[kj] Ha

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My thoughts exactly.


Don't think I ever heard Birds of a Feather live.  Would have been great...



-----Original Message-----
From: Neil Perry <65snoopy at gmail.com>
To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!) <gathering at misera.net>
Sent: Wed, 25 Oct 2017 16:26
Subject: Re: [kj] Ha



That setlist makes me want to get down the front and go nuts. What a gig!



On 25 October 2017 at 10:41, Nick Scott via Gathering <gathering at misera.net> wrote:

     
That is a very cynical viewpoint of E'G ;), no such tactics "Take Take Take" was part of their repertoire circa 1982, a quick look on setlist.fm confirms that. 
The latter half of 1982 with a few gigs in the US and Canada then back to the UK shows them including a few songs from 'Fire Dances' recorded in February-March 1983.   

I can assume that with the newly assigned Raven on bass they were in the process of writing and trying out songs for the forthcoming album, "Take Take Take" is one that hit the cutting room floor.  Seeing that "Ha" was rushed out in November 1982 and as you say the recording machine broke if anything is cynical it is E'G cashing in on what few tracks they had.
I have always noticed very much a similarity in tone but amended chord progression and tempo between the guitar riff of "Good Samaritan" and "Take Take Take".  
Maybe "Take Take Take" was considered alongside "Sun Goes Down" as a B Side for "Birds Of A Feather", who knows, although a studio version does not look likely, I am sure with remasters etc we would have heard it by now.
This is a setlist from Glasgow on 26th October 1982, same setlist on 27th October 1982 in Manchester.

The Hum
The Fall of Because
Pssyche
Sun Goes Down
The Pandys Are Coming
We Have Joy
The Gathering
Take Take Take
Empire Song
Change
Chop-Chop
Lust Almighty
Tension
Bloodsport
Wardance
Birds of a Feather







On 23 October 2017 at 21:56 Paul Rangecroft <paul.rangecroft at gmail.com> wrote:


There are bootlegs out there of other songs recorded at the same gig
(actually two nights?) including Birds of a Feather, I think. Yes,
apparently the recording machine broke because someone (Conny Plank?)
used tape that was too heavy. There answer is in The Gathering
archives somewhere. Mike Coles was reading some posts out to Geordie
and he commented on this.

I always assumed Take Take Take was deliberately left off everything
else simply to increase sales of Ha!. KJ were never above such
tactics, particularly in the E'G years.

On 10/23/17, Neil Perry <65snoopy at gmail.com> wrote:
> Ah I see, thanks. Always liked TTT - one of Geordie's weirdest riffs,
> always wanted to hear a beefy studio version.
> Never too late, eh...
>
> On 23 October 2017 at 14:47, Rob Moss <rob.moss at gmx.com> wrote:
>
>> I think more was recorded but the story I recall is that there was a
>> malfunction so this was all they could use. Certainly nothing in the
>> vaults
>> when I had access to them.
>>
>> TTT. No idea! Not really the greatest of songs so maybe they didn’t
>> bother
>> with studio time. Shame really for documentation....
>>
>> > On 23 Oct 2017, at 13:33, Neil Perry <65snoopy at gmail.com> wrote:
>> >
>> > I'm sure these questions have been covered before but what with
>> > the failing memory these days, I'll bring them up again.
>> > Anyone know whether there were more songs recorded at the Ha gig,
>> > or was this in fact the whole gig? If there were more songs, why have
>> > we not heard them?
>> >
>> > and
>> >
>> > Take Take Take - what is the story behind this song? Why was it never
>> > on a studio recording, and was it ever played any other time apart from
>> > on this tour? Has Jaz or anyone from the band ever spoken about this
>> song?
>> >
>> > These things still bug me, 35 years on.
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