[kj] Night Time v Hosannas
damon cook
soundmagick at gmail.com
Tue May 24 03:27:28 EDT 2011
DONT U WORRY DOMINICO EYE/WE GOT YR BACK M8. FUCK THE FORUM TROLLS AND THEIR
HUMAN SPAM.
KEEP KRANKIN THEE EQ M8!
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On Tue, May 24, 2011 at 12:33 AM, Dominico C <dominicoc at hotmail.com> wrote:
> Honestly, for me, Hossanas gets more air time, than I would play Night
> Time.... I love Eighties, but that’s pretty much it... Yeah, the mix on
> Hossanas SUCKS, but I always CRANK UP THE EQ! I bought most of the
> remasters, but with the exceptions to Night Time, OTG, and BTATS... I do
> still have my original Night Time on CD.... I prefer Fire Dances over Night
> Time though, and of course the first three albums! Of course Democracy is
> one of my favorites!!! Oh no... Hear come the forum trolls...
>
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> 1. Re: Snap into a Slim Jim. RIP (Rheinhold Squeegee)
> 2. Re: Night Time v Hosannas (LONESTYLE at aol.com)
> 3. Re: Night Time v Hosannas (folk devil)
> 4. Re: Official KJ site updated with news: (Alex Smith)
> 5. Re: The real reason they wont be touring the USA.
> (Paul Rangecroft)
> 6. Re: Official KJ site updated with news: (Steve Hackett)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Fri, 20 May 2011 12:14:09 -0500
> From: Rheinhold Squeegee <kjlist at live.com>
> Subject: Re: [kj] Snap into a Slim Jim. RIP
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> For those of you outside the US:
>
>
> http://www.tmz.com/2011/05/20/randy-savage-car-accident-macho-man-dead-dies-died-killed-wwe-wrestler-florida/
>
>
>
> From: wessidetempest at hotmail.com
>> Date: Fri, 20 May 2011 12:57:02 -0400
>> To: gathering at misera.net
>> Subject: [kj] Snap into a Slim Jim. RIP
>>
>> Forget all this Killing Joke nonsense. We just lost Randy Macho Man
>> Savage.
>>
>>
>>
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> Date: Fri, 20 May 2011 13:15:26 -0400 (EDT)
> From: LONESTYLE at aol.com
>
> Subject: Re: [kj] Night Time v Hosannas
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> Night Time: Good!
>
> Hosannas: Bad!
>
> Night Time: Excellent production!
>
> Hosannas: Shity production that sounds it was recorded in a toilet at
> times!
>
> Night Time: Jaz sings!
>
> Hosannas: Jaz yells!
>
> Nuff said!
>
>
>
> ~ LB
>
> In a message dated 5/20/2011 7:44:02 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
> 65snoopy at gmail.com writes:
>
> I understand that Night Time is up there in the pantheon of classic KJ
> releases
> but 25 years (!) on the only songs I listen to on a regular basis are
> Darkness Before Dawn,
> Europe and LLB. I thought it was patchy at the time and have never changed
> that view.
>
> Hosannas is also patchy - and has a far more dodgy sound - but Invocation
> and Judas Goat
> are, for me, two of the finest songs the band have written in the last few
> decades. I also like blasting
> Walking with Gods and Lightbringer - in those edited versions (off some
> single?) Or I just
> get itunes to fade 'em out after 5 minutes...
>
> So in listening terms its equal honours between the 2 records - even if my
> nostalgic heart tells me
> Night Time is way above Hosannas.
>
> christ I'm a nerd
>
> n
>
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> Date: Fri, 20 May 2011 10:23:51 -0700
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> From: folk devil <folk.devil at hotmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [kj] Night Time v Hosannas
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> Night Time - Glossy production, very good recording work
> Hosannas - terrible rushed recording (maybe there was a reason?), that
> kills some good ideas that were not executed very well. Better recordings
> have been done on an old fostex 4 track. I like rough edges, but not
> Hosannas.
>
>
>
> From: LONESTYLE at aol.com
> Date: Fri, 20 May 2011 13:15:26 -0400
>
> To: gathering at misera.net
> Subject: Re: [kj] Night Time v Hosannas
>
>
>
> Night Time: Good!
