[kj] down by the river

[Rich Hopkins]

Put Live in London then

On Mon, Sep 19, 2011 at 2:20 PM, jon chapman <jonniespatula at hotmail.co.uk>wrote:


>  Geordie said that just to have Live at Royal Festival Hall on the

> sleeve/credits  it costs several thousand quid. ( 5 figures ).

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> From: dpeace at bigfoot.com

> Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2011 14:14:42 +0100

> To: gathering at misera.net

> Subject: Re: [kj] down by the river

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> I see that I have addressed precisely 0 of your points.

>

> Without any evidence to support it, I reckon that Geordie's already sorted

> / is sorting the actual mixing of the audio, and sticking Mike's visuals on

> a DVD is not effort-intensive. I suspect that there are figures in mind as

> to the numbers of expressions of interest required to justify pressing the

> (for example) vinyl, so if there aren't sufficient vinyl pledges, the vinyl

> won't be pressed.

>

> So the pledges are a commitment from us lot to actually buy stuff. I do

> agree that KJ must have a pretty good idea of the number of us who have

> collections to maintain, but I quite like the idea of saying "Yes, this

> sounds fantastic. Count me in."

>

> This is different from the Marillion model. Their fans pay up front so that

> the band can pay for the studio time to record the material. In this case,

> the material is already recorded and ready to go.

>

> Darren

> Hungerford, UK

>

> On 19 Sep 2011, at 13:39, Neil Perry <65snoopy at gmail.com> wrote:

>

>  But this is the root of my confusion - surely Geordie and Colesy and

> whoever else aren't putting

> all their effort into this in the simple hope that enough money is pledged

> to make it viable?

> If we don't pledge enough money, does this mean the LP won't be released,

> and they have

> wasted all that time and effort?

> And if it is going to be released as normal, why do we need to pledge

> anything? I thought

> they had a record company for this sort of thing? Sorry, I still don't see

> the point of this.

>

> n

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> On 19 September 2011 14:30, Darren A. Peace < <dpeace at bigfoot.com>

> dpeace at bigfoot.com> wrote:

>

>  I've pledged. If you give them CC details, then they don't collect

> payment until the enterprise has succeeded and they have product to send

> out. PayPal is collected straight away.

>

> Darren

> Hungerford, UK

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> On 19 Sep 2011, at 12:27, Neil Perry < <65snoopy at gmail.com>

> 65snoopy at gmail.com> wrote:

>

>  I find it all very odd, but then I suppose us being asked to give Killing

> Joke

> more money is indeed a killing joke. We (loyal hardcore fans) are going to

> buy any new album anyway, so why do we have to 'pledge' our support now?

> I've been

> pledging my support in one way or another for the past 32 frigging years!

>

> I like the title, and the artwork, and will be buying possibly more than

> one format when it comes out, but

> I'm a bit long in the tooth now to be giving Killing Joke money up front

> for anything. Good on

> Geordie for giving this his all and I'm well happy that Colesy is involved

> but Paul you said it -

> don't patronise us!

>

> N

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> On 19 September 2011 12:20, Paul Rangecroft < <paul.rangecroft at gmail.com><paul.rangecroft at gmail.com>

> paul.rangecroft at gmail.com> wrote:

>

> I expect the album will be released even if the don't reach the target

> because it sounds like Geordie has put a lot of effort into producing it

> already. Plus Colesy has been helping with the artwork. It's probably just a

> way of getting some money in advance.

>

> I haven't made my mind up fully but I think I quite like the concept.

> Although Killing Joke aren't a small band like some who genuinely couldn't

> afford to release an album unless they reached the pledge amount, for which

> the system was presumably devised for in the first place, they don't sell

> huge quantities either and they do have a very loyal core following so it

> makes a bit of sense to me. I wish they wouldn't patronise us by saying they

> want the fans to get more involved, though.

>

> In general I get them impression that the current trend is for

> well-established bands to use the internet to target their long-term fans

> who buy everything they do rather than gamble and spend money on promotion.

>

> I didn't like the title at first and thought it sounded like a Jimmy Nail

> album, but it has grown on me. I suspect Geordie is behind it, as IIRC he

> doesn't care for those Jaz Coleman tombstone titles. Do we really need

> another one of those?

>

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> On Mon, Sep 19, 2011 at 9:59 AM, Neil Perry < <65snoopy at gmail.com><65snoopy at gmail.com>

> 65snoopy at gmail.com> wrote:

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> My monday-morning brain is befuddled by this pledge business - isn't this

> just a shop selling autographed stuff?

>

> If the pledge amount isn't reached, does this mean the LP won't be

> released?

>

> I want the double vinyl but don't need it to be autographed - is this LP

> going

> to be available in the shops or is this the only place to get one?

>

> Yours, confused

> N

>

> On 17 September 2011 11:34, fatpotanga < <fatpotanga at gmail.com><fatpotanga at gmail.com>

> fatpotanga at gmail.com> wrote:

>

> anyone know who did the artwork for this...?

>

> been reading up on the whole pledge music thing.

> makes sense.

> It's like Jaz' commenting on Trent Reznor doing a self release.

> I see the mighty Fishbone are on there too.

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