[kj] Ha

Wed Oct 25 14:53:33 EDT 2017

I don't personally find it odd they did not do a studio version.  Clearly they
were batting around ideas with their new bassist during touring and it most
certainly is not the only time a KJ song has been scrapped. :) 

Looking closer to the Larry's Hideaway gig in Toronto that HA was recorded from
on the 9th August 1982 of which unfortunately there is no full setlist detailed,
the closest gig with full listing to that was on the 7th August 1982 at Clutch
Cargo,  Detroit.   I would reckon the setlist would be nearly if not all exactly
the same.....

The Hum
The Fall of Because
Pssyche
Chop-Chop
The Pandys Are Coming
Take Take Take
Sun Goes Down
We Have Joy
Empire Song
Change
Bloodsport
Complications
Wardance

> On 25 October 2017 at 19:40 Paul Rangecroft <paul.rangecroft at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> 
> I wasn't suggesting that was the only time they ever played it, but it
> seems odd that they never did a studio version. It's possible I'm
> being too cynical, though - I'll give them the benefit of the doubt.
> 
> Now that's a proper set list! What a tragedy there was a technical
> problem, it was obviously a blistering performance.
> 
> Jamie: were you pronouncing it to rhyme with "car" - all posh like?!
> If so I think maybe you deserved their contempt!
> 
> On 10/25/17, Nick Scott via Gathering <gathering at misera.net> wrote:
> > That is a very cynical viewpoint of E'G ;), no such tactics "Take Take Take"
> > was
> > part of their repertoire circa 1982, a quick look on setlist.fm confirms
> > that.
> >
> > The latter half of 1982 with a few gigs in the US and Canada then back to
> > the UK
> > shows them including a few songs from 'Fire Dances' recorded in
> > February-March
> > 1983.
> >
> > I can assume that with the newly assigned Raven on bass they were in the
> > process
> > of writing and trying out songs for the forthcoming album, "Take Take Take"
> > is
> > one that hit the cutting room floor.  Seeing that "Ha" was rushed out in
> > November 1982 and as you say the recording machine broke if anything is
> > cynical
> > it is E'G cashing in on what few tracks they had.
> >
> > I have always noticed very much a similarity in tone but amended chord
> > progression and tempo between the guitar riff of "Good Samaritan" and "Take
> > Take
> > Take".
> >
> > Maybe "Take Take Take" was considered alongside "Sun Goes Down" as a B Side
> > for
> > "Birds Of A Feather", who knows, although a studio version does not look
> > likely,
> > I am sure with remasters etc we would have heard it by now.
> >
> > This is a setlist from Glasgow on 26th October 1982, same setlist on 27th
> > October 1982 in Manchester.
> >
> > 1. The Hum
> > https://www.setlist.fm/stats/songs/killing-joke-63d692c3.html?song=The+Hum
> > 2. The Fall of Because
> > https://www.setlist.fm/stats/songs/killing-joke-63d692c3.html?song=The+Fall+of+Because
> > 3. Pssyche
> > https://www.setlist.fm/stats/songs/killing-joke-63d692c3.html?song=Pssyche
> > 4. Sun Goes Down
> > https://www.setlist.fm/stats/songs/killing-joke-63d692c3.html?song=Sun+Goes+Down
> > 5. The Pandys Are Coming
> > https://www.setlist.fm/stats/songs/killing-joke-63d692c3.html?song=The+Pandys+Are+Coming
> > 6. We Have Joy
> > https://www.setlist.fm/stats/songs/killing-joke-63d692c3.html?song=We+Have+Joy
> > 7. The Gathering
> > https://www.setlist.fm/stats/songs/killing-joke-63d692c3.html?song=The+Gathering
> > 8. Take Take Take
> > https://www.setlist.fm/stats/songs/killing-joke-63d692c3.html?song=Take+Take+Take
> > 9. Empire Song
> > https://www.setlist.fm/stats/songs/killing-joke-63d692c3.html?song=Empire+Song
> > 10. Change
> > https://www.setlist.fm/stats/songs/killing-joke-63d692c3.html?song=Change
> > 11. Chop-Chop
> > https://www.setlist.fm/stats/songs/killing-joke-63d692c3.html?song=Chop-Chop
> > 12. Lust Almighty
> > https://www.setlist.fm/stats/songs/killing-joke-63d692c3.html?song=Lust+Almighty
> > 13. Tension
> > https://www.setlist.fm/stats/songs/killing-joke-63d692c3.html?song=Tension
> > 14. Bloodsport
> > https://www.setlist.fm/stats/songs/killing-joke-63d692c3.html?song=Bloodsport
> > 15. Wardance
> > https://www.setlist.fm/stats/songs/killing-joke-63d692c3.html?song=Wardance
> > 16. Birds of a Feather
> > https://www.setlist.fm/stats/songs/killing-joke-63d692c3.html?song=Birds+of+a+Feather
> >
> >
> >
> >>
> >>     On 23 October 2017 at 21:56 Paul Rangecroft
> >> <paul.rangecroft at gmail.com>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>     There are bootlegs out there of other songs recorded at the same gig
> >>     (actually two nights?) including Birds of a Feather, I think. Yes,
> >>     apparently the recording machine broke because someone (Conny Plank?)
> >>     used tape that was too heavy. There answer is in The Gathering
> >>     archives somewhere. Mike Coles was reading some posts out to Geordie
> >>     and he commented on this.
> >>
> >>     I always assumed Take Take Take was deliberately left off everything
> >>     else simply to increase sales of Ha!. KJ were never above such
> >>     tactics, particularly in the E'G years.
> >>
> >>     On 10/23/17, Neil Perry <65snoopy at gmail.com> wrote:
> >>     > Ah I see, thanks. Always liked TTT - one of Geordie's weirdest
> >> riffs,
> >>     > always wanted to hear a beefy studio version.
> >>     > Never too late, eh...
> >>     >
> >>     > On 23 October 2017 at 14:47, Rob Moss <rob.moss at gmx.com> wrote:
> >>     >
> >>     >> I think more was recorded but the story I recall is that there was
> >> a
> >>     >> malfunction so this was all they could use. Certainly nothing in
> >> the
> >>     >> vaults
> >>     >> when I had access to them.
> >>     >>
> >>     >> TTT. No idea! Not really the greatest of songs so maybe they
> >> didn’t
> >>     >> bother
> >>     >> with studio time. Shame really for documentation....
> >>     >>
> >>     >> > On 23 Oct 2017, at 13:33, Neil Perry <65snoopy at gmail.com> wrote:
> >>     >> >
> >>     >> > I'm sure these questions have been covered before but what with
> >>     >> > the failing memory these days, I'll bring them up again.
> >>     >> > Anyone know whether there were more songs recorded at the Ha
> >> gig,
> >>     >> > or was this in fact the whole gig? If there were more songs, why
> >> have
> >>     >> > we not heard them?
> >>     >> >
> >>     >> > and
> >>     >> >
> >>     >> > Take Take Take - what is the story behind this song? Why was it
> >> never
> >>     >> > on a studio recording, and was it ever played any other time
> >> apart
> >>     >> > from
> >>     >> > on this tour? Has Jaz or anyone from the band ever spoken about
> >> this
> >>     >> song?
> >>     >> >
> >>     >> > These things still bug me, 35 years on.
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