[kj] Trump

Mon Mar 4 18:21:43 EST 2019

Sure, is it alright if I just email you directly?

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From: Gathering <gathering-bounces at misera.net> on behalf of Neil Perry <65snoopy at gmail.com>
Sent: Friday, March 1, 2019 7:43 AM
To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)
Subject: Re: [kj] Trump

While it would indeed be fun to meet at a KJ gig that probably is never going to happen -
can't you just explain what it is you are talking about?

On Thu, 28 Feb 2019 at 17:34, Joe Cosenza <d_pin_the_c at hotmail.com<mailto:d_pin_the_c at hotmail.com>> wrote:
The MIC won't compromise National Security by disclosing 100%. If they do then they've already moved on waaay down the road. Some of their technology is years or even decades ahead of what the civilian sector has access to or even knows of.
The array that is in Alaska isn't the one that I'm referring to. I'm probably one of the only people who wears a Hawaiian t-shirt at a Killing Joke concert. I'll be easy to spot so just come up to me and I'll show you exactly what I'm talking about.

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From: Gathering <gathering-bounces at misera.net<mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net>> on behalf of Neil Perry <65snoopy at gmail.com<mailto:65snoopy at gmail.com>>
Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2019 4:44 PM
To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)
Subject: Re: [kj] Trump

Yes I have heard of the HAARP program. It was a research project set up to study the ionosphere, and partly to see whether
technology could be developed for use in radio communications - bouncing powerful radio signals off the lower ionosphere.

It was not - repeat not - set up to modify the weather, fry satellites in space, control minds etc etc. Because all that
stuff is frigging impossible.

However, because it was originally partly funded by the US military, the conspiracy theories just grew and grew.
The US military ended the HAARP program experiments in 2014. And what's more, nothing that was done
there was 'secret' - all research was openly available and published in scientific journals.
The facility is now owned by the University of Alaska, which held an open day for the public not so long ago.
The former HAARP antenna array is apparently available for hire to any researchers who want to use it.

On Wed, 27 Feb 2019 at 17:43, Joe Cosenza <d_pin_the_c at hotmail.com<mailto:d_pin_the_c at hotmail.com>> wrote:
Because that's EXACTLY what I said. Yeah, in a hidden room (the chair that Lincoln is sitting on at the memorial is actually hollow) and behind a curtain, like the Wizard of Oz, he pulls levers and turns dials all day to make it snow. He is SOOO busy doing this that he can't get up but there are little elves that come in and bring him a diet Coke and massage his feet when they are not busy baking the fucking cookies. Have none of you heard of HAARP?

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From: Gathering <gathering-bounces at misera.net<mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net>> on behalf of Neil Perry <65snoopy at gmail.com<mailto:65snoopy at gmail.com>>
Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2019 8:42 AM
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Subject: Re: [kj] Trump

:-)

Yes, until there is a permanent, 100-metre wide, 3,000-kilometre long hurricane along the
entire length of the border with Mexico, I refuse to believe it.

On Wed, 27 Feb 2019 at 13:39, Alexander Smith <vassifer at earthlink.net<mailto:vassifer at earthlink.net>> wrote:
Trump can barely control his own hair.

Alex in NYC

On Feb 27, 2019, at 7:32 AM, Neil Perry <65snoopy at gmail.com<mailto:65snoopy at gmail.com>> wrote:

So Trump is controlling the weather... how is he doing that, exactly?

On Mon, 25 Feb 2019 at 01:54, T.B. <planetary at socal.rr.com<mailto:planetary at socal.rr.com>> wrote:
I also didn't vote for Trump - or Clinton.  I thought both were shitty candidates and I couldn't in clear conscious cast a vote for either candidate. The first time I've ever left the Presidential selection empty.  Not that it matters, living in California I think something like 90%+ voted for Clinton.  I am supremely pissed off at the Republican party for have a great opportunity to address the issues with ObamaCare and totally blowing the chance.  As far as I'm concerned, both parties can kiss my chocky starfish.

I think Trump's turned out be every bit as lousy (certainly stupid) a President as expected, but I also think some decent things have happened on his watch.  Joe Cosenza brought up a few things in his reply.  Nobody can argue the economy is humming along even despite the China trade war.  I think he's shined a light on the horrible immigration (legal and illegal) situation in this country regardless of how silly his argument for a "wall" comes off.  I live in Southern California, I see firsthand how unregulated illegal immigration from Mexico is a drain on local resources.  The funny thing is, the Obama administration was actually more draconian in deporting aliens and was also a proponent of "building a wall" but that got nowhere near the attention Trump gets on the issue.

One of the things I don't see discussed much pro or con in regards to Trump's tenure, is how he has perhaps inadvertently (just by the way he does things) exposed just how fucked up and impotent the Federal government has become.  I also don't get how a lot of people that have fixated on Trump to the point he seems to dominate their every waking moment.  Sure, hate the guy but seriously, with some people it's pathological.  It has crept into every online forum I traffic in no matter how non-political some of those forums may be.  The whole deal with Jussie Smollett is a microcosm of what I'm talking about.   I think some people are going to jump off bridges when the Mueller investigation (finally) wraps and calls for anything less than Trumps' crucifixion.

I'm old enough to vividly remember the days of Nixon and Carter... a lot of shit people complain about right now is first world problems compared to some of the nonsense back in the early to late 70's.  Like those goofs, we'll all get through the Trump era.  The thing to be aware of, as we've been seeing every election cycle things and candidates seem to swing farther and farther to the extreme right and left.  I would not be surprised if we get an ultra-progressive Liberal like an Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez who is 180 degrees the flip side of Trump but equally stupid and potentially damaging to the country as POTUS within a decade.

Then again, the way our society is going, I wouldn't be surprised with Civil War and the US splitting up like the Soviet Union in the 90's in our lifetime.

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From: Gathering [mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net<mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net>] On Behalf Of jpwhkj--- via Gathering

Hi Joe,

Thanks for responding - interesting points.

One follow-up from me.  You say you didn't vote for him.  Did you vote at all (in the 2016 PE)?  And if so, who for (if you don't mind telling us)?  And crucially - why?

Cheers,

Jamie

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