>
> Hosannas: Bad!
>
> Night Time: Excellent production!
>
> Hosannas: Shity production that sounds it was recorded in a toilet at
> times!
>
> Night Time: Jaz sings!
>
> Hosannas: Jaz yells!
>
> Nuff said!
>
>
>
> ~ LB
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> Date: Fri, 20 May 2011 13:27:18 -0400 (GMT-04:00)
> From: Alex Smith <vassifer at earthlink.net>
> Subject: Re: [kj] Official KJ site updated with news:
>
> To: "A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)"
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> That's just whistleheaded horsehockey. Anyone who doesn't have ten gallons
> of water-buffalo dung in their ears knows that NIGHTTIME shits all over
> HOSANNAS from A GREAT, BROWN, SPLATTERY HEIGHT.
>
>
> Alex in NYC
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
>
>> From: Steve Hackett <thepunisher at blueyonder.co.uk>
>> Sent: May 20, 2011 1:13 PM
>> To: "A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)" <
>> gathering at misera.net>
>> Subject: Re: [kj] Official KJ site updated with news:
>>
>> Sooo...you acknowledge defeat..... Hosannas > nightime
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alexander Smith" <
>> vassifer at earthlink.net>
>>
>> To: "A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)"
>> <gathering at misera.net>
>> Sent: Friday, May 20, 2011 2:08 PM
>> Subject: Re: [kj] Official KJ site updated with news:
>>
>>
>>
>> Secondly, I'm fleetingly self-aware enough to realize that I'm a
>> cranky bastard because I'm up too early and haven't had any breakfast.
>> Apologies for my needless provocation and accompanying time/bandwidth-
>> wasting.
>>
>> Alex in NYC
>>
>>
>> On May 20, 2011, at 9:02 AM, Alexander Smith wrote:
>>
>>
>>> "I just shake my head at your retaliatory nature."
>>>
>>> You don't find that to be a pompous statement?
>>>
>>> LET'S DROP IT!!!
>>>
>>> Alex in NYC
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On May 20, 2011, at 8:54 AM, Nick Scott wrote:
>>>
>>> I really don't think posting this initially was enough for you to
>>>> think I was being retaliatory and pompous, try reading it again and
>>>> explain how you seemed to get the wrong end of the stick?
>>>>
>>>> "Hopelessannas is just your opinion though, for one I don't think the
>>>> (more dated than their early stuff) mid 80s synth pop Nighttime album
>>>> is all that fantastic or varied, but we hear on here regularly how
>>>> much you love it.
>>>>
>>>> Each to their own, personally I have far more time for "Hosannas" than
>>>> say "Democracy", there again I am sure others would disagree."
>>>>
>>>> On 20 May 2011 13:48, Alexander Smith <vassifer at earthlink.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> ....yet fail to recognize the equally retaliatory and pompous nature
>>>>> of
>>>>> your
>>>>> own response.
>>>>>
>>>>> Alex in NYC
>>>>>
>>>>> On May 20, 2011, at 8:45 AM, Nick Scott wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> I just shake my head at your retaliatory nature.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 20 May 2011 13:36, Alexander Smith <vassifer at earthlink.net>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> It was merely a retort to your comment that you'd been lurking for
>>>>>>> many
>>>>>>> years with rarely posting.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I don't think we need to continue this. I see your point that there's
>>>>>>> too
>>>>>>> much crap and not enough meaty discussion here, but that's kinda the
>>>>>>> nature
>>>>>>> of the beast.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> As far as HOSANNAS versus NIGHTTIME goes, it's a matter of opinion,
>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>> no
>>>>>>> reason for us to get in a strop about. Neither of us are "wrong" for
>>>>>>> liking
>>>>>>> what we like. There is no end to that argument.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Again, though, if you feel a dissenting opinion, why not express it
>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>> add
>>>>>>> to the conversation instead of lurking?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Alex in NYC
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On May 20, 2011, at 8:27 AM, Nick Scott wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> A lot more bloody confusing to work through, as I said, no column
>>>>>>>> headings for distinct topics, no user interface, no moderation, no
>>>>>>>> structure.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I am not sure I understand your comment about winning something?
