[kj] Ha
Nick Scott
npscott at blueyonder.co.uk
Wed Oct 25 11:46:52 EDT 2017
Hell yeah, looked like a right stomp of a set, Big Paul must have been
knackered.
> On 25 October 2017 at 16:18 Neil Perry <65snoopy at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> That setlist makes me want to get down the front and go nuts. What a gig!
>
> On 25 October 2017 at 10:41, Nick Scott via Gathering
> <gathering at misera.net mailto:gathering at misera.net > wrote:
>
> > >
> > That is a very cynical viewpoint of E'G ;), no such tactics "Take
> > Take Take" was part of their repertoire circa 1982, a quick look
> > onhttp://setlist.fm confirms that.
> >
> > The latter half of 1982 with a few gigs in the US and Canada then
> > back to the UK shows them including a few songs from 'Fire Dances' recorded
> > in February-March 1983.
> >
> > I can assume that with the newly assigned Raven on bass they were in
> > the process of writing and trying out songs for the forthcoming album, "Take
> > Take Take" is one that hit the cutting room floor. Seeing that "Ha" was
> > rushed out in November 1982 and as you say the recording machine broke if
> > anything is cynical it is E'G cashing in on what few tracks they had.
> >
> > I have always noticed very much a similarity in tone but amended
> > chord progression and tempo between the guitar riff of "Good Samaritan" and
> > "Take Take Take".
> >
> > Maybe "Take Take Take" was considered alongside "Sun Goes Down" as a
> > B Side for "Birds Of A Feather", who knows, although a studio version does
> > not look likely, I am sure with remasters etc we would have heard it by now.
> >
> > This is a setlist from Glasgow on 26th October 1982, same setlist on
> > 27th October 1982 in Manchester.
> >
> > 1. The Hum
> > https://www.setlist.fm/stats/songs/killing-joke-63d692c3.html?song=The+Hum
> > 2. The Fall of Because
> > https://www.setlist.fm/stats/songs/killing-joke-63d692c3.html?song=The+Fall+of+Because
> > 3. Pssyche
> > https://www.setlist.fm/stats/songs/killing-joke-63d692c3.html?song=Pssyche
> > 4. Sun Goes Down
> > https://www.setlist.fm/stats/songs/killing-joke-63d692c3.html?song=Sun+Goes+Down
> > 5. The Pandys Are Coming
> > https://www.setlist.fm/stats/songs/killing-joke-63d692c3.html?song=The+Pandys+Are+Coming
> > 6. We Have Joy
> > https://www.setlist.fm/stats/songs/killing-joke-63d692c3.html?song=We+Have+Joy
> > 7. The Gathering
> > https://www.setlist.fm/stats/songs/killing-joke-63d692c3.html?song=The+Gathering
> > 8. Take Take Take
> > https://www.setlist.fm/stats/songs/killing-joke-63d692c3.html?song=Take+Take+Take
> > 9. Empire Song
> > https://www.setlist.fm/stats/songs/killing-joke-63d692c3.html?song=Empire+Song
> > 10. Change
> > https://www.setlist.fm/stats/songs/killing-joke-63d692c3.html?song=Change
> > 11. Chop-Chop
> > https://www.setlist.fm/stats/songs/killing-joke-63d692c3.html?song=Chop-Chop
> > 12. Lust Almighty
> > https://www.setlist.fm/stats/songs/killing-joke-63d692c3.html?song=Lust+Almighty
> > 13. Tension
> > https://www.setlist.fm/stats/songs/killing-joke-63d692c3.html?song=Tension
> > 14. Bloodsport
> > https://www.setlist.fm/stats/songs/killing-joke-63d692c3.html?song=Bloodsport
> > 15. Wardance
> > https://www.setlist.fm/stats/songs/killing-joke-63d692c3.html?song=Wardance
> > 16. Birds of a Feather
> > https://www.setlist.fm/stats/songs/killing-joke-63d692c3.html?song=Birds+of+a+Feather
> >
> >
> >
> > > > >
> > > On 23 October 2017 at 21:56 Paul Rangecroft
> > > <paul.rangecroft at gmail.com mailto:paul.rangecroft at gmail.com > wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > There are bootlegs out there of other songs recorded at the
> > > same gig
> > > (actually two nights?) including Birds of a Feather, I think.
> > > Yes,
> > > apparently the recording machine broke because someone (Conny
> > > Plank?)
> > > used tape that was too heavy. There answer is in The Gathering
> > > archives somewhere. Mike Coles was reading some posts out to
> > > Geordie
> > > and he commented on this.
> > >
> > > I always assumed Take Take Take was deliberately left off
> > > everything
> > > else simply to increase sales of Ha!. KJ were never above such
> > > tactics, particularly in the E'G years.
> > >
> > > On 10/23/17, Neil Perry <65snoopy at gmail.com
> > > mailto:65snoopy at gmail.com > wrote:
> > > > Ah I see, thanks. Always liked TTT - one of Geordie's
> > > > weirdest riffs,
> > > > always wanted to hear a beefy studio version.
> > > > Never too late, eh...
> > > >
> > > > On 23 October 2017 at 14:47, Rob Moss <rob.moss at gmx.com
> > > > mailto:rob.moss at gmx.com > wrote:
> > > >
> > > >> I think more was recorded but the story I recall is that
> > > >> there was a
> > > >> malfunction so this was all they could use. Certainly
> > > >> nothing in the
> > > >> vaults
> > > >> when I had access to them.
> > > >>
> > > >> TTT. No idea! Not really the greatest of songs so maybe
> > > >> they didn’t
> > > >> bother
> > > >> with studio time. Shame really for documentation....
> > > >>
> > > >> > On 23 Oct 2017, at 13:33, Neil Perry <65snoopy at gmail.com
> > > >> > mailto:65snoopy at gmail.com > wrote:
> > > >> >
> > > >> > I'm sure these questions have been covered before but
> > > >> > what with
> > > >> > the failing memory these days, I'll bring them up again.
> > > >> > Anyone know whether there were more songs recorded at the
> > > >> > Ha gig,
> > > >> > or was this in fact the whole gig? If there were more
> > > >> > songs, why have
> > > >> > we not heard them?
> > > >> >
> > > >> > and
> > > >> >
> > > >> > Take Take Take - what is the story behind this song? Why
> > > >> > was it never
> > > >> > on a studio recording, and was it ever played any other
> > > >> > time apart from
> > > >> > on this tour? Has Jaz or anyone from the band ever spoken
> > > >> > about this
> > > >> song?
> > > >> >
> > > >> > These things still bug me, 35 years on.
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