[kj] Ha

Tue Oct 31 18:19:24 EDT 2017

Support bands are always a mixed bag. As far as KJ supports go, I really enjoyed Treponem Pal and loved The Crying Spell, but didn't much like the Icarus Line and Selfish C*nt were just ridiculous. I couldn't believe they'd actually bagged a Killing Joke support slot.

Outside of KJ, I quite enjoyed The Black Crowes opening for the Stones, but they had electrical problems and had to just jam for long periods. I saw Heaven's Basement supporting a Japanese band. Nowhere near as good as the main act, but not too horrible.

Jim.

On Tue, 31/10/17, jpwhkj--- via Gathering <gathering at misera.net> wrote:

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 Date: Tuesday, 31 October, 2017, 21:49

 I don't remember the support
 act.

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 Alas no Jim, I've muddled who/what/where/when. I do
 it a lot.

 Was the Taif gig the one where the support got all
 despondent & kept saying how crap they were? They all
 played Firebirds and were actually pretty good. 

 On 30 Oct 2017
 7:16 p.m., "Jim Harper via Gathering" <gathering at misera.net>
 wrote:

 I dimly remember Raven was supposed
 to have approached Jaz and Geordie and said that he wants
 back in the band because he can do it better so it's not
 unfeasible that he went to see that lineup first. Would he
 have asked to rejoin if he honestly thought Taif was doing
 an excellent job? I didn't know him very well but he
 never seemed to have that kind of ego.

 Jim.

 On Mon, 30/10/17, fatpotanga . <fatpotanga at gmail.com>
 wrote:

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  Date: Monday, 30 October, 2017, 19:55

  Ah, was that the

  Taif one. I definitely remember one there with Raven.
 Pre

  and post Extremities?I'm getting old and

  confused. Taif one was a great gig. I was at the

  front opposite him. Had no idea who he was, just remember
 a

  manic grin.At least I think I

  do...

  On 30 Oct 2017 6:39 p.m.,

  "jpwhkj--- via Gathering" <gathering at misera.net>

  wrote:

  Blimey, Raven was

  there?  I wonder what he made of Taif...

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  I was there - fantastic gig. I was stood watching the

  support right at the back near the bar, looked to my
 left

  and there was raven watching intently. Never occurred to
 me

  to speak to him.

  I think it was that one my that mum's car got

  stolen from. Id borrowed it  and parked on a really
 dodgy

  side street!

  I may be remembering it wrong but I think they played

  there a couple of times in fairly close succession.

  Shame the Internationals have gone, they were great

  venues.

  On Sun, 29 Oct 2017 at 17:19, jpwhkj--- via Gathering

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  wrote:

  Can't remember the address, but Manchester

  International II, if memory serves.  Followed by the

  Kilburn Ballroom in London a couple of nights later.

  And yeah, it was feckin amazing.

  Nostalgic Jamie

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  Jamie,

  Was the Manchester gig the one at the International on

  Plymouth Grove. Best KJ gig I've seen.

  Brian.

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  27 October 2017 at 09:58, jpwhkj--- via Gathering

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  wrote:

  Not sure where it would go, but I'd find it a

  home ;-)  I know you love Extremities, but there are a
 few

  tracks that don't really do it for me.

  The two gigs in question were pretty mental anyway (the

  Manc one in particular featured an ongoing battle
 between

  two local gangs).  Basically, we'd all suffered our
 way

  through 1988 and Outside the Gate, and the Joke
 apparently

  imploding... and suddenly here they were, with a load of
 new

  tracks that stood up alongside the old material.  I for
 one

  was massively relieved!

  The Manc gig was also the scene of one of my favourite

  KJ moments.  Most of you have heard it before
 (probably

  several times) but I'll mention it briefly.

  I hitchhiked up to Manchester, and was lucky with my

  lifts so got there mid-afternoon.  I found the venue,
 and

  the doors were all open so I wondered in and found the
 Joke

  doing their soundcheck.  They played something as a
 band

  (Frenzy, perhaps?) and then Jaz came and stood at the
 back

  and listened while Geordie played Night Time on his
 own. 

  Jaz was obviously entranced, and so was I.  There were
 bits

  that I'd previously assumed were keyboards that
 were

  actually guitar.  Hearing Geordie on his own was

  incredible.

  Jamie

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  I

  love the Fanatic!

  Where would you place it on Extremities though?

  Never saw it live, I imagine it was mental!

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  Never got the Fanatic. I think it’s one they were

  right to keep back. Like Feast Of Fools I find. A bit

  generic. 

  I think their quality control

  Is pretty damn good on the whole. 

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  wrote:

  In fact

  it's even pretty rare for them to play something and
 it

  not appear on an official studio release (other than

  retrospectives etc).  Only ones I've personally
 seen

  are the Fanatic (which I saw at those two UK gigs in
 spring

  89) and Timewave (London).  Always liked the Fanatic
 &

  couldn't understand why it didn't make the album -
 I

  think it's better than some of the tracks that did.

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  No, I don't think so. Sorry if I caused confusion
 by

  appearing to

  suggest that. I was trying to illustrate how relatively
 rare

  it is for

  songs to be dropped (either entirely or from albums) at
 the

  live stage

  without any sort of studio version or demo. So far the
 only

  example

  anyone has been able to come up with (other than
 'Take

  Take Take'

  obviously) is 'The Hive', which was a precursor.
 I

  guess there are

  also those very early crap ones like 'You're
 Being

  Followed'. I think

  there was an early live version of 'Solitude'
 that

  bore absolutely no

  relation to the album version too.

  On 10/25/17, T.B. <planetary at socal.rr.com>

  wrote:

  > 4 Stations Of The Sun has been performed live?

  >

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 Paul

  > Rangecroft

  >

  > Yes, 'The Hive' never saw any kind of
 official

  release but it was a

  > precursor (to 'Harlequin'?). 'The

  Fanatic' has a studio version. So does

  > 'Sun Goes Down'. '4 Stations of the

  Sun' does too. Well, a demo, anyway. I

  > guess it's just a convenient coincidence that
 Ha!

  was released with an

  > exclusive track, fancy that.

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