>>>>>>>> What
>>>>>>>> is the sarcasm aimed at?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 20 May 2011 13:21, Alexander Smith <vassifer at earthlink.net>
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> We're getting into semantics here, but regardless of terminology,
>>>>>>>>> how
>>>>>>>>> exactly is a email list *different* from an open forum?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I've been on this list since about 1998 or 9. Do I win something?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Alex in NYC
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On May 20, 2011, at 8:18 AM, Nick Scott wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I have been on this forum lurking for many years with rarely
>>>>>>>>>> posting.
>>>>>>>>>> To be honest, this does not work as a forum anyway, it is an email
>>>>>>>>>> list, it would be better structured as topics on a forum on a
>>>>>>>>>> proper
>>>>>>>>>> website in my opinion.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Perhaps if there was structure, with column headings, topics etc,
>>>>>>>>>> things on here wouldn't get as fragmented.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On 20 May 2011 13:15, Alexander Smith <vassifer at earthlink.net>
>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I agree that an unwieldy portion of commentary here is entirely
>>>>>>>>>>> flotsam,
>>>>>>>>>>> but
>>>>>>>>>>> I assure this was not always the case. By the same token, being
>>>>>>>>>>> an
>>>>>>>>>>> open
>>>>>>>>>>> forum, its very nature encourages differing opinions. You would
>>>>>>>>>>> prefer
>>>>>>>>>>> maybe
>>>>>>>>>>> to simply read press releases that all tow a singular party line?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Alex in NYC
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On May 20, 2011, at 8:13 AM, Nick Scott wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> 90% of the comments on this so called "Gathering" forum is dross
>>>>>>>>>>>> anyway, you either get trolls, thread spoilers or what I would
>>>>>>>>>>>> term
>>>>>>>>>>>> "aggressors". Perhaps it is because I am tired or reading
>>>>>>>>>>>> bitching
>>>>>>>>>>>> on here.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On 20 May 2011 13:08, Alexander Smith <vassifer at earthlink.net>
>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> If you fail to contribute, you rob yourself of the right to
>>>>>>>>>>>>> bitch
>>>>>>>>>>>>> about
>>>>>>>>>>>>> it,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> then.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Alex in NYC
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On May 20, 2011, at 8:07 AM, Nick Scott wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> It is hardly surprising I don't post much on here.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 20 May 2011 13:04, Alexander Smith <vassifer at earthlink.net
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I don't believe I ever asserted that my opinion WAS the only
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> one
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> here.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> If
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> did, I'd appreciate it if you cited same before casting said
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> aspersion.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Moreover, it's not my fault that you don't contribute enough
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> re-establish
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the rich tapestry of varied opinions that the Gathering used
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> be
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> influx
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> insanity and ennui took over.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Alex in NYC
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On May 20, 2011, at 8:02 AM, Nick Scott wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I haven't started a debate before? Just saying. Length
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> repetition only adds to the tension in songs on Hosannas in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> my
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> opinion, like some of KJs early stuff, which is also built
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> on
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> repetition. Yours is not the only opinion on here,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> surprisingly
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> enough.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 20 May 2011 12:58, Alexander Smith <
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> vassifer at earthlink.net
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Dated or not, at least NIGHTTIME has fully-fleshed out,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> actual
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> songs
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> on
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Do you really want to start this debate again?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Alex in NYC
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On May 20, 2011, at 7:55 AM, Nick Scott wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hopelessannas is just your opinion though, for one I don't
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> think
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (more dated than their early stuff) mid 80s synth pop
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Nighttime
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> album
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is all that fantastic or varied, but we hear on here
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> regularly
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> how
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> much you love it.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Each to their own, personally I have far more time for
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Hosannas"
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> than
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> say "Democracy", there again I am sure others would
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> disagree.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 20 May 2011 12:42, Alexander Smith
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <vassifer at earthlink.net
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Yeah, the Coles recognition is really the only silver
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> lining
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> here.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Spinefarm unaware that the entire back catalog was
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> already
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> recently
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> exhumed,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> remastered and re-released (well, apart from KJ03 and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> HOPELESSANNAS)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Alex in NYC
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On May 20, 2011, at 4:36 AM, Neil Perry wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Still, nice to see Colesy get a mention. Here's hoping
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> he
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> gets
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> new
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> LP
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> also.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To paraphrase Winston Churchill:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Killing Joke will always do the right thing - after they
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> have
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> exhausted
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> all the alternatives."
