[kj] Ha

Tue Oct 31 17:49:42 EDT 2017

I don't remember the support act.

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Subject: Re: [kj] Ha

Alas no Jim, I've muddled who/what/where/when. I do it a lot.

Was the Taif gig the one where the support got all despondent & kept saying how crap they were? They all played Firebirds and were actually pretty good. 

On 30 Oct 2017 7:16 p.m., "Jim Harper via Gathering" <gathering at misera.net> wrote:

I dimly remember Raven was supposed to have approached Jaz and Geordie and said that he wants back in the band because he can do it better so it's not unfeasible that he went to see that lineup first. Would he have asked to rejoin if he honestly thought Taif was doing an excellent job? I didn't know him very well but he never seemed to have that kind of ego.

Jim.

On Mon, 30/10/17, fatpotanga . <fatpotanga at gmail.com> wrote:

 Subject: Re: [kj] Ha
 To: "A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)" <gathering at misera.net>
 Date: Monday, 30 October, 2017, 19:55

 Ah, was that the
 Taif one. I definitely remember one there with Raven. Pre
 and post Extremities?I'm getting old and
 confused. Taif one was a great gig. I was at the
 front opposite him. Had no idea who he was, just remember a
 manic grin.At least I think I
 do...
 On 30 Oct 2017 6:39 p.m.,
 "jpwhkj--- via Gathering" <gathering at misera.net>
 wrote:
 Blimey, Raven was
 there?  I wonder what he made of Taif...

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 Subject: Re: [kj] Ha

 I was there - fantastic gig. I was stood watching the
 support right at the back near the bar, looked to my left
 and there was raven watching intently. Never occurred to me
 to speak to him.

 I think it was that one my that mum's car got
 stolen from. Id borrowed it  and parked on a really dodgy
 side street!

 I may be remembering it wrong but I think they played
 there a couple of times in fairly close succession.

 Shame the Internationals have gone, they were great
 venues.

 On Sun, 29 Oct 2017 at 17:19, jpwhkj--- via Gathering
 <gathering at misera.net>
 wrote:

 Can't remember the address, but Manchester
 International II, if memory serves.  Followed by the
 Kilburn Ballroom in London a couple of nights later.

 And yeah, it was feckin amazing.

 Nostalgic Jamie

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 Sent: Sun, 29 Oct 2017 15:13

 Subject: Re: [kj] Ha

 Jamie,

 Was the Manchester gig the one at the International on
 Plymouth Grove. Best KJ gig I've seen.

 Brian.

 On
 27 October 2017 at 09:58, jpwhkj--- via Gathering
 <gathering at misera.net>
 wrote:

 Not sure where it would go, but I'd find it a
 home ;-)  I know you love Extremities, but there are a few
 tracks that don't really do it for me.

 The two gigs in question were pretty mental anyway (the
 Manc one in particular featured an ongoing battle between
 two local gangs).  Basically, we'd all suffered our way
 through 1988 and Outside the Gate, and the Joke apparently
 imploding... and suddenly here they were, with a load of new
 tracks that stood up alongside the old material.  I for one
 was massively relieved!

 The Manc gig was also the scene of one of my favourite
 KJ moments.  Most of you have heard it before (probably
 several times) but I'll mention it briefly.

 I hitchhiked up to Manchester, and was lucky with my
 lifts so got there mid-afternoon.  I found the venue, and
 the doors were all open so I wondered in and found the Joke
 doing their soundcheck.  They played something as a band
 (Frenzy, perhaps?) and then Jaz came and stood at the back
 and listened while Geordie played Night Time on his own. 
 Jaz was obviously entranced, and so was I.  There were bits
 that I'd previously assumed were keyboards that were
 actually guitar.  Hearing Geordie on his own was
 incredible.

 Jamie

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 Subject: Re: [kj] Ha

 I
 love the Fanatic!

 Where would you place it on Extremities though?

 Never saw it live, I imagine it was mental!

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 From : rob.moss at gmx.com

 Date : 26/10/2017 - 11:29 (GMTDT)

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 Subject : Re: [kj] Ha

 Never got the Fanatic. I think it’s one they were
 right to keep back. Like Feast Of Fools I find. A bit
 generic. 

 I think their quality control

 Is pretty damn good on the whole. 

 On 26 Oct 2017, at 11:21, jpwhkj--- via Gathering <gathering at misera.net>
 wrote:

 In fact
 it's even pretty rare for them to play something and it
 not appear on an official studio release (other than
 retrospectives etc).  Only ones I've personally seen
 are the Fanatic (which I saw at those two UK gigs in spring
 89) and Timewave (London).  Always liked the Fanatic &
 couldn't understand why it didn't make the album - I
 think it's better than some of the tracks that did.

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 From: Paul Rangecroft <paul.rangecroft at gmail.com>

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 Sent: Wed, 25 Oct 2017 23:12

 Subject: Re: [kj] Ha

 No, I don't think so. Sorry if I caused confusion by
 appearing to

 suggest that. I was trying to illustrate how relatively rare
 it is for

 songs to be dropped (either entirely or from albums) at the
 live stage

 without any sort of studio version or demo. So far the only
 example

 anyone has been able to come up with (other than 'Take
 Take Take'

 obviously) is 'The Hive', which was a precursor. I
 guess there are

 also those very early crap ones like 'You're Being
 Followed'. I think

 there was an early live version of 'Solitude' that
 bore absolutely no

 relation to the album version too.

 On 10/25/17, T.B. <planetary at socal.rr.com>
 wrote:

 > 4 Stations Of The Sun has been performed live?

 >

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 > Rangecroft

 >

 > Yes, 'The Hive' never saw any kind of official
 release but it was a

 > precursor (to 'Harlequin'?). 'The
 Fanatic' has a studio version. So does

 > 'Sun Goes Down'. '4 Stations of the
 Sun' does too. Well, a demo, anyway. I

 > guess it's just a convenient coincidence that Ha!
 was released with an

 > exclusive track, fancy that.

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