[kj] Lecture last night

Wed Jun 24 04:17:02 EDT 2015

But they breath the same air. Why would they do that to themselves?

On 6/23/15, bongo <humanhybrid666 at gmail.com> wrote:
> i wont say i believe in them, but i would not put it passed The Powers That
> Be to fuck around with geo-engineering...
> in fact, i would not put it passed them to simply fuck around with things
> they have little understanding of. so, to say it is all a load of bollox i
> think is overly simplistic. these cunts have huge budgets and no morals.
> and like doing stuff... ... ...
> i would be VERY surprised if they haven't at least attempted spraying shit
> in the atmosphere.
>
>
>
> "due to a lack of trained trumpeters, the end of the world has been
> postponed indefinitely..."
>
> On Tue, Jun 23, 2015 at 11:29 PM, jpwhkj--- via Gathering <
> gathering at misera.net> wrote:
>
>> Yep, the Extremities gigs were exceptional... in part because the first
>> gulf war was just starting, and Killing Joke sounded relevant.
>>
>>  Maybe if you believe in chem-trails they still do.  Anyone?
>>
>>  Jamie
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: adrianwason <adrianwason at btinternet.com>
>> To: A list about all things Killing Joke \\(the band!\\) <
>> gathering at misera.net>
>> Sent: Tue, 23 Jun 2015 5:46
>> Subject: Re: [kj] Lecture last night
>>
>>   during the EDAVRE tour, those gigs were as tense as fuck and the lyrics
>> meaningful,
>> that's why those gigs will always be special, there have been some one
>> off
>> brilliant gigs since such as Subterreania 94 Underworld 2003,Astoria
>> 2005,but they still didn't t have the vibe of the early gigs on that tour
>>
>> ----Original message----
>> From : npscott at blueyonder.co.uk
>> Date : 22/06/2015 - 14:32 (GMTDT)
>> To : gathering at misera.net
>> Subject : Re: [kj] Lecture last night
>>
>>  The only time I have seen and took Jaz seriously was during the EDAVRE
>> tour, those gigs were as tense as fuck and the lyrics meaningful, and you
>> could see Jaz and the rest of the band truly meant it onstage.
>>
>>  First outing tour of Pandemonium pre-album release in the UK when I saw
>> Jaz in his Jesters garb I laughed out loud, since then his stage antics
>> have been nothing but repetitive B movie style antics and he amuses me.
>>
>>
>>
>>  On 22 June 2015 at 14:05, Rob Moss <rob.moss at gmx.com> wrote:
>>
>>>  I like Jaz a great deal. I like his intelligence and his passion and I
>>> think he is the sort of charismatic individual that could quite easily
>>> start a cult. He does already have a cult following really. And that's
>>> why
>>> I am always wary of him and have never been a "follower".
>>>
>>>  I'm wary of all people like him whether they are musicians,
>>> politicians, business leaders, religious sorts. Entertaining. At a
>>> distance!!
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 22 Jun 2015, at 13:23, jpwhkj--- via Gathering <
>>> gathering at misera.net>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>   I took him very seriously when I was 17 or so - quite a while ago,
>>> admittedly ;-)
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>  -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Rob Moss < rob.moss at gmx.com>
>>> To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!) <
>>> gathering at misera.net>
>>> CC: jpwhkj < jpwhkj at aol.com>
>>> Sent: Mon, 22 Jun 2015 13:14
>>> Subject: Re: [kj] Lecture last night
>>>
>>>   As do most people as they get older!
>>>
>>>  I've never taken Jaz too serioulsly and not about to start now!
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 22 Jun 2015, at 12:16, jpwhkj--- via Gathering <
>>> gathering at misera.net>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>   " among a whole pack of very dumb conspiracies"
>>>
>>>   You've just summed up the last 15 years of KJ lyrics.
>>>
>>>   <sigh>
>>>
>>>   Once upon a time, KJ lyrics were brief, mysterious, and, er,
>>> interesting.  They've gradually morphed into verbose billboard-sized
>>> tediousness.
>>>
>>>   Jamie
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>  -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Neil Perry < 65snoopy at gmail.com>
>>> To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!) <
>>> gathering at misera.net>
>>> Sent: Mon, 22 Jun 2015 10:27
>>> Subject: Re: [kj] Lecture last night
>>>
>>>          Thanks for that.
>>>  I think you'll agree (best read in a Marge Simpson-talking-to-Homer
>>> voice) that we've put up with
>>>  a lot during our 30+ year relationship with this band. For a large part
>>> of it, Jaz's beliefs have shaped
>>>  the band and their output, and this never detracted from my enjoyment
>>> because I was never
>>>  being asked to accept those beliefs as fact. Jaz has spent a lifetime
>>> researching and practising
>>>  various esoteric and mystical interests that, generally, added to the
>>> vibe of the music, and I
>>>  was happy to accept it all as part of overall KJ experience.
>>>
>>>  However, his recent lurch into full-on conspiracy theory mode I find...
>>> what's a polite word...
>>>  irritating, and to hear he's gone down the chemtrail route is
>>> particularly irksome.
>>>  The chemtrail theory is one of the dumbest among a whole pack of very
>>> dumb conspiracies...
>>>  it is so rediculous that I can only rationalise it by thinking that
>>> this
>>> is some sort of multi-layered