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> n
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 19 May 2011 23:26, Rheinhold Squeegee <
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> kjlist at live.com
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> www.killingjoke.com
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> WEBSITE COMING SOON
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Killing Joke News
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Below we?ve got plenty of news for you from Killing
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Joke,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> but
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> before
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> we
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> open that box we?re really pleased to bring you
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> this
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> At the start of the year we announced a deal with
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Spinefarm/Universal
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a brand new studio album, which we?ll announce details
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> after
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> this
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> summer.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> We?re really excited to be back working with the label
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> who
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> put
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> out
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Absolute
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> taking
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> control
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> some
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of the back catalogue which we will be repackaging and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> improving
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> over
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> course of the next year.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It was great to see so many of you in London, Nottingham
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Manchester,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and at the Camden Crawl recently, for our big return to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> playing
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> live
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> with
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the full original line-up. As you may know, Jaz retired
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Great
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Barrier
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Island, Paul to New York, Geordie to Prague and Youth
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Andulucia,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> but
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> with
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the release of ?European Super State? we?re all very
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> much
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> back
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> action
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> looking forward to a massive summer ahead. We?ll have
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> more
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> UK
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> festival
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> news
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to come soon as well.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> We?ve also got something very special to announce for
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> fans
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Killing
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Joke live show. Following our show at the Royal Festival
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hall,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> which
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> was
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> accompanied by stunning visuals designed by Mr. Mike
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Coles,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> an
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> artistic
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> genius and longtime Killing Joke collaborator, we can
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> now
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> announce
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> performance will be released as the definitive Killing
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Joke
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> live
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> album.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Fans
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> will have many ways to get hold of a copy, the details
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> which
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> we?ll
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> announce in early June.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The band are already working on the new album and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> preparations
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> are
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> now
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> underway for our European Tour starting in June which
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> takes
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> us
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> straight
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> into
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a full summer of festivals, taking in Roskilde and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sonisphere
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> name
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> but a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> few.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It is however with great regret that Killing Joke have
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> been
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> forced
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> cancel the upcoming US dates due to health issues within
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> band.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> We
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> hope
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to be back to the States very soon and appreciate all
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> your
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> support.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> This is going to be an incredible year for Killing Joke,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> we
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> look
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> forward to the future, and seeing you all at our shows.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> All the best, Killing Joke.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Written on May 19, 2011 at 1:58 pm, by admin
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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> Message: 5
> Date: Fri, 20 May 2011 18:28:53 +0100
> From: Paul Rangecroft <paul.rangecroft at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [kj] The real reason they wont be touring the USA.
>
> To: "A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)"
> <gathering at misera.net>
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> Geordie informed Benny. That doesn't mean the decision was his alone.
>
> Since all the other members of the band have spoken the sickness implied
> must be Jaz's, however it seems this is an excuse so the real reason must
> be
> something else he has done.
>
> A few have already expressed concerns re the European dates and I'm in
> agreement with them. I won't be taking any gambles on this tour.
>
> On Fri, May 20, 2011 at 2:55 PM, Simon Abinett <louiecipher33 at hotmail.com
> >wrote:
>
> About as official as your going to get , no it's not speculation
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>> Date: Fri, 20 May 2011 14:49:01 +0100
>> From: phil.tofield at virgin.net
>> To: gathering at misera.net
>> Subject: Re: [kj] The real reason they wont be touring the USA.
>>
>>
>> has there actually been any official confirmation of this, or is it still
>> speculation?
>>
>>
>>
>> the fact remains that it was our Lord Geordie who stopped the U.S dates
>> not
>> our prophet Jaz.
>>
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> Message: 6
> Date: Fri, 20 May 2011 18:45:16 +0100
> From: "Steve Hackett" <thepunisher at blueyonder.co.uk>
> Subject: Re: [kj] Official KJ site updated with news:
>
> To: "Alex Smith" <vassifer at earthlink.net>, "A list about all things
> Killing Joke \(the band!\)" <gathering at misera.net>
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> stop sitting on the fence!
