[kj] Lecture last night

bongo humanhybrid666 at gmail.com
Tue Jun 23 18:27:03 EDT 2015 

i wont say i believe in them, but i would not put it passed The Powers That
Be to fuck around with geo-engineering...
in fact, i would not put it passed them to simply fuck around with things
they have little understanding of. so, to say it is all a load of bollox i
think is overly simplistic. these cunts have huge budgets and no morals.
and like doing stuff... ... ...
i would be VERY surprised if they haven't at least attempted spraying shit
in the atmosphere.



"due to a lack of trained trumpeters, the end of the world has been
postponed indefinitely..."

On Tue, Jun 23, 2015 at 11:29 PM, jpwhkj--- via Gathering <
gathering at misera.net> wrote:

> Yep, the Extremities gigs were exceptional... in part because the first
> gulf war was just starting, and Killing Joke sounded relevant.
>
>  Maybe if you believe in chem-trails they still do.  Anyone?
>
>  Jamie
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: adrianwason <adrianwason at btinternet.com>
> To: A list about all things Killing Joke \\(the band!\\) <
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> Subject: Re: [kj] Lecture last night
>
>   during the EDAVRE tour, those gigs were as tense as fuck and the lyrics
> meaningful,
> that's why those gigs will always be special, there have been some one off
> brilliant gigs since such as Subterreania 94 Underworld 2003,Astoria
> 2005,but they still didn't t have the vibe of the early gigs on that tour
>
> ----Original message----
> From : npscott at blueyonder.co.uk
> Date : 22/06/2015 - 14:32 (GMTDT)
> To : gathering at misera.net
> Subject : Re: [kj] Lecture last night
>
>  The only time I have seen and took Jaz seriously was during the EDAVRE
> tour, those gigs were as tense as fuck and the lyrics meaningful, and you
> could see Jaz and the rest of the band truly meant it onstage.
>
>  First outing tour of Pandemonium pre-album release in the UK when I saw
> Jaz in his Jesters garb I laughed out loud, since then his stage antics
> have been nothing but repetitive B movie style antics and he amuses me.
>
>
>
>  On 22 June 2015 at 14:05, Rob Moss <rob.moss at gmx.com> wrote:
>
>>  I like Jaz a great deal. I like his intelligence and his passion and I
>> think he is the sort of charismatic individual that could quite easily
>> start a cult. He does already have a cult following really. And that's why
>> I am always wary of him and have never been a "follower".
>>
>>  I'm wary of all people like him whether they are musicians,
>> politicians, business leaders, religious sorts. Entertaining. At a
>> distance!!
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On 22 Jun 2015, at 13:23, jpwhkj--- via Gathering < gathering at misera.net>
>> wrote:
>>
>>   I took him very seriously when I was 17 or so - quite a while ago,
>> admittedly ;-)
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>  -----Original Message-----
>> From: Rob Moss < rob.moss at gmx.com>
>> To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!) <
>> gathering at misera.net>
>> CC: jpwhkj < jpwhkj at aol.com>
>> Sent: Mon, 22 Jun 2015 13:14
>> Subject: Re: [kj] Lecture last night
>>
>>   As do most people as they get older!
>>
>>  I've never taken Jaz too serioulsly and not about to start now!
>>
>>
>>
>> On 22 Jun 2015, at 12:16, jpwhkj--- via Gathering < gathering at misera.net>
>> wrote:
>>
>>   " among a whole pack of very dumb conspiracies"
>>
>>   You've just summed up the last 15 years of KJ lyrics.
>>
>>   <sigh>
>>
>>   Once upon a time, KJ lyrics were brief, mysterious, and, er,
>> interesting.  They've gradually morphed into verbose billboard-sized
>> tediousness.
>>
>>   Jamie
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>  -----Original Message-----
>> From: Neil Perry < 65snoopy at gmail.com>
>> To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!) <
>> gathering at misera.net>
>> Sent: Mon, 22 Jun 2015 10:27
>> Subject: Re: [kj] Lecture last night
>>
>>          Thanks for that.
>>  I think you'll agree (best read in a Marge Simpson-talking-to-Homer
>> voice) that we've put up with
>>  a lot during our 30+ year relationship with this band. For a large part
>> of it, Jaz's beliefs have shaped
>>  the band and their output, and this never detracted from my enjoyment
>> because I was never
>>  being asked to accept those beliefs as fact. Jaz has spent a lifetime
>> researching and practising
>>  various esoteric and mystical interests that, generally, added to the
>> vibe of the music, and I
>>  was happy to accept it all as part of overall KJ experience.
>>
>>  However, his recent lurch into full-on conspiracy theory mode I find...
>> what's a polite word...
>>  irritating, and to hear he's gone down the chemtrail route is
>> particularly irksome.
>>  The chemtrail theory is one of the dumbest among a whole pack of very
>> dumb conspiracies...
>>  it is so rediculous that I can only rationalise it by thinking that this
>> is some sort of multi-layered
>>  joke from Jaz, because I cannot accept that he actually thinks this has
>> any basis in reality.