>>>  joke from Jaz, because I cannot accept that he actually thinks this has
>>> any basis in reality.
>>>  'Chemtrails' are condensation trails - that is why the real name is
>>> 'contrails' - and are formed when
>>>  plane engines spew out water vapour, which crystallize into ice in the
>>> cold air. This is what those
>>>  trails are - clouds of ice. That is why they hang there, and slowly
>>> dissipate (and note, contrary to
>>>  the conspiracy claims, they do just hang there, achieving nothing - if
>>> something was being sprayed, wouldn't the
>>>  sprayers want the substance to reach the ground?)
>>>  Just think about it: The entire commercial airline industry - because
>>> every single jet plane in existence produces these trails - is working
>>>  for their respective governments/the NWO, to spray something on the
>>> planet. And not one person, among the millions who
>>>  work in the airline industry, including hundreds of thousands of
>>> trained
>>> pilots, who presumably have to
>>> do the spraying, has ever blown the whistle, or even asked, Excuse me,
>>> what's this stuff coming out of my plane?
>>>
>>>  OK, sorry, rant over. This is not mystical or esoteric, it is idiocy of
>>> the highest order and it just drives me fecking mad.
>>>
>>>  On 18 June 2015 at 13:50, nicholas fitzpatrick <gasw30 at hotmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>>   So, last night then.
>>>>
>>>>  First off, two items of news. Jaz and Geordie want to take 100
>>>> Gatherers to India at some point (October next year, I think) to
>>>> complete a
>>>> several-day pilgrimage around a holy mountain visiting various temples.
>>>> I
>>>> forget the name of the pilgrimage, but it is a well-established Hindu
>>>> pilgrimage that takes place around a full moon.
>>>>
>>>>  “If you’re on the dole and can’t afford it, we’ll just find a way for
>>>> you to go”.
>>>>
>>>>  Jaz said that him and Geordie wanted to act as “mentors” to the 100 to
>>>> help them identify their inner genius. The idea is, IIRC, to then meet
>>>> at
>>>> the next full moon in the UK, and then again a year later to see how
>>>> much
>>>> life has changed.
>>>>
>>>>  Second item of news, is that Jaz plans to do more lectures around the
>>>> country between tour dates.
>>>>
>>>>  The whole activity appears aimed at, as I say, helping those who want
>>>> to, to identify their inner genius.
>>>>
>>>>  Last night was a game of two halves. The first half was about the New
>>>> World Order and the various conspiracy-theory spokes that come out of
>>>> that
>>>> topic. So we heard that the 100-year-old Rockefeller is at the centre
>>>> of
>>>> the NWO and wants to finish his project before he dies. And we heard
>>>> about
>>>> FEMA camps, about vapour trails dropping nano worms, control of
>>>> population
>>>> through food supply, and fluoride in the water….
>>>>
>>>>  Frankly it was a bit of a ramble so a bit hard for me to put something
>>>> down coherently about it. Perhaps others could do a better job.
>>>>
>>>>  Although it was moderately engaging in places, when the break came and
>>>> I turned around to see that my two pals (who aren’t fans) had left
>>>> early; I
>>>> wasn’t surprised. You had to be very sympathetic to Jaz to sit through
>>>> non-sourced and surely in some cases wildly exaggerated claims.
>>>>
>>>>  For example, he spoke of a US senator who did or found something out
>>>> (can’t remember what it was but it was alarming), but he didn’t name
>>>> the
>>>> senator so how can that be verified? Why wouldn’t you name the senator?
>>>> It
>>>> just wreaks of pseudo-academic research.
>>>>
>>>>  Another example, this time of exaggeration: he mentioned that a member
>>>> of KJ was close to Rockefeller and, by implication, has some great
>>>> looking-hole into the whole conspiracy shebang.
>>>>
>>>>  Obviously he’s referring to BPF here… but c’mon, are we seriously
>>>> expected to believe that BPF and Rockefeller are tight? Are we supposed
>>>> to
>>>> believe that Rockefeller, who knows presidents, prime ministers,
>>>> celebrities and the other four people that run the universe, suddenly,
>>>> in
>>>> the very final years of his life, as he’s getting towards 100 and going
>>>> to
>>>> die, thinks to himself, ‘I know, I’m going to become really close to
>>>> that
>>>> guy there, the one who plays drums in a band. He once dusted down the
>>>> toes
>>>> of an ancient Buddha sculpture for my Foundation, where he works
>>>> part-time
>>>> along with 14,000 other people who I also don’t know. I’m going to let
>>>> this
>>>> guy into my inner sanctum and I’m going to tell him everything.’
>>>>
>>>>  Course he didn’t do that. Course he f-ing didn’t.
>>>>
>>>>  The second half I suppose dwelt a bit more on the spiritual, though
>>>> again it’s a bit hard to sum it up as the road he steered through this
>>>> topic had many turns, junctions, and needed resurfacing in places.
>>>>
>>>>  He ended though with a very nice reading and seemed moved as he left
>>>> the stage quickly.
>>>>
>>>>  Forgive my somewhat negative review. I’m sure there’s lots I‘ve
>>>> missed. It was as always a great privilege to sit in with Coleman and I
>>>> think it’s great that he does these things.
>>>>
>>>>  He was in a friendly, relaxed mood and there were many flashes of
>>>> humour.
>>>>
>>>>  About 5/10 for content.
>>>>
>>>>  8/10 for delivery.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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