[kj] down by the river

[Darren A. Peace]

Only if that starts with "Good evening".

Darren
Hungerford, UK

On 19 Sep 2011, at 14:26, Rich Hopkins <ratclimber at gmail.com> wrote:


> Put Live in London then

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> On Mon, Sep 19, 2011 at 2:20 PM, jon chapman <jonniespatula at hotmail.co.uk> wrote:

> Geordie said that just to have Live at Royal Festival Hall on the sleeve/credits  it costs several thousand quid. ( 5 figures ).

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> From: dpeace at bigfoot.com

> Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2011 14:14:42 +0100

> To: gathering at misera.net

> Subject: Re: [kj] down by the river

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> I see that I have addressed precisely 0 of your points.

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> Without any evidence to support it, I reckon that Geordie's already sorted / is sorting the actual mixing of the audio, and sticking Mike's visuals on a DVD is not effort-intensive. I suspect that there are figures in mind as to the numbers of expressions of interest required to justify pressing the (for example) vinyl, so if there aren't sufficient vinyl pledges, the vinyl won't be pressed.

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> So the pledges are a commitment from us lot to actually buy stuff. I do agree that KJ must have a pretty good idea of the number of us who have collections to maintain, but I quite like the idea of saying "Yes, this sounds fantastic. Count me in."

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> This is different from the Marillion model. Their fans pay up front so that the band can pay for the studio time to record the material. In this case, the material is already recorded and ready to go.

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> Darren

> Hungerford, UK

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> On 19 Sep 2011, at 13:39, Neil Perry <65snoopy at gmail.com> wrote:

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> But this is the root of my confusion - surely Geordie and Colesy and whoever else aren't putting

> all their effort into this in the simple hope that enough money is pledged to make it viable?

> If we don't pledge enough money, does this mean the LP won't be released, and they have

> wasted all that time and effort?

> And if it is going to be released as normal, why do we need to pledge anything? I thought

> they had a record company for this sort of thing? Sorry, I still don't see the point of this. 

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> On 19 September 2011 14:30, Darren A. Peace <dpeace at bigfoot.com> wrote:

> I've pledged. If you give them CC details, then they don't collect payment until the enterprise has succeeded and they have product to send out. PayPal is collected straight away.

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> Darren

> Hungerford, UK

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> On 19 Sep 2011, at 12:27, Neil Perry <65snoopy at gmail.com> wrote:

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> I find it all very odd, but then I suppose us being asked to give Killing Joke

> more money is indeed a killing joke. We (loyal hardcore fans) are going to

> buy any new album anyway, so why do we have to 'pledge' our support now? I've been

> pledging my support in one way or another for the past 32 frigging years!

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> I like the title, and the artwork, and will be buying possibly more than one format when it comes out, but

> I'm a bit long in the tooth now to be giving Killing Joke money up front for anything. Good on

> Geordie for giving this his all and I'm well happy that Colesy is involved but Paul you said it - 

> don't patronise us!

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> N

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> On 19 September 2011 12:20, Paul Rangecroft <paul.rangecroft at gmail.com> wrote:

> I expect the album will be released even if the don't reach the target because it sounds like Geordie has put a lot of effort into producing it already. Plus Colesy has been helping with the artwork. It's probably just a way of getting some money in advance.

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> I haven't made my mind up fully but I think I quite like the concept. Although Killing Joke aren't a small band like some who genuinely couldn't afford to release an album unless they reached the pledge amount, for which the system was presumably devised for in the first place, they don't sell huge quantities either and they do have a very loyal core following so it makes a bit of sense to me. I wish they wouldn't patronise us by saying they want the fans to get more involved, though.

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> In general I get them impression that the current trend is for well-established bands to use the internet to target their long-term fans who buy everything they do rather than gamble and spend money on promotion.

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> I didn't like the title at first and thought it sounded like a Jimmy Nail album, but it has grown on me. I suspect Geordie is behind it, as IIRC he doesn't care for those Jaz Coleman tombstone titles. Do we really need another one of those?

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> On Mon, Sep 19, 2011 at 9:59 AM, Neil Perry <65snoopy at gmail.com> wrote:

> My monday-morning brain is befuddled by this pledge business - isn't this

> just a shop selling autographed stuff?

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> If the pledge amount isn't reached, does this mean the LP won't be released?

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> I want the double vinyl but don't need it to be autographed - is this LP going

> to be available in the shops or is this the only place to get one?

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> Yours, confused

> N

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> On 17 September 2011 11:34, fatpotanga <fatpotanga at gmail.com> wrote:

> anyone know who did the artwork for this...?

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> been reading up on the whole pledge music thing.

> makes sense.

> It's like Jaz' commenting on Trent Reznor doing a self release.

> I see the mighty Fishbone are on there too.

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