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alex Smith" <vassifer at earthlink.net>
>
> To: "A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)"
> <gathering at misera.net>; "A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)"
> <gathering at misera.net>
> Sent: Friday, May 20, 2011 6:27 PM
> Subject: Re: [kj] Official KJ site updated with news:
>
>
>
>> That's just whistleheaded horsehockey. Anyone who doesn't have ten gallons
>> of water-buffalo dung in their ears knows that NIGHTTIME shits all over
>> HOSANNAS from A GREAT, BROWN, SPLATTERY HEIGHT.
>>
>>
>> Alex in NYC
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>>
>>> From: Steve Hackett <thepunisher at blueyonder.co.uk>
>>> Sent: May 20, 2011 1:13 PM
>>> To: "A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)"
>>> <gathering at misera.net>
>>> Subject: Re: [kj] Official KJ site updated with news:
>>>
>>> Sooo...you acknowledge defeat..... Hosannas > nightime
>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alexander Smith" <
>>> vassifer at earthlink.net>
>>>
>>> To: "A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)"
>>> <gathering at misera.net>
>>> Sent: Friday, May 20, 2011 2:08 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [kj] Official KJ site updated with news:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Secondly, I'm fleetingly self-aware enough to realize that I'm a
>>> cranky bastard because I'm up too early and haven't had any breakfast.
>>> Apologies for my needless provocation and accompanying time/bandwidth-
>>> wasting.
>>>
>>> Alex in NYC
>>>
>>>
>>> On May 20, 2011, at 9:02 AM, Alexander Smith wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>> "I just shake my head at your retaliatory nature."
>>>>
>>>> You don't find that to be a pompous statement?
>>>>
>>>> LET'S DROP IT!!!
>>>>
>>>> Alex in NYC
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On May 20, 2011, at 8:54 AM, Nick Scott wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I really don't think posting this initially was enough for you to
>>>>> think I was being retaliatory and pompous, try reading it again and
>>>>> explain how you seemed to get the wrong end of the stick?
>>>>>
>>>>> "Hopelessannas is just your opinion though, for one I don't think the
>>>>> (more dated than their early stuff) mid 80s synth pop Nighttime album
>>>>> is all that fantastic or varied, but we hear on here regularly how
>>>>> much you love it.
>>>>>
>>>>> Each to their own, personally I have far more time for "Hosannas" than
>>>>> say "Democracy", there again I am sure others would disagree."
>>>>>
>>>>> On 20 May 2011 13:48, Alexander Smith <vassifer at earthlink.net> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ....yet fail to recognize the equally retaliatory and pompous nature
>>>>>> of
>>>>>> your
>>>>>> own response.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Alex in NYC
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On May 20, 2011, at 8:45 AM, Nick Scott wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I just shake my head at your retaliatory nature.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 20 May 2011 13:36, Alexander Smith <vassifer at earthlink.net>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> It was merely a retort to your comment that you'd been lurking for
>>>>>>>> many
>>>>>>>> years with rarely posting.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I don't think we need to continue this. I see your point that
>>>>>>>> there's
>>>>>>>> too
>>>>>>>> much crap and not enough meaty discussion here, but that's kinda
>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>> nature
>>>>>>>> of the beast.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> As far as HOSANNAS versus NIGHTTIME goes, it's a matter of opinion,
>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>> no
>>>>>>>> reason for us to get in a strop about. Neither of us are "wrong"
>>>>>>>> for
>>>>>>>> liking
>>>>>>>> what we like. There is no end to that argument.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Again, though, if you feel a dissenting opinion, why not express it
>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>> add
>>>>>>>> to the conversation instead of lurking?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Alex in NYC
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On May 20, 2011, at 8:27 AM, Nick Scott wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> A lot more bloody confusing to work through, as I said, no column
>>>>>>>>> headings for distinct topics, no user interface, no moderation, no
>>>>>>>>> structure.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I am not sure I understand your comment about winning something?
