ into the
Third World and get nothing in return. The opposite is actually true. The
relatively tiny crumbs we toss them in international relief, etc. in small
compared to the much larger amounts we steal from their countries. It's
called Imperialism and it happens in 3 main ways--stealing or almost
stealing their raw materials (which Africa and the Middle East are rich in),
forcing their workers to work for our companies for dirt wages, and forcing
them to buy our products at an unfair price (or just driving their local
businesses out by under-pricing them). Most of the starvation in places like
Africa (and the local wars too--there was always one group of warlords in
Somalia supported by the US) have their roots in exploitation from the US
and Europe.
PS I can tell you've heard the Sam Kinison routine!
 

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From: bq at soundgardener.co.nz
To: gathering at misera.net
Date: Sun, 31 May 2009 11:56:57 +1000
Subject: Re: [kj] OT-ish: Top 10 ConspiracyTheories(one ofJaz's faves is on
here)

not to mention the 26,000 people a day or whatever the # is who die from
starvation, diarreah, and other easily preventable causeses, and the list
goes on... 

 

No one's ever given me a decent explanation as to why we are expected to
help support people who live in the desert, who don't have the means to live
there, who procreate like crazy, have huge AIDS infection rates, and who are
plagued by warlords causing havoc, constantly causing huge population
migrations of refugees, that decimate the local environment and set back the
agriculture efforts of the entire continent.

 

All the Geldof inspired billions that has flowed into the African continent
since 1986, and the place is worse off. I've often thought of sending money
to those charities, but why bother? None of it seems to have done any good.
My point is not that I don't feel bad about the whole situation, but if you
want to help you have to address all of the issues, not just throw money
into humanitarian aid. It's wasted if you don't clean up the warlords, sort
out irrigation, population growth etc. 

 

Look at Australia. Wealthy nation, huge country / continent, but NO ONE
LIVES IN THE MIDDLE COS IT'S A DESERT. 

 

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From: gathering-bounces at misera.net [mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net] On
Behalf Of GREG SLAWSON
Sent: Sunday, 31 May 2009 11:44 a.m.
To: gathering
Subject: Re: [kj] OT-ish: Top 10 ConspiracyTheories(one ofJaz's faves is on
here)

 

Of course killing people is never a good thing (well, maybe except in the
case of some of the 80s "new romantic" bands). But nothing can compare in
brutality to what the "corrupt politicians" you mentioned have done in
recent decades--over a million dead in Iraq (and Iran--killed by the
religious nuts running their gov) since 1990; several million dead in Loas,
Vietnam, Cambodia in the 60s/70s; hundreds of thousands dead in Nicaragua,
Guatemala, El Salvador in the 80s, hundreds of thousands in Indonesia in the
late 60s (in the name of fighting the communists there), thousands in the
Balkans in the 90s, not to mention the 26,000 people a day or whatever the #
is who die from starvation, diarreah, and other easily preventable causeses,
and the list goes on... 
 

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Date: Sat, 30 May 2009 20:46:17 +0100
From: ade at the-lab.zetnet.co.uk
To: gathering at misera.net
Subject: Re: [kj] OT-ish: Top 10 Conspiracy Theories(one ofJaz's faves is on
here)

Yeah, fair comment Greg, it's just the *killing people* bit I don't like !!!

 

As much as I'd like to see corrupt politicians hanging upside-down from lamp
posts,

I feel it would be the dawn of a new age of social brutality, dropping the
threshold of

whichever forms of violence are considered acceptable.

 

Still, can't help spilling the milk sometimes.

-----Original Message-----
From: gathering-bounces at misera.net [mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net]On
Behalf Of GREG SLAWSON
Sent: 30 May 2009 20:30
To: gathering
Subject: Re: [kj] OT-ish: Top 10 Conspiracy Theories(one ofJaz's faves is on
here)

Bankers? Actually, the "ruling class" is made up of all kids of people who
usually serve in government, private industry, academia, and sit on all kids
of boards of directors, belong to major think tanks (Council on Foreign
Relations, Trilateral Commision, etc). And you got the point about business
moving on to more profitable things right--so all the more need to end
profit and just produce things simple for USE.
 


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Date: Sat, 30 May 2009 19:34:50 +0100
From: ade at the-lab.zetnet.co.uk
To: gathering at misera.net
Subject: Re: [kj] OT-ish: Top 10 Conspiracy Theories (one ofJaz's faves is
on here)

Revolution. Who do you suggest we start killing first?

 

Take the profit out of oil & big business will move on to something else
with a larger profit margin.

 

-----Original Message-----
From: gathering-bounces at misera.net [mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net]On
Behalf Of GREG SLAWSON
Sent: 30 May 2009 18:30
To: gathering
Subject: Re: [kj] OT-ish: Top 10 Conspiracy Theories (one ofJaz's faves is
on here)

The main way to affect climate change is not the bullshit we hear in the
media about everyone turning off a light, but by forcing the capitalists
(who care nothing about the planet, only about making immediate short-term
profits) to abandon their oil, gas, and coal industries and switch to solar,
wind, etc. And since that it not immediately profitable for them to do this,
the only way to get this done is through revolutions!

 


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From: stephen.l at live.com
To: gathering at misera.net
Date: Sat, 30 May 2009 12:43:06 +0000
Subject: Re: [kj] OT-ish: Top 10 Conspiracy Theories (one of Jaz's faves is
on here)

to all those concerned about climate change just try not to contribute to it
in whatever way and however small that contibution may be 
 

> Date: Sat, 30 May 2009 00:49:21 +0100

> From: ade at the-lab.zetnet.co.uk

> To: gathering at misera.net

> Subject: Re: [kj] OT-ish: Top 10 Conspiracy Theories (one of Jaz's faves

is on here)

> 

> Can't say I'm not concerned about ice-fields full of methane & defrosting

permafrost...

> 

> -----Original Message-----

> From: gathering-bounces at misera.net

> [mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net]On Behalf Of B. Oliver Sheppard

> Sent: 30 May 2009 00:44

> To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)

> Subject: Re: [kj] OT-ish: Top 10 Conspiracy Theories (one of Jaz's faves

> is on here)

> 

> 

> Even if one thinks Al Gore and/or his movie are full of crap, that 

> doesn't mean climate change is. Al Gore and climate change are obviously 

> two different things. The idea of climate change isn't false just 

> because Al Gore's movie might suck. (I wouldn't know, I haven't seen 

> it.) I hope I am preaching to the converted! :D

> 

> -Oliver

> 

> 

> Darren A. Peace wrote:

> >

> > Oh, just read Crichton's State Of Fear for an eminently reasonable, 

> > non paranoid expose of the fallacy that is global warming...

> >

> > Actually, it's a pretty perfect example of thrusting your own head so 

> > far up your arse you can't hear or see a thing.

> >

> > Darren

> >

> > Hungerford, UK

> >

> > *From:* gathering-bounces at misera.net 

> > [mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net] *On Behalf Of *sade1

> > *Sent:* 29 May 2009 8:52 PM

> > *To:* A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)

> > *Subject:* Re: [kj] OT-ish: Top 10 Conspiracy Theories (one of Jaz's 

> > faves is on here)

> >

> > OK, I'll bite: why is Al Gore's movie (incovenient truth?) crap?

> >

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