[kj] down by the river

[Neil Perry]

If this is the *only* way of this record seeing the light of day then count
me in - I'll happily make the commitment.
In which case, I just hope enough of us do!

As for 'If they'd have stayed with MD'... you hit the nail there. The
Vertical Smile box is fantastic, but
every time I look at it I can't help picturing what it would look like as a
KJ album. We can but dream...

n

On 19 September 2011 15:08, Darren A. Peace <dpeace at bigfoot.com> wrote:


> I see your concern. My interpretation is that perhaps their record company

> don't regard this live album as viable, and perhaps KJ are finally noticing

> that the recording industry has changed such that limited editions, deluxe

> packaging and autographs are the only way to make any money from anything

> other than touring. If they'd have stayed with MD, I'm sure we'd be frothing

> with excitement at each package Mike put together (the Shriekback & Vertical

> Smile stuff ranks among the favourite things in my collection).

>

> Personally, I'm very happy to dangle the threat of payment at them - I had

> a fantastic time at the concert, and deeply loved Mike's work. It should,

> however, be borne in mind that I'm the sort of idiot who bought two

> different versions of the AD vinyl from that Scandinavian record shop, so

> YMMV.

>

> Darren

> Hungerford, UK

>

> On 19 Sep 2011, at 13:39, Neil Perry <65snoopy at gmail.com> wrote:

>

> But this is the root of my confusion - surely Geordie and Colesy and

> whoever else aren't putting

> all their effort into this in the simple hope that enough money is pledged

> to make it viable?

> If we don't pledge enough money, does this mean the LP won't be released,

> and they have

> wasted all that time and effort?

> And if it is going to be released as normal, why do we need to pledge

> anything? I thought

> they had a record company for this sort of thing? Sorry, I still don't see

> the point of this.

>

> n

>

> On 19 September 2011 14:30, Darren A. Peace < <dpeace at bigfoot.com>

> dpeace at bigfoot.com> wrote:

>

>> I've pledged. If you give them CC details, then they don't collect payment

>> until the enterprise has succeeded and they have product to send out. PayPal

>> is collected straight away.

>>

>> Darren

>> Hungerford, UK

>>

>> On 19 Sep 2011, at 12:27, Neil Perry < <65snoopy at gmail.com>

>> 65snoopy at gmail.com> wrote:

>>

>> I find it all very odd, but then I suppose us being asked to give Killing

>> Joke

>> more money is indeed a killing joke. We (loyal hardcore fans) are going to

>> buy any new album anyway, so why do we have to 'pledge' our support now?

>> I've been

>> pledging my support in one way or another for the past 32 frigging years!

>>

>> I like the title, and the artwork, and will be buying possibly more than

>> one format when it comes out, but

>> I'm a bit long in the tooth now to be giving Killing Joke money up front

>> for anything. Good on

>> Geordie for giving this his all and I'm well happy that Colesy is involved

>> but Paul you said it -

>> don't patronise us!

>>

>> N

>>

>> On 19 September 2011 12:20, Paul Rangecroft < <paul.rangecroft at gmail.com><paul.rangecroft at gmail.com>

>> paul.rangecroft at gmail.com> wrote:

>>

>>> I expect the album will be released even if the don't reach the target

>>> because it sounds like Geordie has put a lot of effort into producing it

>>> already. Plus Colesy has been helping with the artwork. It's probably just a

>>> way of getting some money in advance.

>>>

>>> I haven't made my mind up fully but I think I quite like the concept.

>>> Although Killing Joke aren't a small band like some who genuinely couldn't

>>> afford to release an album unless they reached the pledge amount, for which

>>> the system was presumably devised for in the first place, they don't sell

>>> huge quantities either and they do have a very loyal core following so it

>>> makes a bit of sense to me. I wish they wouldn't patronise us by saying they

>>> want the fans to get more involved, though.

>>>

>>> In general I get them impression that the current trend is for

>>> well-established bands to use the internet to target their long-term fans

>>> who buy everything they do rather than gamble and spend money on promotion.

>>>

>>> I didn't like the title at first and thought it sounded like a Jimmy Nail

>>> album, but it has grown on me. I suspect Geordie is behind it, as IIRC he

>>> doesn't care for those Jaz Coleman tombstone titles. Do we really need

>>> another one of those?

>>>

>>>

>>> On Mon, Sep 19, 2011 at 9:59 AM, Neil Perry < <65snoopy at gmail.com><65snoopy at gmail.com>

>>> 65snoopy at gmail.com> wrote:

>>>

>>>> My monday-morning brain is befuddled by this pledge business - isn't

>>>> this

>>>> just a shop selling autographed stuff?

>>>>

>>>> If the pledge amount isn't reached, does this mean the LP won't be

>>>> released?

>>>>

>>>> I want the double vinyl but don't need it to be autographed - is this LP

>>>> going

>>>> to be available in the shops or is this the only place to get one?

>>>>

>>>> Yours, confused

>>>> N

>>>>

>>>> On 17 September 2011 11:34, fatpotanga < <fatpotanga at gmail.com><fatpotanga at gmail.com>

>>>> fatpotanga at gmail.com> wrote:

>>>>

>>>>> anyone know who did the artwork for this...?

>>>>>

>>>>> been reading up on the whole pledge music thing.

>>>>> makes sense.

>>>>> It's like Jaz' commenting on Trent Reznor doing a self release.

>>>>> I see the mighty Fishbone are on there too.

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