>>>>>>>>> What
>>>>>>>>> is the sarcasm aimed at?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On 20 May 2011 13:21, Alexander Smith <vassifer at earthlink.net>
>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> We're getting into semantics here, but regardless of terminology,
>>>>>>>>>> how
>>>>>>>>>> exactly is a email list *different* from an open forum?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I've been on this list since about 1998 or 9. Do I win something?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Alex in NYC
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On May 20, 2011, at 8:18 AM, Nick Scott wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I have been on this forum lurking for many years with rarely
>>>>>>>>>>> posting.
>>>>>>>>>>> To be honest, this does not work as a forum anyway, it is an
>>>>>>>>>>> email
>>>>>>>>>>> list, it would be better structured as topics on a forum on a
>>>>>>>>>>> proper
>>>>>>>>>>> website in my opinion.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Perhaps if there was structure, with column headings, topics
>>>>>>>>>>> etc,
>>>>>>>>>>> things on here wouldn't get as fragmented.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On 20 May 2011 13:15, Alexander Smith <vassifer at earthlink.net>
>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> I agree that an unwieldy portion of commentary here is entirely
>>>>>>>>>>>> flotsam,
>>>>>>>>>>>> but
>>>>>>>>>>>> I assure this was not always the case. By the same token, being
>>>>>>>>>>>> an
>>>>>>>>>>>> open
>>>>>>>>>>>> forum, its very nature encourages differing opinions. You would
>>>>>>>>>>>> prefer
>>>>>>>>>>>> maybe
>>>>>>>>>>>> to simply read press releases that all tow a singular party
>>>>>>>>>>>> line?
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Alex in NYC
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On May 20, 2011, at 8:13 AM, Nick Scott wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> 90% of the comments on this so called "Gathering" forum is
>>>>>>>>>>>>> dross
>>>>>>>>>>>>> anyway, you either get trolls, thread spoilers or what I would
>>>>>>>>>>>>> term
>>>>>>>>>>>>> "aggressors". Perhaps it is because I am tired or reading
>>>>>>>>>>>>> bitching
>>>>>>>>>>>>> on here.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 20 May 2011 13:08, Alexander Smith <vassifer at earthlink.net
>>>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> If you fail to contribute, you rob yourself of the right to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> bitch
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> about
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> then.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Alex in NYC
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On May 20, 2011, at 8:07 AM, Nick Scott wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It is hardly surprising I don't post much on here.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 20 May 2011 13:04, Alexander Smith <
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> vassifer at earthlink.net
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I don't believe I ever asserted that my opinion WAS the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> only
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> one
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> here.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> If
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> did, I'd appreciate it if you cited same before casting
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> said
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> aspersion.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Moreover, it's not my fault that you don't contribute
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> enough
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> re-establish
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the rich tapestry of varied opinions that the Gathering
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> used
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> be
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> influx
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> insanity and ennui took over.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Alex in NYC
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On May 20, 2011, at 8:02 AM, Nick Scott wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I haven't started a debate before? Just saying. Length
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> repetition only adds to the tension in songs on Hosannas
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> my
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> opinion, like some of KJs early stuff, which is also built
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> on
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> repetition. Yours is not the only opinion on here,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> surprisingly
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> enough.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 20 May 2011 12:58, Alexander Smith
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <vassifer at earthlink.net
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Dated or not, at least NIGHTTIME has fully-fleshed out,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> actual
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> songs
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> on
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Do you really want to start this debate again?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Alex in NYC
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On May 20, 2011, at 7:55 AM, Nick Scott wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hopelessannas is just your opinion though, for one I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> don't
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> think
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (more dated than their early stuff) mid 80s synth pop
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Nighttime
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> album
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is all that fantastic or varied, but we hear on here
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> regularly
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> how
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> much you love it.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Each to their own, personally I have far more time for
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Hosannas"
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> than
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> say "Democracy", there again I am sure others would
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> disagree.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 20 May 2011 12:42, Alexander Smith
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <vassifer at earthlink.net
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Yeah, the Coles recognition is really the only silver
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> lining
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> here.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Spinefarm unaware that the entire back catalog was
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> already
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> recently
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> exhumed,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> remastered and re-released (well, apart from KJ03 and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> HOPELESSANNAS)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Alex in NYC
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On May 20, 2011, at 4:36 AM, Neil Perry wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Still, nice to see Colesy get a mention. Here's hoping
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> he
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> gets
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> new
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> LP
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> also.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To paraphrase Winston Churchill:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Killing Joke will always do the right thing - after
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> they
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> have
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> exhausted
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> all the alternatives."