>>  'Chemtrails' are condensation trails - that is why the real name is
>> 'contrails' - and are formed when
>>  plane engines spew out water vapour, which crystallize into ice in the
>> cold air. This is what those
>>  trails are - clouds of ice. That is why they hang there, and slowly
>> dissipate (and note, contrary to
>>  the conspiracy claims, they do just hang there, achieving nothing - if
>> something was being sprayed, wouldn't the
>>  sprayers want the substance to reach the ground?)
>>  Just think about it: The entire commercial airline industry - because
>> every single jet plane in existence produces these trails - is working
>>  for their respective governments/the NWO, to spray something on the
>> planet. And not one person, among the millions who
>>  work in the airline industry, including hundreds of thousands of trained
>> pilots, who presumably have to
>> do the spraying, has ever blown the whistle, or even asked, Excuse me,
>> what's this stuff coming out of my plane?
>>
>>  OK, sorry, rant over. This is not mystical or esoteric, it is idiocy of
>> the highest order and it just drives me fecking mad.
>>
>>  On 18 June 2015 at 13:50, nicholas fitzpatrick <gasw30 at hotmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>>   So, last night then.
>>>
>>>  First off, two items of news. Jaz and Geordie want to take 100
>>> Gatherers to India at some point (October next year, I think) to complete a
>>> several-day pilgrimage around a holy mountain visiting various temples. I
>>> forget the name of the pilgrimage, but it is a well-established Hindu
>>> pilgrimage that takes place around a full moon.
>>>
>>>  “If you’re on the dole and can’t afford it, we’ll just find a way for
>>> you to go”.
>>>
>>>  Jaz said that him and Geordie wanted to act as “mentors” to the 100 to
>>> help them identify their inner genius. The idea is, IIRC, to then meet at
>>> the next full moon in the UK, and then again a year later to see how much
>>> life has changed.
>>>
>>>  Second item of news, is that Jaz plans to do more lectures around the
>>> country between tour dates.
>>>
>>>  The whole activity appears aimed at, as I say, helping those who want
>>> to, to identify their inner genius.
>>>
>>>  Last night was a game of two halves. The first half was about the New
>>> World Order and the various conspiracy-theory spokes that come out of that
>>> topic. So we heard that the 100-year-old Rockefeller is at the centre of
>>> the NWO and wants to finish his project before he dies. And we heard about
>>> FEMA camps, about vapour trails dropping nano worms, control of population
>>> through food supply, and fluoride in the water….
>>>
>>>  Frankly it was a bit of a ramble so a bit hard for me to put something
>>> down coherently about it. Perhaps others could do a better job.
>>>
>>>  Although it was moderately engaging in places, when the break came and
>>> I turned around to see that my two pals (who aren’t fans) had left early; I
>>> wasn’t surprised. You had to be very sympathetic to Jaz to sit through
>>> non-sourced and surely in some cases wildly exaggerated claims.
>>>
>>>  For example, he spoke of a US senator who did or found something out
>>> (can’t remember what it was but it was alarming), but he didn’t name the
>>> senator so how can that be verified? Why wouldn’t you name the senator? It
>>> just wreaks of pseudo-academic research.
>>>
>>>  Another example, this time of exaggeration: he mentioned that a member
>>> of KJ was close to Rockefeller and, by implication, has some great
>>> looking-hole into the whole conspiracy shebang.
>>>
>>>  Obviously he’s referring to BPF here… but c’mon, are we seriously
>>> expected to believe that BPF and Rockefeller are tight? Are we supposed to
>>> believe that Rockefeller, who knows presidents, prime ministers,
>>> celebrities and the other four people that run the universe, suddenly, in
>>> the very final years of his life, as he’s getting towards 100 and going to
>>> die, thinks to himself, ‘I know, I’m going to become really close to that
>>> guy there, the one who plays drums in a band. He once dusted down the toes
>>> of an ancient Buddha sculpture for my Foundation, where he works part-time
>>> along with 14,000 other people who I also don’t know. I’m going to let this
>>> guy into my inner sanctum and I’m going to tell him everything.’
>>>
>>>  Course he didn’t do that. Course he f-ing didn’t.
>>>
>>>  The second half I suppose dwelt a bit more on the spiritual, though
>>> again it’s a bit hard to sum it up as the road he steered through this
>>> topic had many turns, junctions, and needed resurfacing in places.
>>>
>>>  He ended though with a very nice reading and seemed moved as he left
>>> the stage quickly.
>>>
>>>  Forgive my somewhat negative review. I’m sure there’s lots I‘ve
>>> missed. It was as always a great privilege to sit in with Coleman and I
>>> think it’s great that he does these things.
>>>
>>>  He was in a friendly, relaxed mood and there were many flashes of
>>> humour.
>>>
>>>  About 5/10 for content.
>>>
>>>  8/10 for delivery.
>>>
>>>
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