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> n
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 19 May 2011 23:26, Rheinhold Squeegee
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <kjlist at live.com
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> www.killingjoke.com
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> WEBSITE COMING SOON
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> European Dates
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 10 Jun Poland Warsaw Sonisphere Buy Tickets
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 12 Jun Germany Leipzig Wave Gotik Treffen Buy Tickets
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2 Jul Denmark Roskilde Festival Buy Tickets
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 8 Jul UK Knebworth Sonisphere Buy Tickets
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 22 Jul Finland Helsinki Tuska Open Air Buy Tickets
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 31 Jul Holland Utrecht Summer Darknes Buy Tickets
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Killing Joke News
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Below we?ve got plenty of news for you from Killing
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Joke,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> but
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> before
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> we
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> open that box we?re really pleased to bring you
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ?European
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Super
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> State?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> this
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> month, our new single available on CD, 12? coloured
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> vinyl
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> digital
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> download. The formats of the new single are:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> CD
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 1. ?European Super State? (edit)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2. ?Kali Yuga?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 3. ?Ghosts Of Ladbroke Grove? (Dub Mix)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 4. ?European Super State? (Youth Remix)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 5. ?European Super State? (Dub Remix)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 6. ?European Super State? (Justin Broadrick Remix)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 12? vinyl ? 290 numbered copies available exclusively
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> from
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> www.whatrecords.co.uk
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 1. ?European Super State? (Youth Remix)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2. ?European Super State? (Dub Remix)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 3. ?European Super State? (Justin Broadrick Remix)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 4. ?European Super State? (Clive Goddard Extended mix)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Digital Download
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 1. ?European Super State?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2. ?European Super State? (Youth Remix)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 3. ?European Super State? (Justin Broadrick Remix)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 4. ?European Super State? (Clive Goddard extended mix)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> At the start of the year we announced a deal with
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Spinefarm/Universal
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a brand new studio album, which we?ll announce details
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> after
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> this
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> summer.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> We?re really excited to be back working with the label
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> who
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> put
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> out
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Absolute
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Dissent, and we?re also glad to announce they?ll be
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> taking
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> control
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> some
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of the back catalogue which we will be repackaging and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> improving
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> over
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> course of the next year.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It was great to see so many of you in London,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Nottingham
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Manchester,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and at the Camden Crawl recently, for our big return
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> playing
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> live
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> with
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the full original line-up. As you may know, Jaz
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> retired
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Great
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Barrier
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Island, Paul to New York, Geordie to Prague and Youth
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Andulucia,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> but
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> with
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the release of ?European Super State? we?re all very
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> much
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> back
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> action
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> looking forward to a massive summer ahead. We?ll have
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> more
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> UK
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> festival
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> news
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to come soon as well.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> We?ve also got something very special to announce for
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> fans
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Killing
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Joke live show. Following our show at the Royal
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Festival
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hall,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> which
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> was
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> accompanied by stunning visuals designed by Mr. Mike
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Coles,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> an
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> artistic
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> genius and longtime Killing Joke collaborator, we can
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> now
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> announce
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> performance will be released as the definitive Killing
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Joke
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> live
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> album.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Fans
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> will have many ways to get hold of a copy, the details
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> which
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> we?ll
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> announce in early June.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The band are already working on the new album and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> preparations
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> are
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> now
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> underway for our European Tour starting in June which
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> takes
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> us
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> straight
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> into
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a full summer of festivals, taking in Roskilde and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sonisphere
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> name
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> but a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> few.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It is however with great regret that Killing Joke have
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> been
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> forced
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> cancel the upcoming US dates due to health issues
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> within
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> band.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> We
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> hope
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to be back to the States very soon and appreciate all
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> your
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> support.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> This is going to be an incredible year for Killing
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Joke,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> we
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> look
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> forward to the future, and seeing you all at our
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> shows.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> All the best, Killing Joke.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Written on May 19, 2011 at 1:58 pm, by admin
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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